Students Cheer Ward Churchill Speech

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http://www.nysun.com/article/44971

By ANNIE KARNI
Special to the Sun
December 12, 2006

An ethnic studies professor from the University of Colorado, Ward Churchill, received a standing ovation last night from a crowd of more than 200 New School students after blaming the 2001 World Trade Center attacks on America's support of Israel and its sanctions against Iraq in 1996.

In a two-hour speech at the New School titled "Sterilizing History: The Fabrication of Innocent Americans," delivered without notes, Mr. Churchill traced what he called a pattern of mass murder as American foreign policy from the time of the country's inception to the events of September 11, 2001, which he said the country was essentially asking for.

Mr. Churchill also called the president of the New School, Robert Kerrey, a former senator of Nebraska, a "mass murder and serial killer to boot" for having served in Thanh Phong, Vietnam. Mr. Churchill also served in Vietnam, an act for which he said he has spent the rest of his life apologizing.

Mr. Churchill received cheers from the audience for comparing Mr. Kerrey to the serial killer Charles Manson. "That's who you've got moral equivalency in the president's chair at this institution," Mr. Churchill said. "How about a cage rather than a president's suite?"

Mr. Churchill was invited to the New School by a student group, the Women of Color. The university was not involved in the invitation.

"We brought him here because he offers a framework in which we can conceptualize the struggles our community is dealing with," a junior at the New School, Jamila Thompson, said. "A person's work should be engaged critically, and his work allows us to build broad-based networks with Native Americans, Latinos, and anti-racist whites."

Mr. Churchill arrived on the national stage after September 11, 2001, when he wrote that many victims of the World Trade Center attacks were "little Eichmanns," comparing them to the Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann because they worked as technocrats of an evil empire.

While students yesterday jumped to his defense, arguing that his "little Eichmann" statement was taken out of context when it was publicized on Fox News, Mr. Churchill yesterday seemed happier to cultivate his image as a provocative figure than to defend himself.

"The only people who consider me controversial are little Eichmanns themselves," he said, again inciting peels of laughter from the audience of New School students.

While campus police were out in force and metal detectors were set up outside the auditorium for Mr. Churchill's appearance due to fear of a possible attack against the professor, the talk drew little protest from the student body.

Only one student group, the Free Thought Coalition, posted fliers on campus yesterday objecting to Mr. Churchill's appearance on campus. (help! his freedom is speech is being curtailed by papers taped to walls 400 feet away!)

Mr. Churchill's critics call him an ethnic fraud. His Native American ancestry has been called into question by some who think he is not of Native American descent, but is exploiting a culture that is not his own to propagate his politics.

"He exploits their culture and has never done anything for their groups," a documentary filmmaker, Grant Crowell, who is making a film on Mr. Churchill titled "Hate U: The Politics of Teaching Hate," said. "Someone like Ward Churchill totally manipulates academic position and identity politics." Mr. Churchill has also been accused of research misconduct.

He isn't controversial, his remarks are rather mainstream - he just says what many people think, including many of the intellectually diseased within the ivory towers. People like him are precisely why I value freedom of speech - I prefer these sentiments to be out in the open, rather than whispered behind closed doors. May his words be the nectar that draws the vermin out from under their rocks and into the harsh, unforgiving light.

[LatsMakeTheMan]

"Mr. Churchill arrived on the national stage after September 11, 2001, when he wrote that many victims of the World Trade Center attacks were "little Eichmanns," comparing them to the Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann because they worked as technocrats of an evil empire."

While I can see how someone might think of it this way, I disagree with this statement.

The majority of the people working in WTC were just normal people like you or me. People who get up and go to work every day because they need to earn a paycheck. It just so happened that their place of employment was located in a prime terrorist target. I don't think it's fair to accuse people of being part of some kind of evil empire, simply because they choose not to live their lives as crusaders for human rights.

[Fatso56]

blaming the 2001 World Trade Center attacks on America's support of Israel

Mr. Churchill traced what he called a pattern of mass murder as American foreign policy from the time of the country's inception to the events of September 11, 2001, which he said the country was essentially asking for.

These are pretty much the truth but it will of course be over shadowed by the more radical and contestable quotes in the article.

[Popsicle52]

i dont see a problem with comparing vietnam war veterans to murderers

vietnam never attacked us

we went over and attacked and KILLED them.

your next door neighor does nothing to you. you go next door with 5 friends to kill his family. he has guns and tries to defend himself. you kill all 5 of his family living there, and he manages to kill 1 of your team-to-go-next-door-and-kill-neighors-family members. whose the murderer?

[MattPL]

Originally Posted by iamGigantor

i dont see a problem with comparing vietnam war veterans to murderers

vietnam never attacked us

we went over and attacked and KILLED them.

your next door neighor does nothing to you. you go next door with 5 friends to kill his family. he has guns and tries to defend himself. you kill all 5 of his family living there, and he manages to kill 1 of your team-to-go-next-door-and-kill-neighors-family members. whose the murderer?

I have a big problem comparing soldiers to murders. Soldiers are ordered to go somewhere and to perform a job, if they are attacked while doing said job then they have the right to defend themselves. Your anaology is not a good one at all.

[Dr.Strange]

Another enlighten liberal.

These liberal professors crack me up.

[mlc82]

No matter which side they support, extremist idiots all sound the same don't they?

[randomhero97]

Maybe I'm naive, but I think this guy is like Howerd Stern. Just out there saying this crap for shock value. I just don't see how anyone could believe the sh!t he is saying.

[randomhero97]

Originally Posted by iamGigantor

i dont see a problem with comparing vietnam war veterans to murderers

vietnam never attacked us

we went over and attacked and KILLED them.

your next door neighor does nothing to you. you go next door with 5 friends to kill his family. he has guns and tries to defend himself. you kill all 5 of his family living there, and he manages to kill 1 of your team-to-go-next-door-and-kill-neighors-family members. whose the murderer?

Once again, more proof that crack doesn't smoke itself. Dude, the French were at war with the North starting in the 50's and the U.S. started sending advisors and special ops to assist the French. The French bailed and the U.S. took over the operation. Besides, the Nazis didn't attack the US so how do you feel about them?

[LeilaM]

I'm from Denver, and it's an ongoing thing there even today. It was the Eichmann comment that got him into the crap, not his premise about 9/11. I gotta admit, that statement was in VERY bad taste and a huge example of hyperbole for shock value. But then again, lots of ppl who criticise him refuse to criticise the Danish cartoon makers.

Me, I say both were idiots and tasteless, and I'm a member of the Green Party.

[MediaDeit]

Now I am going to use the term "liberal" in the wrong way, so mind me, I mean extremly far far far far left. Not 99.9999% of democrats.

Anyways now that I put the disclaimer in.

The brainwashed liberal fanatics at campuses are nothing but a disease. You have students so caught up on being anti-american, lacking any sort of ability to think for themselves and simply hop on a bandwagon. These people are nitjobs to say the very least.

They are simply nutjobs, no one protested because these nutjobs don't agree with free speach, they are the same kinds of wackos that vandalise, assualt and destroy any speech given against there opinion.

They are simply a disease, they are a thorn in americas side. Too many wack job liberal american hating students.

Oh we have plenty of these wack jobs on these forums.

[LeilaM]

Originally Posted by MediaDeit

Now I am going to use the term "liberal" in the wrong way, so mind me, I mean extremly far far far far left. Not 99.9999% of democrats.

Anyways now that I put the disclaimer in.

The brainwashed liberal fanatics at campuses are nothing but a disease. You have students so caught up on being anti-american, lacking any sort of ability to think for themselves and simply hop on a bandwagon. These people are nitjobs to say the very least.

They are simply nutjobs, no one protested because these nutjobs don't agree with free speach, they are the same kinds of wackos that vandalise, assualt and destroy any speech given against there opinion.

They are simply a disease, they are a thorn in americas side. Too many wack job liberal american hating students.

Oh we have plenty of these wack jobs on these forums.

I'm only semi-wack job, thanks

[MediaDeit]

Originally Posted by randomhero97

Maybe I'm naive, but I think this guy is like Howerd Stern. Just out there saying this crap for shock value. I just don't see how anyone could believe the sh!t he is saying.

While you may be completely right he is simply in it for attention and shock value. But there are plenty of people who lack the ability to think logically or even have their own opinion that eat up what this guy says. Simply go any campus that is considered slightly "liberal" and I will garuntee there will be people who have views that will down right shock you, it goes far beyond the wack jobs that insist Bush knocked down the towers.

[MediaDeit]

Originally Posted by LeilaM

I'm only semi-wack job, thanks

What is funny is on the opposite of the spectrum on the far far far far right you have to crazed people from that church that go around praising sholdiers for getting killed calling them murderers.


If you put there views in line they almost believe the same wack job theories but on two different ends of the spectrum.

[MediaDeit]

Originally Posted by mlc82

No matter which side they support, extremist idiots all sound the same don't they?

Pretty much.

[Popsicle52]

Originally Posted by randomhero97

Once again, more proof that crack doesn't smoke itself. Dude, the French were at war with the North starting in the 50's and the U.S. started sending advisors and special ops to assist the French. The French bailed and the U.S. took over the operation. Besides, the Nazis didn't attack the US so how do you feel about them?

Because the French weren't a colonial power attacking, conquering, murdering, and taking over vietnam in total non-self-defense..

The U.S excuse for getting into the war was that Vietnamese attacked U.S patrol boats that were just there watching the situation.

40 years later, we know that the event was completely made up just to convince most of the American public to get into a war that we don't need.

Kind of like claiming that Mexico crossed the Rio-Grande and invaded U.S soil to start the Mexican-American war (they didn't). Kind of like the U.S Maine to get us into the Spanish American-War (the Spanish didn't do it, it was a fuel explosion). Kind of like WMD to get into the Iraq War (they didn't exist).

What is common denominator here?

The people in power profited every time. Mexican-American war: We got Mexican gold reserves. Vietnam War: President LBJohnson's estate went up over 1000%. Iraq-War: Haliburton contracting scandals and Dick Cheney.

The price for this money? Dead people.

In reality, they weren't patrol boats just watching the situation. They were American gunboats firing on Vietnamese troops. So, we were attacking them.

And the Vietnamese still didn't fire back. Millions of Vietnamese were murdered, millions of Americans became murderers, and 58,000 American troops didn't get to see their thirtieth birthday so LBJ and a few other people could make a little money.

[powerman2000]

He's the disgrace of Colorado

[mlc82]

Originally Posted by iamGigantor

Because the French weren't a colonial power attacking, conquering, murdering, and taking over vietnam in total non-self-defense..

The U.S excuse for getting into the war was that Vietnamese attacked U.S patrol boats that were just there watching the situation.

40 years later, we know that the event was completely made up just to convince most of the American public to get into a war that we don't need.

Kind of like claiming that Mexico crossed the Rio-Grande and invaded U.S soil to start the Mexican-American war (they didn't). Kind of like the U.S Maine to get us into the Spanish American-War (the Spanish didn't do it, it was a fuel explosion). Kind of like WMD to get into the Iraq War (they didn't exist).

What is common denominator here?

The people in power profited every time. Mexican-American war: We got Mexican gold reserves. Vietnam War: President LBJohnson's estate went up over 1000%. Iraq-War: Haliburton contracting scandals and Dick Cheney.

The price for this money? Dead people.

In reality, they weren't patrol boats just watching the situation. They were American gunboats firing on Vietnamese troops. So, we were attacking them.

And the Vietnamese still didn't fire back. Millions of Vietnamese were murdered, millions of Americans became murderers, and 58,000 American troops didn't get to see their thirtieth birthday so LBJ and a few other people could make a little money.

Uh oh, sounds like someone isn't Patriotic enough... Must be one of those nasty critical thinking types who doesn't just settle for going along with what they're told.... Remember, if you question times in the past where the government has happily screwed it's own people for the benefit of the few (or even show how this has also happened countless times before in other countries throughout history), you must not love Freedom.

[xer0xed]

This guy is completely nuts. Anyone who basically celebrates the deaths of fellow Americans is a total scumbag, and it's great that he's already been fired from teaching. Yeah, those little secretary people and notice delivery people were just like nazis. Those evil capitalists!

Typical commie. I'd hate to see what kind of miserable totalitarian regime would fill this guy's ideal political system.

[Purge]

This guy needs to be drawn and quartered.

[MediaDeit]

Originally Posted by mlc82

Uh oh, sounds like someone isn't Patriotic enough... Must be one of those nasty critical thinking types who doesn't just settle for going along with what they're told.... Remember, if you question times in the past where the government has happily screwed it's own people for the benefit of the few (or even show how this has also happened countless times before in other countries throughout history), you must not love Freedom.

The problem with that wacko is not the fact he questions going into vietnam. The majority of Americans probably don't think we should of went and aren't happy with the way things went.

The issue with the wack job above is he calls the soldiers murderers. So big there........................

[The Experiment]

Remember that the reason he is so angry is because he considers himself Native American, despite no hard proof that he is from any tribe. He claims to be pissed that because his people were killed en masse (13 million or so), that he therefore gets the golden pass to do this.

As someone who actually does have Native American blood in him, I can tell you that the guy is an idiot. Everything he does, he does it for attention to bait egotistical idiots like Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly. Him and Michael Crook, who wrote letters to soldiers asking them to die (in child's handwriting). These types of people are morons but are only in it for the attention. Does not matter if it is good or bad, it gets attention.

Ward probably did get popular because most people despise O'Reilly. This pompous ass is like the Michael Moore of network news. Tries to present a case but is so tunnelvisioned and arrogant that people tend to move to the other side, regardless of what that is.

[mlc82]

Originally Posted by MediaDeit

The problem with that wacko is not the fact he questions going into vietnam. The majority of Americans probably don't think we should of went and aren't happy with the way things went.

The issue with the wack job above is he calls the soldiers murderers. So big there........................

I was talking about iamGigantor, not defending the idiot that the post was originally made about.

[Fatso56]

Originally Posted by MediaDeit

The issue with the wack job above is he calls the soldiers murderers. So big there........................

He says radical attention seeking **** but...I am pretty sure that is somewhere in the top 5 of being a soldier, to kill people.

A soldier in ww2, hmm probably not considering it was a justifiable war

A volunteer soldier in Iraq, a war condemned by the world population before it began and that broke international laws of war? arguable case...

[US_Ranger]

Originally Posted by iamGigantor

i dont see a problem with comparing vietnam war veterans to murderers

vietnam never attacked us

we went over and attacked and KILLED them.

your next door neighor does nothing to you. you go next door with 5 friends to kill his family. he has guns and tries to defend himself. you kill all 5 of his family living there, and he manages to kill 1 of your team-to-go-next-door-and-kill-neighors-family members. whose the murderer?

Good logic.

I guess we shouldn't have went to war with the nazi's either.

****ing idiot.

[majortrepak]

Originally Posted by iamGigantor

i dont see a problem with comparing vietnam war veterans to murderers

vietnam never attacked us

we went over and attacked and KILLED them.

Germany never attacked us we went over there and killed them as well.

Do you consider WW2 vets murders?

[majortrepak]

Originally Posted by US_Ranger

Good logic.

I guess we shouldn't have went to war with the nazi's either.

****ing idiot.

beat me to it

[Popsicle52]

Originally Posted by MediaDeit

The problem with that wacko is not the fact he questions going into vietnam. The majority of Americans probably don't think we should of went and aren't happy with the way things went.

The issue with the wack job above is he calls the soldiers murderers. So big there........................

Let me get this straight. Are you denying that American soldiers killed people?

[Popsicle52]

Originally Posted by US_Ranger

Good logic.

I guess we shouldn't have went to war with the nazi's either.

****ing idiot.

Japan attacked us at Pearl Harbour. Germany was allied with Japan. Germany attacked France, Britain, and lots of smaller countries. We were allied with France, Britain, and lots of smaller countries.

Allies like France, Britain and lots of smaller countries would be like your family members in that anology.

It is good logic.

Your logic sucks.

****ing idiot.

BTW try to think of things as if you weren't an American or another foreign national. If it helps, try to look at things like you're an alien or God looking down on the planet. It helps avoid the stereotypical Go-My-Country-100% mindset that lots of people like many Germans in WWII, many Japanese in WWII, and many Americans today fall into.

[US_Ranger]

Originally Posted by iamGigantor

Japan attacked us at Pearl Harbour. Germany was allied with Japan. Germany attacked France, Britain, and lots of smaller countries. We were allied with France, Britain, and lots of smaller countries.

Allies like France, Britain and lots of smaller countries would be like your family members in that anology.

It is good logic.

Your logic sucks.

****ing idiot.

Hmmm....France was our ally during Vietnam!

Wow, you disproved your own logic by being stupid.

Go back and read your post where you said that Vietnam didn't attack us. SHOW me how your logic makes sense.

Nice backpedalling dummy.....