Remaining traces of "Great" being removed from Britain

[user437490845hjgd]

With America joining them on the trip down the ****ter.

Three articles:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770

Britons 'could be microchipped like dogs in a decade'

Human beings may be forced to be 'microchipped' like pet dogs, a shocking official report into the rise of the Big Brother state has warned.

The microchips - which are implanted under the skin - allow the wearer's movements to be tracked and store personal information about them.

The prospect of 'chip-citizens' - with its terrifying echoes of George Orwell's 'Big Brother' police state in the book 1984 - was raised in an official report for Britain's Information Commissioner Richard Thomas into the spread of surveillance technology.

The report, drawn up by a team of respected academics, claims that Britain is a world-leader in the use of surveillance technology and its citizens the most spied-upon in the free world.

It paints a frightening picture of what Britain might be like in ten years time unless steps are taken to regulate the use of CCTV and other spy technologies.

The reports editors Dr David Murakami Wood, managing editor of the journal Surveillance and Society and Dr Kirstie Ball, an Open University lecturer in Organisation Studies, claim that by 2016 our almost every movement, purchase and communication could be monitored by a complex network of interlinking surveillance technologies.

The authors also highlight the Government's huge enthusiasm for CCTV, pointing out that during the 1990s the Home Office spent 78 per cent of its crime prevention budget - a total of £500 million - on installing the cameras.

There are now 4.2 million CCTV cameras in Britain and the average Briton is caught on camera an astonishing 300 times every day.

This huge enthusiasm comes despite official Home Office statistics showing that CCTV cameras have 'little effect on crime levels'.

Second article:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...&icc=NEWS&ct=5

Green tax blitz planned for cars, air travel and consumer goods

Plans for a multi-billion-pound package of stealth taxes on fuel, cars, air travel and consumer goods have been drawn up by the government to combat global warming.

The proposals, leaked to The Mail on Sunday, show that the Government is considering introducing a raft of hard-hitting 'eco-taxes' that will have a devastating effect on the cost of living.

Most controversial of all, the documents reveal the Government is planning to grab billions of pounds of extra revenue from motorists - without telling them. It is considering introducing a special mechanism so that whenever oil prices go down, the Government would get the cash in extra fuel tax - not the motorist.

A leaked letter from Environment Secretary David Miliband to Chancellor Gordon Brown says the advantage of this is that the Government would gain billions of pounds 'without individual announcements on fuel-duty rises needing to be made'.

Third article:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspap...426874,00.html

British the most spied-on people in western world

BRITISH people are now more spied upon by their political leaders than any other population in the free world, according to an official report.

The linkage of databases and surveillance systems mean people are now having their movements tracked, habits profiled and photograph taken hundreds of times a day. The findings, in a report compiled on behalf of Richard Thomas, the information commissioner, raised concerns that Britain is “waking up in a surveillance society”.

“They don’t know, for instance, that a record is kept of every internet site they visit. They don’t realise that when identity cards come in, there will be a record of their movements and every time they have engaged with any public service.”

He also revealed that his office is investigating allegations of lax security at the Post Office, HSBC, NatWest and the Royal Bank of Scotland. The banks may face unlimited fines over claims that they dumped sensitive details of customers’ accounts on the streets.

The report, compiled by surveillance experts and academics, points out that a typical Briton will be caught on camera up to 300 times a day. Britain now has 4.2m public CCTV cameras, or one for every 14 people, more than any other country.

Other examples of surveillance highlighted by the report include the growing use of automatic number plate recognition to track people’s journeys and the long-term retention of logs detailing the websites people visit at home.

[user437490845hjgd]

I don't know if we are going to be able to keep up with their rate of "progress" unless we rewrite that old moldy constitution.

[xer0xed]

****ing bull****. The people of Britain better be up in arms over this.

[Dr.Strange]

On side note, Im not entirely against having GPS sensors on criminals though.
Interesting articles. Amazing that people would sacrifice freedom for the sake of security. In the end, they will sacrifice both.

[B_Master_Flash]

Originally Posted by xer0xed

****ing bull****. The people of Britain better be up in arms over this.

Yeah I was just thinking that. People need to unite and not let their government do this crap to them

[user437490845hjgd]

Oh damn, my eyes are bleeding, I found another brown soggy nugget.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770

Now a tax just for living in a nice area

Families who live in desirable areas face massive increases in their council tax bills under plans being drawn up by Labour. Homeowners in affluent neighbourhoods with good schools, low crime rates and clean streets could be charged thousands of pounds extra than those in more run down places.

Ministers have purchased sophisticated 'Big Brother' computer systems which calculate the desirability of an area based on the quality of local services and the types of people who live there. The software, which will be used in the forthcoming revaluation of all 21 million homes in England, contains astonishingly detailed data on the number of households, even those who have pets, wear contact lenses or are vegetarian.

It allows inspectors to put a precise value on each home, based not only by its size and features, but its location. The move is a further blow to homeowners who are facing the prospect of being fined for refusing to let council tax inspectors come into their homes to photograph any improvements.

Campaigners have warned that bills could rise by as much as four times in areas which are deemed 'desirable' - sending some bills spiralling from £1,000 to £4,000. The Acorn computer system uses marketing information obtained from companies, such as credit card and stores, to create a detailed analysis of individuals and their neighbourhoods based on 287 'lifestyle variables'.

This includes information on the age, sex, ethnic profile and profession of residents in different 'localities'. Highly personalised information about what families eat, drink, and earn is also taken into account.p

Communities minister Phil Woolas has revealed the country will be divided into 10,000 'localities' for the revaluation exercise. He admitted: "The market for dwellings may well be influenced by levels of crime and deprivation, amongst many other factors".

The new system is based on a scheme being tested in Northern Ireland, where homeowners have seen their local tax bills increase by as much as 400 per cent. Residents there will be charged 0.78 per cent of their home's value each year - calculated in part using the location information - pushing the average bill from £1,056 to £1,492. Individual local authorities could vary the rate.

The tax will hit Northern Ireland next April, but a review of town hall finances for England, currently under way, is thought to be looking at the same system. The Tories warned that if it was introduced in England, average bills would soar by £436 a year, with middle-class households in the South and South East worst hit.

Several councils would see average annual bills rise by more than £1,000 - including Westminster, Wandsworth, Camden, Hammersmith and Fulham, Islington, Richmond upon Thames, South Buckinghamshire, Windsor & Maidenhead, Mole Valley, St Albans, Winchester, Brentwood and Epping Forest.

In many Labour heartlands, by contrast, average bills would fall, because house price rises have been less dramatic since the last national revaluation. Under the system, householders could be fined £1,000 for refusing to let inspectors photograph the inside and outside of their homes.

Improvements which could increase council tax bills range from a large extension, through to the number of bedrooms and parking spaces, to a scenic view. The Tories claim ministers are quietly introducing the new scheme in Northern Ireland with the intention of rolling it out nationwide, just as Margaret Thatcher piloted the community charge in Scotland before introducing it across England and Wales.

Shadow communities secretary Caroline Spelman warned: "There is growing alarm about the Labour Government's use of Big Brother computers to hike taxes. "First, they want to log and record every feature of your home, from double glazing to the number of bedrooms. Next, they want clip-board wielding bureaucrats to have the right to inspect your home.

"Now, Labour intends to tax you not just for every home improvement, but also the neighbourhood you live in. "This is the hallmark of an oppressive and greedy government finding every more stealthy ways to tax working families and pensioners and trampling over privacy when it suits them."

Liberal Democrat spokesman Andrew Stunell MP added: "Your local tax should be based on your ability to pay. "What is now being suggested will hit retired people particularly hard. They often have spent many years in their own home and would now simply become the victims of house price rises over which they have no control at all."

A review of local government including town hall finances by Sir Michael Lyons is expected within months. But the Northern Ireland Secretary Peter Hain yesterday hit back at the claims describing them as "juvenile".

He said: "This is Westminster politics of the most juvenile kind. In Northern Ireland, we are introducing a new arrangement to replace one which is three decades old and clearly unfair to those on lower incomes. "The decision to base rates on the value of homes emerged after a period of consultation and had its genesis in the last Assembly.

"It is tailor-made for Northern Ireland's different local government finance system and there is no read across for the rest of the UK." Blair Gibbs, spokesman for the TaxPayers' Alliance added: "This new system will cause uproar amongst hard-working families up and down the country.

"It will effectively penalise ordinary people for living in good neighbourhoods. If there is less crime, people should if anything, be paying less in tax not more, as they demand less from the police. "We need a fair system of council finance where local services are paid for locally, and where money is not siphoned off by central Government.

"This will not happen until we have true accountability where people can see what they're paying for, and can actually vote for change."

More damn communism.

[Jeremy1]

Originally Posted by types_with_fist

With America joining them on the trip down the ****ter.

Three articles:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770


Second article:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...&icc=NEWS&ct=5


Third article:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspap...426874,00.html

As we all know, what happens over there eventually happens here.

[Jeremy1]

Originally Posted by xer0xed

****ing bull****. The people of Britain better be up in arms over this.

I guarantee you that they are not. Sad.

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by types_with_fist

Oh damn, my eyes are bleeding, I found another brown soggy nugget.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770



More damn communism.

Property tax is basically that already.

[xer0xed]

"
It allows inspectors to put a precise value on each home, based not only by its size and features, but its location. The move is a further blow to homeowners who are facing the prospect of being fined for refusing to let council tax inspectors come into their homes to photograph any improvements."

WHAT THE HELL?

Why are people so ****ing crazy? I swear... I was born into a world of willing slaves. =(

[Jeremy1]

Originally Posted by Diesel66

Property tax is basically that already.

I would say not "basically", but indeed just that.

[Lloyd Braun]

My how the mighty have fallen.

[user437490845hjgd]

Originally Posted by Diesel66

Property tax is basically that already.

Same mechanism, but much more "comprehensive".

[Aarakis]

You all may have noticed, the british government pretty much disarmed their populace before doing this. Hmmm...

[xer0xed]

Originally Posted by Aarakis

You all may have noticed, the british government pretty much disarmed their populace before doing this. Hmmm...

Did they do gun confiscation? I'm not very familiar with British gun control laws... just that they have them.

[Jeremy1]

Originally Posted by xer0xed

Did they do gun confiscation? I'm not very familiar with British gun control laws... just that they have them.

Not only guns, but knives also.
http://www.freemarketnews.com/Feedback.asp?nid=4410

[animal-mother]

If you can't beat em, join em.

ANIMAL MOTHER FOR PRESIDENT TWO THOUSAND-WHENEVER IM ELIGIBLE

[xer0xed]

Originally Posted by Jeremy1

Not only guns, but knives also.
http://www.freemarketnews.com/Feedback.asp?nid=4410

Then the British government has no legitimate right to exist.

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by Jeremy1

I would say not "basically", but indeed just that.

difference is the public estimates what the property is worth not the govt.

Originally Posted by Aarakis

You all may have noticed, the british government pretty much disarmed their populace before doing this. Hmmm...

Britain has always been disarmed.

[Aarakis]

Originally Posted by Diesel66

difference is the public estimates what the property is worth not the govt.



Britain has always been disarmed.

Wrong

[ElMariachi]

How long do you think before they try for an assault weapons ban, and then a total gun ban in this country?


We got one party, who wants the right to spy on people, carte blanche, and another, that absolutely wants to remove all traces of guns and personal property rights in the name of progress.


Good deal.

[xer0xed]

Originally Posted by ElMariachi

How long do you think before they try for an assault weapons ban, and then a total gun ban in this country?


We got one party, who wants the right to spy on people, carte blanche, and another, that absolutely wants to remove all traces of guns and personal property rights in the name of progress.


Good deal.

No one's touching my guns. =)

[God King]

i think removing peoples guns will elimate deaths by guns. no more violence, these chips would work too

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by Aarakis

Wrong

so tell me when the average citizen had firearms ?

[user437490845hjgd]

Originally Posted by Diesel66

so tell me when the average citizen had firearms ?

Effectively AWB in the 30's.

More guns banned in 1988 with the passage of the Firearms I Amendment.

Vast majority of remaining guns (especially handguns) banned with passage of Firearms II Amendment in 1997.

Downward spiral continues with knife bans and blunt instrument bans in the works.

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by types_with_fist

Effectively AWB in the 30's.
.

And what was the percentage of average citizens with firearms before those laws ?


btw missed the pistol ~ban in 1903

[Aarakis]

Originally Posted by types_with_fist

Effectively AWB in the 30's.

More guns banned in 1988 with the passage of the Firearms I Amendment.

Vast majority of remaining guns (especially handguns) banned with passage of Firearms II Amendment in 1997.

Downward spiral continues with knife bans and blunt instrument bans in the works.

Thanks Fist. Saved me from looking it all up.

[user437490845hjgd]

Originally Posted by Diesel66

And what was the percentage of average citizens with firearms before those laws ?


btw missed the pistol ~ban in 1903

http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/...ntCrimeEng.gif

Diamond curve is legal gun ownership per 100,000 from 1979 to 1992 - there is a drop at the 1988 Firearms act.

I am looking for data for other periods...

[Kveldulf]

Originally Posted by xer0xed

****ing bull****. The people of Britain better be up in arms over this.

Of course they're not. The average Brit is quietly (read dumbly) wandering around with their head in the sand. When it all comes to pass they'll whinge about it a tad, then shrug and say "Yeah but it's probably the same everywhere". Brits are FAR too complacent about the gradual erosion of their freedoms. Most don't care as long as they can watch the "footie" and go out and have a pint.
Some of us do care, which is why there's a HUGE amount of emigration by British natives

[Kveldulf]

Oh just in case this wasn't mentioned, local councils are "chipping" households garbage bins to detect what kind of waste has been put in them. If it's the wrong kind you'll be fined!!!