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Old 09-01-2006, 05:16 PM   #1
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Cool The ULTIMATE recovery and recovery tips thread

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**Guys, I’m really bored so I thought I’d discuss an issue that is sometimes brought up and certainly a vital issue within bodybuilding and fitness.

Please note, I’m not hunting for reps, if you think its good feel free...I just want to share some of the stuff I’ve learnt in two years to aid recovery.

I'll warn you now. I’m going to use pretty basic language..Not because I’m stupid but it will make it easier particular for the new members**
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Ok let's start simple definition of recovery right related to sport (there are so many definitions, but we'll keep it simple)

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Recovery is the process the athlete goes through to return to a state of performance readiness.
i.e. Returning the body to a an original state. As athletes/bodybuilders/fitness freaks, this is particular important to us and we'll want to get this done as quickly as possible right? So lets move on and get straight into to methods of recovery...

We must consider that after prolonged exercise we have depleted our glycogen stores and literally have torn muscles into tiny pieces So it's time to recover. Recovery times will vary and are likely to be dependant upon: sex, age, intensity, drugs etc.. But there's methods that we can all participate in.

Methods of recovery in and about the gym:

Active warm up and cool down:
I cannot stress how IMPORTANT this factor is! Both warm up and cool down are so vital before and after exercise for physiological and on the vascular system.

A warm up will:
- Increase blood flow to the working muscles
- Increase elasticity of the muscles (allowing a greater a stretch/range of motion)
- Will also decrease the onset of blood lactic acid (OBLA) - And im sure you know lactic acid and the build up of it is NOT a good thing for intense athletes/people!
- Many positive effects also on the vascular system (vasoconstrition and vasodilation causing increassed blood flow O2 to working muscles)
- Most importantly reduce the risk of injury

A cool down will:
- Prevent blood pooling (the sudden rush of blood just stopping and build up of lactic acid
- Maintain blood pressure
- Also reduce the risk of injury
- Reduce the SEVERITY (not totally remove but reduce the sevirity) of Delayed onset muscle soreness (DOMS); The soreness in muscles that you feel usually 24-72 hours post exercise

Therefore simply a warm up and cool down is vital. Personally I think 5-10 mins on warm up (light jogging, exercise bike, rowing) is a good way of gradually increase blood to the working muscles and perhaps 5 mintues of an overall body stetch paying particular attention to the muscle group that you are working.

Don't forget stretching in between sets to increase elasticity of muscles is equally important.

As for a cool down, don't just go walking out the gym and sit in your car and drive!! Get on the treadmill for 5 mins and start fairly medium pace..and gradually work the pace down..your heart rate should slowly decrease with this! Finally a 5 minute stretch may also help at the end of the session paying particular attention to the muscle group that you have just worked.

Ok your done...you can try other methods in the gym such as contrasting shows (30 seconds hot, 30 second cold) Jacuzzi and sauna are also popular choices..I like jacuizzi and contrasting showers if I have spare time.

Post workout shake:
Well you've probably just depelted your glycogen stores! So you need to quickly recovery (See the thread by Alan Argon on Post Workout Nutrition) as it's a pretty hotly debated subject. Me personally its convinient in the gym to have a post workout cocktail shake as recommended on here and abc bodybuilding.
Depending on weight mine is: 30g maltodextrin/30g of glucose/30g of protein powder - mix this with approx 1 litre of water...drink the first half o the shake within 5 minutes and sip the rest over and hour period. HOWEVER some people like a well balanced meal e.g. Oats, banana, veg Post workout..the answer is to experiment and research what's best for you.

Other supplementation: (approx 15 mins PWO)
If you have the money you may also want or consider: (you dont have to)
- Vitamin C may aid recovery
- L-Glutamine (amino acid...but very hotly debated again..so lets not get into it )
- Creatine (but don't mix directly in your PWO shake if having one)

During exercise I like to use Scivation Xtend..hey i'm not a rep..just a good quality product that might aid recovery ok.

Ok so that's just a very basic guide as to things you can do inside the gym to aid recovery..i'm sure many people will come up with better/more alternatives but it's good enough for a newcomer.

Methods of recovery outside of gym (e.g. home/work):
Probably the most important factors that you MUST nail is recovery outside of the gym. Let's look at a few areas of focus and there are MANY.

Rest:
"Rest for growth" Thats a term I like to use. During deep sleep is when full muscle recovery is likely to take place..try and aim for 8 hour sleep per night + any naps during the day that you might be able to fit in. Rest, predominately in the form of sleep will be when most muscle growth occurs and a great way of restoring energy levels back to normal. Don't get enough rest? Your going to feel run down and low on energy..and your muscle won't grow/you wont gain/loose weight whatever your goal. Importantly, try and get your body into a routine e.g. Bed from 11pm-8am...erratic sleeping times are also likely to have a negative effect on your goal and also of course cause stress problems.

Nutrition:
Food is definitely up there with a MUST do! Food = energy. You need to fill your body with the CORRECT nutrients. Critical times of eating will be; post workout, post post workout (i.e. your well balanced meal after your workout) and night time to restore your bodies..At night, I like to have protein powder and skim milk, cottage cheese, low fat natural yoghurt..all realtively slow digesting to aid your through the 8+ hours of sleep..But i'll let you find the RIGHT diet for you in the nutrition section ok! Don't neglect the pre workout meal either! You want maximum energy in your workouts then you need good quality cabs and protein (e.g. oats, banana and protein powder) provide a solid base for a pre workout meal approximately 1-1.5 hours before you workout.

Ice:
Using ice is pretty underrated..and ice baths are definitely a seceret weapon in professional sports e.g. Rugby, football/soccoer etc...But you don't have to go to such extremes..Just a bag of frozen peas/ice pack and a towel is all you need...Ice is simple, direct, quick and a good way of reducing muscle sorness and injury/swelling. (There are many articles on the EFFECTS of ice massage if you simply search ice massage on google) But lets keep it simple for now.

Stretching:
Again very underrated..how many times do you see people after a long training bout just walk around the next day like ooooo im so sore! Do something about it! Since we are talking outside of the gym..nobody is going to deny you stetching muscles outside of the gym...Just 5 mins or so will be good..let's say your trained hamstrings and they are tight as hell..5 mins of stretching hamstrings will increase elasticity and you'll feel alot less tight afterwards! There are many specific stretches for the muscle groups, check out http://www.exrx.net for specific stretches that you can do at home for the muscle group that is sore/previously worked.

Massage/relaxation:
If your lucky, maybe your girlfriend/boyfriend/wife/husband may just help you relax by massaging the muscle group that you trained. A great way to mentally and physically relax and shuffle the lactic acid that might be built up in the muscles..Ok so not a necessity..but you might have a spare 5 mins on the couch where your partner can help, and who knows it might lead to better things

Massage oils
All kinds of remedies/oils/creams can be used..Personally I like to use dog oil (its basically vaseline!!), its cheap, effective and also makes you look cool However not a necessity in my opinion but a mere add-on.

Supplementation:
Supplementation outside of the gym is another good way of recovery. BUT please ensure you have an amazing diet in tact first! Protein is useful for recovery as it vitamins (Vitamin C can reduce soreness - we highlighted this though Post workout) /minerals/amino acids/energy bars etc..Are also a great way of restoring energy levels and getting the right nutrtients BUT PLEASE DIET TOO!!

Light aerboic work
This is DEFINITELY a favourite of mine after a bruising leg day! Sometimes you can feel as though you can hardly walk..going upstairs and downstairs is like a struggle! Therefore light aerboic work (VERY light jogging for example) is a fantastic way to begin gradual blood flow and pump blood to those sore muscles..also removing lactic acid that has built up..Sitting around all day isn't going to do anything..light aerboic work will do something for you though! Also mentally it may take away the soreness...as you forget about it and just get on with running/enjoying music on MP3 but really the blood is being pumped to the muscle which is the key to this!
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Over the counter drugs
I AM NOT going to discuss steroids mainly because I know too little about them and I don't take them so sorry if you were interested, but the steroid forum is great if your looking for advice.

Over the counter drugs mainly in the form of ibuprofen and aspirin are pain releiving drugs although realistically on temporarily remove pain. It my opinion you don't need them but feel free to research this area in depth..In general is usually isn't recommend if the natural ways of recovery work.

Conclusion
Ultimately there are many more methods you can do! and i'm going to request that people post up further tips and methods of recovery.

Delyaed Onset Muscle Sorness (DOMS) itself is abit of a compelx/mysterious issue! But so long as you know it occurs 24-72 hours after strenious exercise and the methods of REDUCING it, then that's all you probably need to know...however I would read into it more if you want

Hopefully the above information may have helped some of the newer guys wondering "Why the hell am I sore" and maybe some of you guys who just need to add a few things into your day to aid recovery! Some of them only take 5 mintues (e.g. warm up, stretches and massage) could adequately be fitted into a day!)

That's about it folks! All I can think of right now..it might be a bit jumbled I tried my best to do it in a logical order for you..but hey, it's getting late and im tired. Quiet often you see threads like "Oh god i've got severe muscle soreness" Replies are usually on the right level..but I though it would be good just to collect some information together and make sense of stuff

Now you can all discuss/make what you want of it/ask questions post your own feedback/thoughts and perhaps your own personal recovery tips..Stuff that I have missed out. But I just give you a basic overview of methods.

I'm not a doctor (and im sure you can tell) , im going by personal experiences and general studing of physical eduction (PE) in college..I got a B if that helps But me myself have experienced those days of severe muscle soreness and just done nothing..but once your start doing something about it, this can be really beneficial.

Final word:
If your starting out/perhaps changed your programme and are experiencing severe DOMS despite following methods..just remember that Adaptations will also occur. Adaptations of your body getting used to the increased activity that you are doing...Your muscle will become adapt to the increased workload..and eventually your body will adapt and I assume your aiming for muscle hypertrophy..but thats a whole issue in itself! So don't be let down..give your body time to adapt but try to avoid overtraining.

Remember:
- Muscle soreness is not necessarily and indication of growth
- Soreness will usually last around 3-5 days but damage can still be around 5 days after training...I personally allow 7 days recovery a week split (training 4 times per week)

P.S.
- If I have missed out something REALLY stupid..then please just PM me..i'll add it in
- Sorry about spelling errors but when I do spell check it starts being really picky about visual basic stuff and just general things like “…..” etc..
- You REALLY don't want to be training a sore muscle trust me!
- Usually if soreness continues after 7++days you might want to see a medical expert such as a doctor.

Thanks brothers and sisters ,

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Some resources and articles you may find useful (more technical) for recovery:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed...uscle_soreness (DOMS on Wikipedia)
http://www.unm.edu/~lkravitz/Article...der/domos.html (Treating and preventing DOMS)
http://www.atlargenutrition.com/impo...f_recovery.php (Good recovery article)

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One more thing I forget to mention (and SDFlipStyle triggered it) Is that i'm from the UK

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Good job! mate what about the central nervous system? You should discuss how it's important to have that recuperated by the time you hit your nextworkout.
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Toxic04:

Good job! mate what about the central nervous system? You should discuss how it's important to recuperate that.
Sorry no..go ahead if you want. I know little about it. I just hear people say "Don't tax the CNS" or like maybe if you said I was gonna lifting incredibly heavy people would be like "That's gonna tax the CNS"

I haven't read too much into it so if you want feel free to add stuff I can even edit stuff an add it in and give you the acknowldgement if your bored and want to add stuff

Curious as to whether this thread would have been better in the teen section? I don't post there..do they get loads of "ouch my legs are sore theads"?

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Sorry no..go ahead if you want. I know little about it. I just hear people say "Don't tax the CNS" or like maybe if you said I was gonna lifting incredibly heavy people would be like "That's gonna tax the CNS"

I haven't read too much into it so if you want feel free to add stuff I can even edit stuff an add it in and give you the acknowldgement if your bored and want to add stuff

Curious as to whether this thread would have been better in the teen section? I don't post there..do they get loads of "ouch my legs are sore theads"?
Toxic04:

I wouldn't get into to much detail mate, for mosts guys it will just either confuse or it will be complicated to understand. I'd just keep it as simple as possible on forums.


You can try something like this, doesn't have to be exact. It's up to you

Central nervous system:

It is most importantly to have your central nervous system recovered in order to expect any gains therefore getting enough sleep 8-10 hours a day, not lifting for at least 24 hours after a workout ect ect therefore you want be fresh or fully recovered to hit your next workout.
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You say dont mix creatine into your pwo shake? why not?
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Isolation tank is the best form of recovery

1 hour floating is said to have the effects of 6+ hours of deep sleep.
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Besides icing, a combination of ice/hot baths or cold/hot showers if you can't do the baths are very effective. Just think icyhot or whatever commercials with Shaq and Mia Hamm advertising for their back and knees respectively IIRC.

It does work though as the cold helps to stem the swelling from the immune response to the destruction/tearing of your muscles during the workout, and the hot helps to increase blood flow to the area to help it heal faster.
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1 hour floating is said to have the effects of 6+ hours of deep sleep.
My gym doesnt even have a power rack...

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You say dont mix creatine into your pwo shake? why not?
Yeah, i'm not totally sure why, it used to say on ABC Bodybuilding but they've changed up the article.

It used to say along the lines of don't directly mix it into your PWO shake but instead scoop 5g of creatine into your mouth and a sip of your PWO shake and drink...So I would assume that what they are saying is that if you do mix it into your PWO shake, then the effectiveness may decrease??
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Besides icing, a combination of ice/hot baths or cold/hot showers if you can't do the baths are very effective. Just think icyhot or whatever commercials with Shaq and Mia Hamm advertising for their back and knees respectively IIRC.

It does work though as the cold helps to stem the swelling from the immune response to the destruction/tearing of your muscles during the workout, and the hot helps to increase blood flow to the area to help it heal faster.
Good post! I forgot to mention that heat will also help in the recovery stage..I only mentioned contrasting showers, however I hear you can also use low intensity infared for muscle soreness too.
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Toxic; that is a great summary and definitely worth a printout by many members of this forum......

only thing I can nitpick a little is the statement about tearing the muscle into tiny pieces: I have gone on about this many times on here: the "damage" to muscles in normal workouts is miminal and microscopic......

a true TEAR is a serious thing , although we love to use this terminology.......

you were not fishing for reps, but you are going to get them anyway! LOL.....
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Toxic; that is a great summary and definitely worth a printout by many members of this forum......

only thing I can nitpick a little is the statement about tearing the muscle into tiny pieces: I have gone on about this many times on here: the "damage" to muscles in normal workouts is miminal and microscopic......

a true TEAR is a serious thing , although we love to use this terminology.......

you were not fishing for reps, but you are going to get them anyway! LOL.....
Much appreciated..like I said it was written out of pure boredom!

I know what you mean abou the "Tear" so i'll probably just edit that part and say minor damage is caused after a normal workout? Sound ok? or perhaps working out will damage the muscles slightly..

I can't remember where I got that after your workout you literally tear your muscles into tiny pieces! I'm pretty sure it was written somewhere but shows how people interpret things differently!

Thanks for the info
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so dont mix creatine with protein shake? i asked on another thread if i can do this and they said yes... is it bad or just not effective to mix both.. bc sometimes after the gym i just want to take 1 drink instead of 2 seperate ones.. let me know
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so dont mix creatine with protein shake? i asked on another thread if i can do this and they said yes... is it bad or just not effective to mix both.. bc sometimes after the gym i just want to take 1 drink instead of 2 seperate ones.. let me know
I don't know the exact answer...it was just something I read a while back to not mix it directly in with your shake..but instead just scoop 5g straight down your throat and take a swig of your PWO shake and swallow..(ABC Bodybuilding) HOWEVER if people on the forums are saying it's fine I don't know..Perhaps you could ask Alan Argon or Layne Norton (str8flexed) they seem to be knowledgeable on Post-Workout nutrition. Your going to find many contrasting articles online, so I suppose you can only do what works for you..Personally I don't always have creatine around PWO so usually it's just my shake for my PWO meal.

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Seeing as how I usually chug a creatine shake inbetween my workout/cardio, I usually just take the protein after cardio..or vise versa..to prevent water log
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So..we all recovering well now bro's?
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1 hour floating is said to have the effects of 6+ hours of deep sleep.
ive heard the same...
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i know its an old thread but oh well..
first off i think they say dont mix creatine with PWO shake because after a while it loses its properties once mixed with water and comes useless.. BUT if you drink it fast enough (not excessively fast) but say within 30mins you should be fine... also i dont know about you but there is no way in hell im just gunna swallow a spoon full of creatine powder..

but great post man.. if your still active on this forum
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