Iran Working with N. Korea on Missiles

xer0xed · 08-03-2006, 09:08 AM

...with the possible involvement of Chinese technologies.

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SEOUL (Reuters) - North Korea has been working closely with Iran to develop its long-range ballistic missiles, possibly using Chinese technology, and is building large bases to prepare for their deployment, a South Korean state-run think tank said.

Communist North Korea is also building new sites near the Demilitarized Zone border for short-range missiles and is deploying missiles with improved precision that can strike most of Japan, the Institute of Foreign Affairs and National Security (IFANS) said in a report.

"The development of Taepodong-2 is conducted jointly with Iran, and it is possible China's technology is used in the development of the Taepodong-2 engine," said the IFANS report, which Reuters obtained on Thursday.

The collaboration is part of an international network, including Pakistan, that made it possible for the impoverished North to develop and deploy missiles despite scarce resources and limited testing, the study said.

North Korea fired seven missiles on July 5, including the long-range Taepodong-2, which U.S. officials said failed seconds into its flight and fell into waters between Japan and the Korean peninsula.

Christopher Hill, the top U.S. envoy to talks on the North's nuclear program, said last month one or more Iranians watched the North's missile launch, deepening concerns about the ties between two countries with troubling nuclear capabilities.

The Taepodong-2 is the product of joint efforts with Tehran, coinciding with Iran's development of the Shehab-5 and 6, and "it is highly possible that design and technology from China, which has an arms trade with Iran, were used", the report said.

The North is building a missile command base 50 km (30 miles) north of the Demilitarized Zone for as many as 30 mobile launch pads for the short-range Scud-type Hwasong missiles that can hit military and industrial targets deep in the South, IFANS said.

"With the deployment of Rodong and SSN-6 missiles and the pursuit to deploy the Taepodong-2, the North is pushing ahead with the construction of new sites and silos" on the east coast and on the border with China, the IFANS report said.

Source: http://today.reuters.com/news/newsar...src=rss&rpc=22

North Korea: part of the axis?

aberry33 · 08-03-2006, 09:12 AM

I'm seeing a general pattern develop here.....

gabster21 · 08-03-2006, 09:19 AM

This post reminds me of a segment I saw on CNN a couple of years ago called "Axis of Evil: Iraq, Iran and North Korea" .
Amid their usual rhetoric incoherant drivel, one of the presenters said the following sentence, word for word: "We know they're evil, THEY know they're evil, the WHOLE WORLD knows they're evil", I kid you not.

Seems to be working though..

coontang · 08-03-2006, 10:22 AM

self fulfilling prophecy anyone?

moppeh · 08-03-2006, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by coontang

self fulfilling prophecy anyone?

So basically you're saying that this never would have happened if it wasn't for the US? Everyone would live in peace if not for the US? Typical pacifist. Didn't really help France in WW2 did it?

If you live in the US and don't like it you should move to Canada. Then again, they seem to have tougher immigration laws then we do, so you may have to wait.

IraHays · 08-03-2006, 10:55 AM

North Korea showing them how to crash missles 10 seconds after launch and how to explode them on the launching pad?

coontang · 08-03-2006, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by moppeh

So basically you're saying that this never would have happened if it wasn't for the US? Everyone would live in peace if not for the US? Typical pacifist. Didn't really help France in WW2 did it?

If you live in the US and don't like it you should move to Canada. Then again, they seem to have tougher immigration laws then we do, so you may have to wait.

Spare me the "yer not a patriot omg lol" garbage.

It's pretty obvious, isn't it? Singling these countries out as "evil" is only going to make them more paranoid towards the west, and drive their desire to protect themselves, especially since there's already a check next to Iraq on the "Axis of Evil ©®™" list. One down, two to go.

The Experiment · 08-03-2006, 11:34 AM

I'm not surprised that Iran and North Korea are working together. In fact, the alliance makes perfect sense but not for any "Axis of Evil" bull**** that the Bush regime has spun for us.

North Korea needs food and oil. In 2005, they banned foreign aid rice and provisions. The propaganda claims that its because they're able to make good harvests now but I think its because they're getting tired of foreign nations running around in their country. Too many gloom and doom reports keep surfacing (which is correct) and I imagine this weighs heavily on Kim Jong-il.

With joint ventures with Iran, they're able to trade weaponry for oil. Kim will need that oil to get tractors back to running...as well as tanks and other military vehicles. Iran will want to use Pyongyang as a base also in case there is an American invasion. Kim Jong-il has stated that he will not die without others being taken with him. If any forces steps onto North Korean soil, the whole East Asia will be reduced to a nuclear wasteland. Which means that the US and other international forces will likely back off, giving more strength to both North Korea and Iran.

Not surprised Pakistan and China are joining in. As much as everyone likes to make fun of Kim Jong-il for being insane, he sure knows how to make the correct decisions to keep him and his brutal regime in power.

moppeh · 08-03-2006, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by coontang

Spare me the "yer not a patriot omg lol" garbage.

It's pretty obvious, isn't it? Singling these countries out as "evil" is only going to make them more paranoid towards the west, and drive their desire to protect themselves, especially since there's already a check next to Iraq on the "Axis of Evil ©®™" list. One down, two to go.

Yes, I'm sure after the "Axis of Evil" speech is when they first started to hate us and desire to destroy us and Israel. Before that speech everything was fine. Dang it!

Vargas · 08-03-2006, 11:59 AM

I think it's an excellent idea for them to work together and exchange ideas on weapons. It will be a matter of time before the American and Israeli Terrorists attack the sovereign nation of Iran so naturally, Iran must be prepared to send these **** Stains back where they come from...hopefully in bodybags by the truckloads! One can only HOPE!

coontang · 08-03-2006, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by moppeh

Yes, I'm sure after the "Axis of Evil" speech is when they first started to hate us and desire to destroy us and Israel. Before that speech everything was fine. Dang it!

You're dense. I didn't say that. I said the axis of evil rhetoric is helping fuel their desire to arm themselves to defend against a perceived threat.

moppeh · 08-03-2006, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by coontang

You're dense. I didn't say that. I said the axis of evil rhetoric is helping fuel their desire to arm themselves to defend against a perceived threat.

Even before the axis of evil rhetoric they were attempting to develop nuclear technology, hence the speech to begin with. The disire was already there and the rhetoric probably didn't do much to fuel an already determined madman. The problem is you are not thinking like they do, you are thinking like you would in the US. In other words, they have a different mindset and overall mentality than you or I so the way you would react to a situation is different from their reaction.

You're only 20, give yourself a few years and I'm sure you'll drop that athiest, liberal mentality.

Inev · 08-03-2006, 01:25 PM

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to coontang again."

I dont remember the last time i repped you, but i just must really like your posts

anyhow, i agree with you. Labeling another country as evil does VERY little to improve forign relations. It is far easier to manipulate someone with kindness and bribery. Try it next time your at the bar, tell the biggest guy you can find to go and buy you a beer or your going to kick his ass. Or you can try being nicer about it, maybe he still wont buy you a beer, but he is probably not gonna kill you either.

not saying that this is the best approach to NK, because Kim is Krazy. But i do believe while we aren't at war we should do everything possible to improve relations so that we may have more control over what they do. Sitting back and slandering them and calling them evil isn't going to get us very far at all.

I personaly would like the US to get involved so we can help the people of NK. Because aren't doing so hot right now from what i read. Maybe accidently beach a giant rice ship on their cost or something

Inev · 08-03-2006, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by moppeh

You're only 20, give yourself a few years and I'm sure you'll drop that athiest, liberal mentality.

To be honest intelligence doesnt come with age

not trying to insult you, but there are some retarded old people too

anyhoo, i am interested in how you think their mindset differs. I know very little about korean culture but would like to know more

Also, NK never had good relations with the US to begin with. Formed after a brutal war against the US and SK it is clear their feelings for us have never been that great. US has always been against communism, and pretty much everything NK has ever been.

anywayz, tough situation at best. because you really dont want to help them get nukes, but that is really the only thing they want . . . along with the ability to put them on long range missles . . . I just really dont think being hostile towards them right now is the right way to go (unless of course you care to fill me in about korean culture

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coontang · 08-03-2006, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by moppeh

Even before the axis of evil rhetoric they were attempting to develop nuclear technology, hence the speech to begin with. The disire was already there and the rhetoric probably didn't do much to fuel an already determined madman. The problem is you are not thinking like they do, you are thinking like you would in the US. In other words, they have a different mindset and overall mentality than you or I so the way you would react to a situation is different from their reaction.

Maybe you have a few years on me, but it seems have something you don't have: common sense. If you have an already paranoid wacko running a country, what good does it do to reinforce his beliefs by labeling his country "evil" hence, the enemy?

What Bush said is no different than Ahmadinejad talking **** about Israel. All this agressive posturing and calling countries "evil" only lends crediblity to Tehran's anti-US government, and gives them more support from their citizens. It allows them to tell their citizens, "See? The US is against you. We're on your side."

That's why I made the self-fulfilling prophecy post. Why would our government act this way unless they want to make war against these countries? That's an honest question. I find it pretty scary.