Your guide to dietary fats

[dance2trance]

Dietary fats are important nutrients, like dietary proteins and carbohydrates, are required for the proper functioning of the body and are essential for a healthy lifestyle on a whole. Fats are a much maligned nutrient in the eye of the general public. This is much due to the presentation of scientific evidence that certain types of fats have been linked to cardiovascular problems. Overweightindividuals may colloquially
label themselves 'fat', which further sheds negative light on dietary fats, and promotes diets which are very low in fat and food choices which are likewise advertised (some may recall the 'fat phobia era' of the 80's and early 90's, when the message that fats were bad, and that fats make you fat, was ingrained into the minds of many by the media and press. However, no distinction of was made between the various types of fat, at least to average person who hadnt studied anything to do with nutrition in their education. Many food companies flourished during this time as this allowed for the market boom in 'fat free' supermarket foods, where consumers would buy a supermarket item if it was labelled '99% fat free!', without even perusing the nutritional information and ingredients list.

While 1g of fat contributes approx 9 cals to one's diet. One must not seek to eliminate the intake of fats from their diet. In order to support this assertion, one must understand that fats are a broad range of nutrients, and NOT all types of fats are 'bad'. Below is brief description of different types of fats, without the science.

i) MONOUNSATURATED FAT
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Monounsaturated fats are considered the most healthy of the 3 types of general fats (monounsaturated, polyunsaturated and saturated). Both monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fats tend to lower the levels of blood cholesterol.
Oils which are high in monounsaturated fat are the preferred oils for cooking because monounsaturated fats tend to remain stable under cooking temperatures and much less likely to become saturated.

The highest sources of monounsaturated fats are:
-Olive Oil
-Rapeseed Oil (canola)
-Nuts
-Avocado

ii) POLYUNSATURATED FAT
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Whilst polyunsaturated fats are considered healthier than saturated fat, they aren't considered as healthy as monounsaturated fats because scientific studies have indicated that polyunsaturated fats not only lower 'bad cholesterol' but also lower the levels of 'good cholesterol'.

Polyunsaturated fats are found in vegetable oils such as:
-Safflower
-Corn
-Sunflower
-Soybean

iii) SATURATED FAT
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Research has shown that out of the 3 general types of fats, saturated fats are the most harmful. It has been shown that they lead to an increase in cholesterol levels in the blood. This is of clinical importance because high levels of cholesterol may give rise to the build-up of fatty plaques on the walls of the body's major arteries. As plaque builds up, the circumference of the affected artery is narrowed, leading to the reduction in blood flow. This increases chances of:
-Embolisms
-Ischemias
-Coronary Heart Disease
-Heart attack
-Stroke
*All related

Saturated fats also reduce insulin sensitivity. Insulin sensitivity is how sensitive your muscles are to the insulin hormone. The role of insulin is to trigger the storage of sugars and amino acids into the muscles and liver. When insulin sensitivity is reduced, the muscle cells aren't as likely to allow for the storage of sugars and amino acids. So...reduced insulin sensitivity leads to increase sugar levels in the blood, which in-turn may lead to diabetes.

It is very hard to eliminate saturated fats from your diet completly, so have them in moderation.
Saturated fats can be found in:
-Pastries
-Palm Oil
-Coconut Oil
-Bacon
-Cakes

The full relationship between saturated fats and heart disease has yet to be uncovered.

iv) OMEGA-3 FATTY ACIDS (aka Alpha Linolenic Acid)
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Omega-3 fatty acids belong to the family of 'essential fatty acids' (omega-3 and 6). Found in polyunsaturated fats.
It has been reported that Omega-3 fatty acids are good for:
-Anti-inflammatory (it clots blood)
-Improving insulin sensitivity
-Absorption of vitamins B and C
-Joints
-Energy production
-Suppressing cortisol production
-Improve skin texture
-Promote growth
-Increase metabolic rate
-Help burn fat

“At levels above 12 or 15% of total calories, they increase the rate of metabolic reactions in the body and the increased rate burns more fat into carbon dioxide, water and energy (heat), resulting in fat burn off and loss of excess weight.” - Udo Erasmus (the world expert on oils) from his book "Fats That Heal, Fats That Kill"

A recent British documentary that was set in a primary school has led to the hypothesis that Omega-3 fatty acids may lead to an increase in brain function, and improving concentration and recall. This is only a hypothesis and that no scientific research has been presented or performed (if anyone knows of data supporting or refuting this, please let us know)

A study in the Journal of the Americal Medical Association found that women who ate five or more portions of fish every week cut their risk of having a certain type of stroke by one-third, compared to women who ate fish once a month or less.

Omega-3 fatty acids can be found in:
-Flax oil
-Rapeseed oil (canola)
-Pumpkin seeds
-Walnuts
-Oily fish
-Almonds

v) OMEGA-6 FATTY ACIDS (aka Alpha Linoleic Acid)
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In terms of its benefits, some of those listed for omega-3 fatty acids apply for omega-6 fatty acids also. Found in polyunsaturated fats.

Sources of Omega-6 Essential Fatty Acids
-Safflower oil - the richest natural source
-Sunflower oil
-Corn oil
-Sesame oil
-Wheatgerm oil
-Evening Primrose oil


Omega-6 and Omega-3 essential fatty acids are best consumed in a ratio of about 3:1 - three omega-6 for one omega-3.

vi) OMEGA-9 FATTY ACIDS (aka Oleic Acid and Stearic Acid)
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Omega-9 is a non-essential fatty acid because it is produced naturally by the body. are found in monounsaturated fats.
Omega-9 is mainly used when there is an insufficiency of either omega-3, omega-6 or both. When the body doesn't have enough omega-3 or omega-6, it tries to compensate by producing omega-9 fatty acids to take their place. Omega-9 derivatives aren't as effective as omega-3 or omega-6 though and health will eventually suffer.

vii) TRANS FATTY ACIDS
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These fatty acids have only come to light recently as a type of fatty acid that is potentially bad for health.
Trans fatty acids arise from the process of 'hydrogenation', which is a process which food manufacturers undertake to prolong the shelf life of their products, because fats naturally go rancid very quickly. Hence, hydrogenated and partially hydrogenated fats are 'processed fats'. Hydrogenation and partial hydrogenation of an unsaturated fat causes the fat to acquire the dangerous properties of a saturated fat.

Trans-fats also interfere with the proper immune system functioning and essential fatty acids

Trans-fatty-acids are commonly found in:
-Margarines
-Spreads
-Baked goods (biscuits, doughnuts, pastries)
-Fried foods
-Refined vegetable oils

Food companies ARE NOT required to list the amount of trans-fatty-acids in the nutritional data tables of their products.
A product CAN be low in cholesterol and saturated fat, yet contain high amounts of harmful trans-fatty-acids.

In the way that companies mislead consumers with labels of '99% fat free' etc., companies are also labelling some of their products as 'free of trans fat'. However, companies ARE required to list all of the ingredients on the packaging of a particular product. This is where the misrepresenation lies. Trans-fat is another way of saying 'Hydrogenated fat' or 'Partially hydrogenated fat', but how many people are aware of this?

ISS Oh Yeah! protein bars are labelled with "No trans fat!" on the front. Yet, look deep into the list of ingredients and you will find listed: "Peanut Butter (...Partially Hydrogenated Vegetable Oil {Rapeseed and Cottonseed Oil}...)"
(Tip: Get used to reading the nutritional data and ingredients list of any packaged food product you buy)

Final comments
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Why should you always have a little "good fat" in your diet?
A zero or low fat diet:
1. Puts you into the starvation zone
2. Causes large fluctuations in blood sugar
3. Causes greater insulin release
4. Causes hormonally related hunger and cravings
5. Reduces testosterone. Low dietary fat levels are correlated with low testosterone levels
6. Can be deficient in essential fatty acids

Why a high fat diet is no good?
1. Fat is more calorie dense than any other source of calories
2. Fats have the lowest thermic effect of all foods
3. Saturated and processed fats (trans-fatty acids) cause serious health problems
4. A high fat diet doesn’t leave room for enough protein or carbohydrates
5. Saturated fats reduce insulin sensitivity
6. Dietary fat gets stored more easily as fat than any other nutrient
7. Dietary fat is not an efficient fuel source for high intensity muscular work
8. Large amounts of dietary fat do not assist muscle growth

It is recommended that 10-20% of your calories come from fats
Have fats and fatty foods in moderation

-Although alot of the information was written by myself, big chunks have been taken from Tom Venuto's book "Burn the muscle, Feed the fat" and annecollins.com
-Please discuss the topic, there will be a few people who want to debate some of the points in this thread. i GREATLY welcome this.
-If anyone has evidence to refute anything that i mentioned above, please post

[dance2trance]

i'll be using this to quote from when answering people's questions on dietary fats...i just realised how long it takes to read the whole thing

[haiz69]

Generally I like it, yet I think you paint a rather unfair picture of saturated fats and high fat diets. You also fail to mention that Omega 6's are usually (thanks to veg. oils, etc..) consumed in an unbalanced ratio to Omega 3's in the average diet, and in turn are not beneficial.

Now:

Why a high fat diet is no good?
1. Fat is more calorie dense than any other source of calories

---Yes, it is. It also keeps you full for longer, and gives you sustained energy throughout the day.

2. Fats have the lowest thermic effect of all foods

---I guess I never thought about this. If others would like to chime in, that would be appreciated. I consider it a rather small point.

3. Saturated and processed fats (trans-fatty acids) cause serious health problems

--- If you take out saturated fat, and substitute sugars, processed carbs, etc.., that statement becomes very true.

4. A high fat diet doesn’t leave room for enough protein or carbohydrates.

--- This statement is just silly. Unless 90% of your calories come from fat, then you have plenty of room for other nutrients. Most high fat diets tend to limit carbs, in an attempt to achieve Ketosis. Yes you are restricting them, but it is done on purpose. All high fat diets (that are thought out) leave plenty of room for protein. A 40/30/30 diet (zone I believe) is a great layout, and leaves room for carbs too! How about that.

5. Saturated fats reduce insulin sensitivity

---I know people on Keto diets (on these forums) who have reversed the onset of diabetes from following a high fat diet.


6. Dietary fat gets stored more easily as fat than any other nutrient.

---Sure, if you eat it next to a huge plate of processed carbs and sugar! Fat won't spike your insulin.


7. Dietary fat is not an efficient fuel source for high intensity muscular work.

---Plenty of people here will disagree with you. Myself being one of them. I can crank through workouts when I'm low carb. I'm guessing you have never tried?

8. Large amounts of dietary fat do not assist muscle growth.

---I bulk better with carbs than on a Keto diet, but I still bulk with a 40/30/30 diet, and it adds less fat, and the same amount of muscle as bulking with lowered fat and more carbs. I do think some carbs are required to add large amounts of muscle, but not in the skewed proportions that I'm used to seeing around here. I think 40/40/20 is plenty of carbs, and I know that I personally do much better on 40/30/30.

[haiz69]

Originally Posted by dance2trance

The full relationship between saturated fats and heart disease has yet to be uncovered.

Yes! - It has been blamed for all of the problems related to trans fat. The human body, in the absence of saturated fat, will just make saturated fatty acids form carbohydrates. That makes it seem pretty necessary to me.

[dance2trance]

Why should you always have a little "good fat" in your diet?
A zero or low fat diet:
1. Puts you into the starvation zone
2. Causes large fluctuations in blood sugar
3. Causes greater insulin release
4. Causes hormonally related hunger and cravings
5. Reduces testosterone. Low dietary fat levels are correlated with low testosterone levels
6. Can be deficient in essential fatty acids

Why a high fat diet is no good?
1. Fat is more calorie dense than any other source of calories
2. Fats have the lowest thermic effect of all foods
3. Saturated and processed fats (trans-fatty acids) cause serious health problems
4. A high fat diet doesn’t leave room for enough protein or carbohydrates
5. Saturated fats reduce insulin sensitivity
6. Dietary fat gets stored more easily as fat than any other nutrient
7. Dietary fat is not an efficient fuel source for high intensity muscular work
8. Large amounts of dietary fat do not assist muscle growth

Haiz69. Thanks for your critique of that this part that ive quoted. This section was taken directly from Tom Venuto's book: Burn the fat, feed the muscle. It is an excellent resource for dietary and exercise for those who want to burn fat and build muscle.
Whilst i dont agree with every single thing that i posted, it doesnt mean that it isnt correct just because i dont agree with it. Furthermore, I didnt add any scientific evidence to the post because alot of people wouldnt understand it, and it would make the thread too long to be posted

Originally Posted by haiz69

3. Saturated and processed fats (trans-fatty acids) cause serious health problems

--- If you take out saturated fat, and substitute sugars, processed carbs, etc.., that statement becomes very true.

Scientific evidence has shown a clear relationship between saturated fat and cardiovascular problems, possibly leading to ischemia, myocardial infarction (heart attack) and cerebral infarction (stroke)...Are you saying these arent serious health problems?

Originally Posted by haiz69

4. A high fat diet doesn’t leave room for enough protein or carbohydrates.

--- This statement is just silly. Unless 90% of your calories come from fat, then you have plenty of room for other nutrients. Most high fat diets tend to limit carbs, in an attempt to achieve Ketosis. Yes you are restricting them, but it is done on purpose. All high fat diets (that are thought out) leave plenty of room for protein. A 40/30/30 diet (zone I believe) is a great layout, and leaves room for carbs too! How about that.

Again, this part of my post came from Tom Venuto's book. And i think he meant that a high fat diet doesnt leave room for enough protein or carbohydrates on a calorie controlled diet . His statement is not "silly" as you have described it.
A high fat diet may be one where only 35% of calories comes from fats (as opposed to 90%). Lets say that I am on a controlled diet of 2200 calories and weighed 190lbs. 35% of this would be 770 calories. You are left with 1430 calories. If we use a model similar to the 40/30/30, it would be a 30/35/35 (30% protein, 35% carbs and 35% fat) in our case. 30% of 2200cals is 660 cals, which equates to 165 gram of protein. For someone weighing 190lbs, doing cardio and lifting weights with the long-term aim to burn fat and retaining/building muscle, do you believe only 165g of protein each day is enough? (remember he is having a high fat diet of 35% fat calories). Certainly not in my experience, and in the experience of others. So although this statement isnt true 100% of the time, it does hold truth to an extent. I'm not debating whether ketogenic diets are good or not for weight loss, I'm just sticking up for this statement from Tom Venuto's book.

Originally Posted by haiz69

5. Saturated fats reduce insulin sensitivity

---I know people on Keto diets (on these forums) who have reversed the onset of diabetes from following a high fat diet.

Saturated fats arent the deciding factor of how sensitive muscles are to insulin. There are many factors. If you know people who have reduced the onset of diabetes with a diet high in saturated fat, it may not be due to the fact that their diet is high in saturated fat, there could be other reasons. For eg. people on keto diets are more likely to do more exercise than people who dont take care of their diet. Exercise and weight loss (with low sugar diet) are the first things recommended by a doctor for a type-1 diabetic (non-insulin dependant) to help control blood-glucose levels.

Originally Posted by haiz69

6. Dietary fat gets stored more easily as fat than any other nutrient.

---Sure, if you eat it next to a huge plate of processed carbs and sugar! Fat won't spike your insulin.

Yeah you're right, fats dont give an insulin spike, but an increase in concentrations of fatty acids within the blood triggers lipase enzymes to convert the fatty acids into a fat molecule (triacylglycerols) for storage. Besides, triacylglycerols (stored fat) are made of 3 fatty acids and a glycerol molecule. So...isnt it easier to make a triacylglycerol if you had fatty acids as opposed to carbs? Of course, carbohydrates can be converted to fatty acids but this requires work by the liver to do so. These are the reasons why fat gets stored more easily as fat than any other nutrient.

Originally Posted by haiz69

7. Dietary fat is not an efficient fuel source for high intensity muscular work.

---Plenty of people here will disagree with you. Myself being one of them. I can crank through workouts when I'm low carb. I'm guessing you have never tried?

I disagree with this myself. And I'm on a low carb diet. Like i said, just because I dont believe it doesnt mean it is wrong. I added this because it was part of the whole set of points from Tom Venuto's book in that section. This is a very well respected book, but its not 100% right 100% of the time.
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[R. Belmonte]

Originally Posted by dance2trance

Scientific evidence has shown a clear relationship between saturated fat and cardiovascular problems, possibly leading to ischemia, myocardial infarction (heart attack) and cerebral infarction (stroke)...Are you saying these arent serious health problems?

Here's some articles that paint a different picture:

Dietary fat intake and early mortality patterns--data from The Malmo Diet and Cancer Study.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract

Dietary fats, carbohydrate, and progression of coronary atherosclerosis in postmenopausal women
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/80/5/1175

Animal Protein, Animal Fat, and Cholesterol Intakes and Risk of Cerebral Infarction Mortality in the Adult Health Study
http://stroke.ahajournals.org/cgi/co...full/35/7/1531

Saturated fats: what dietary intake?
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/80/3/550

[Slimshady01]

Yea no offense man but your post on fats is the same crap that we have heard over the last 20 years. Why is it heart disease and diabetes are increasing every single year in the US when everyone now watches their fat intake. Doesnt make sense to me. Look at all the different cultures across the globe that follow high fat low carb diets. They are virtually free of all diseases as well as diabetes.

Here is a great article that makes a ton of sense:

Before 1920 coronary heart disease was rare in America; so rare that when a young internist named Paul Dudley White introduced the German electrocardiograph to his colleagues at Harvard University, they advised him to concentrate on a more profitable branch of medicine. The new machine revealed the presence of arterial blockages, thus permitting early diagnosis of coronary heart disease. But in those days clogged arteries were a medical rarity, and White had to search for patients who could benefit from his new technology. During the next forty years, however, the incidence of coronary heart disease rose dramatically, so much so that by the mid fifties heart disease was the leading cause of death among Americans. Today heart disease causes at least 40% of all US deaths. If, as we have been told, heart disease results from the consumption of saturated fats, one would expect to find a corresponding increase in animal fat in the American diet. Actually, the reverse is true. During the sixty-year period from 1910 to 1970, the proportion of traditional animal fat in the American diet declined from 83% to 62%, and butter consumption plummeted from eighteen pounds per person per year to four. During the past eighty years, dietary cholesterol intake has increased only 1%. During the same period the percentage of dietary vegetable oils in the form of margarine, shortening and refined oils increased about 400% while the consumption of sugar and processed foods increased about 60%

[Slimshady01]

Originally Posted by R. Belmonte

Here's some articles that paint a different picture:

Dietary fat intake and early mortality patterns--data from The Malmo Diet and Cancer Study.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract

Dietary fats, carbohydrate, and progression of coronary atherosclerosis in postmenopausal women
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/80/5/1175

Animal Protein, Animal Fat, and Cholesterol Intakes and Risk of Cerebral Infarction Mortality in the Adult Health Study
http://stroke.ahajournals.org/cgi/co...full/35/7/1531

Saturated fats: what dietary intake?
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/80/3/550

Good links man. This kind of post is why coronary heart disease is the number one killer in the US. People need to start eating like we used to hundreds of years ago when heart disease was unheard of.

[bodybuilder45]

Originally Posted by haiz69

2. Fats have the lowest thermic effect of all foods

---I guess I never thought about this. If others would like to chime in, that would be appreciated. I consider it a rather small point.

this is not true concerning medium chain triglycerides (MCT's) which are popular in some meal replacement/weight gainer formulas. fats from coconut are rich in MCT's and although considered as a saturated fat, they are still considered healthy by the nutrition community. they also contain great thermogenic properties making the above statement false. MCT's are readily used as energy and very little(if any) is stored as fat from my understanding. this will of course depend on the rest of your diet.

[dance2trance]

hey everyone, thanks for all your replies! I'm glad this post has been able to gather at least some interest. I concluded at the end of my original post that there will be people who think differently and have evidence AGAINST the things that i posted, which is exactly what im looking for. I was never likely to be 100% correct, and was hoping people would discuss some of the points in the original post with some evidence. Cheers guys. Keep up the discussion .

ps. Great links slim

[haiz69]

Originally Posted by dance2trance

A high fat diet may be one where only 35% of calories comes from fats (as opposed to 90%). Lets say that I am on a controlled diet of 2200 calories and weighed 190lbs. 35% of this would be 770 calories. You are left with 1430 calories. If we use a model similar to the 40/30/30, it would be a 30/35/35 (30% protein, 35% carbs and 35% fat) in our case. 30% of 2200cals is 660 cals, which equates to 165 gram of protein. For someone weighing 190lbs, doing cardio and lifting weights with the long-term aim to burn fat and retaining/building muscle, do you believe only 165g of protein each day is enough? (remember he is having a high fat diet of 35% fat calories). Certainly not in my experience, and in the experience of others. So although this statement isnt true 100% of the time, it does hold truth to an extent. I'm not debating whether ketogenic diets are good or not for weight loss, I'm just sticking up for this statement from Tom Venuto's book.

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The fault I see with your argument is that if a person, weighing 190 lbs, was doing cardio and lifting weights, he would, in most cases be taking in more calories than 2200. Adding 25 grams of protein (only 100 calories), brings that individual up to 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight.

[Slimshady01]

Originally Posted by dance2trance

hey everyone, thanks for all your replies! I'm glad this post has been able to gather at least some interest. I concluded at the end of my original post that there will be people who think differently and have evidence AGAINST the things that i posted, which is exactly what im looking for. I was never likely to be 100% correct, and was hoping people would discuss some of the points in the original post with some evidence. Cheers guys. Keep up the discussion .

ps. Great links slim

cool you're keeping your mind open to much of the newer evidence supporting saturated and mostly all fats "minus alot of veggie oils".

Did you read those links that were posted? Also do a search yourself on different cultures that have followed high fat diets "low carb". You will be amazed to see the health they were in and how they are not plagued by are typical western diseases.

I don’t know anyone that has gotten fat by following high fat diets or been in risk of any health conditions. The problem is when people follow a high fat high carb diet. In my opinion carbs is what brings the onset of heart disease and diabetes. Our bodies were not meant to be pounded with all the refined carbs and soft drinks and Twinkies. The constant spiking of our insulin throughout the day is what will cause us to be insulin resistant which can lead to diabetes and many other health problems.


I have done a ton of research on people who consume mostly fats in their diet and have a hard time finding any adverse effects.

One study published by the New England Journal of Medicine looked at a man who ate 25 eggs a day for like the last 40 years of his life. This man was 6-2 184lbs packed with muscle. His cholesterol and blood lipid profile was perfect.
But what have we heard over the years? Stay away from whole eggs because of the fat and cholesterol they contain.

[nukLhed]

Looks to me like the cholesterol lowering effects of unsaturated fats should cancel-out the cholesterol raising effects of saturated fats. Level playing field.

I'll just cut the hydroginated crap.

[Slimshady01]

Originally Posted by nukLhed

Looks to me like the cholesterol lowering effects of unsaturated fats should cancel-out the cholesterol raising effects of saturated fats. Level playing field.

I'll just cut the hydroginated crap.

Yea definitely cut out the trans fat but i would stay away from alot of Polyunsaturated fats like veggie oil "not omega 3 polys". We get way to much omega 6 in our diet which is not good. We should have at least a 2:1 ratio with omega 6/omega 3. Unfortunately us americans consume more along the lines of 50:1 ratio of n6 to n3s.

[nukLhed]

Originally Posted by Slimshady01

Yea definitely cut out the trans fat but i would stay away from alot of Polyunsaturated fats like veggie oil "not omega 3 polys". We get way to much omega 6 in our diet which is not good. We should have at least a 2:1 ratio with omega 6/omega 3. Unfortunately us americans consume more along the lines of 50:1 ratio of n6 to n3s.

Thanks slim...

I was talking to my wife about this last night, and we could not understand how HER skippy says "No Trans Fat", but the second ingredient is partially hydroginated oil. WTF? On the "No Trans Fat" label there is an asterisk with a note that says "per serving". What is the minimum amount that must be reported? It's obvious that "No Trans Fat" doesn't mean "Zero Trans Fat".

Thanks

[Struct09]

Originally Posted by nukLhed

Thanks slim...

I was talking to my wife about this last night, and we could not understand how HER skippy says "No Trans Fat", but the second ingredient is partially hydroginated oil. WTF? On the "No Trans Fat" label there is an asterisk with a note that says "per serving". What is the minimum amount that must be reported? It's obvious that "No Trans Fat" doesn't mean "Zero Trans Fat".

Thanks

If the serving size has less than 0.5g of trans fat per serving, the FDA lets them label it as 0g, and as such you see a lot of "0g Trans Fat!" labels. Personally I feel this needs to be changed, it is completely misleading.

[Slimshady01]

Originally Posted by Struct09

If the serving size has less than 0.5g of trans fat per serving, the FDA lets them label it as 0g, and as such you see a lot of "0g Trans Fat!" labels. Personally I feel this needs to be changed, it is completely misleading.

Yup, i tried telling my sister this who feeds her kids peanut butter. But she doesnt carer since it says 0 trans fat on the label. I dont want any trans fats, i dont care if it is only .05 in a tablespoon. Thats to much for me.

[dance2trance]

Originally Posted by Slimshady01

cool you're keeping your mind open to much of the newer evidence supporting saturated and mostly all fats "minus alot of veggie oils".

Did you read those links that were posted? Also do a search yourself on different cultures that have followed high fat diets "low carb". You will be amazed to see the health they were in and how they are not plagued by are typical western diseases.

Yeah...i have to be open to newer evidence and research in general (im a biomedical student, my course is all about research).

Those links were great cheers, many nutritionists still preach that saturated fats are bad but i guess it depends on whether they keep up with current research or not...then again it generally isnt certain whether or not saturated fats are bad for health or not (but widely accepted in the community that thet are)