Conflicting Views (Dbol/TestE) / (Dbol/Winny)

[Khorask]

Ive been a long time reader, 22yrs old & been training for around 5 years... was planning my first cycle to see what kind of gains I could get.
Ive been reading alot of threads on and off this site as well as talking to the owner of my gym (3 times amature mr australia) and there are alot of conflicting views... What I was looking for is people views on the following but also explainations on why 'x' is better or stupid etc.

I have a limited income and planned on DBol and TestE over about 6/8 weeks (Nolva P/C) which Ive read is a half decent first cycle. I dont really want to get the 'puffy' look and I was adviced to try Dbol/winny instead (non oral winny).

Any advice on the Dbol/Winny cycle ? aswell as dosage ? Or should I keep reading

Thanks

[TheGreekGod]

Originally Posted by Khorask

Ive been a long time reader, 22yrs old & been training for around 5 years... was planning my first cycle to see what kind of gains I could get.
Ive been reading alot of threads on and off this site as well as talking to the owner of my gym (3 times amature mr australia) and there are alot of conflicting views... What I was looking for is people views on the following but also explainations on why 'x' is better or stupid etc.

I have a limited income and planned on DBol and TestE over about 6/8 weeks (Nolva P/C) which Ive read is a half decent first cycle. I dont really want to get the 'puffy' look and I was adviced to try Dbol/winny instead (non oral winny).

Any advice on the Dbol/Winny cycle ? aswell as dosage ? Or should I keep reading

First, running both dbol and winny will stress the liver even though the winny is injectable, it's still a 17aa steroid. 2nd, you will get bloat w/ dbol/winny combo. 3rd, dbol/test-e for 6-8 weeks is not really long enough. I would run the dbol at 30-35mg the first 4 weeks and I'd run the test-e @ 500mg for 10 weeks. Expect some bloat w/ that cycle.

[drew]

Dbol will generally give you the puffy look no matter what. you could try an AI but that kind of defeats the purpose of using dbol IMHO.

The test will also bloat you, but not as much as the dbol. and drake said, the double oral cycle is a bad idea.