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Old 05-27-2006, 11:02 AM   #1
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I Need Help With My Cutting Routine.

I'm 18, 5'9, 185-190 pounds at the moment.. 14-16% BF.

Looking to come down to about 10% BF while keeping as much muscle mass as possible.

My diet used to suck and although it has improved, i still need a complete revision of it. I eat like 2 meals a day and they pretty much suck (my caloric intake is way below what it should be). Lately when i've been trying it's been about 4-5 meals a day (4 decent 1 small) and 1-2 protein shakes a day (low in carb high in protein and low in calorie.. i can get the stats on it later).

I need a meal plan layout while keeping in mind im on a budget and don't want to get too funky with cooking. I tried eating eggs for breakfast but that didnt workout.. I usually end up with like a granola bar for breakfast or some fruit + protein shake.

Lunch is usually my main meal and when i go out i try to keep it to something like Wendies chili as it's relatively high in protein and carbs aren't too massive. My next meal would be after school where i'd try to eat a can of chicken (which is low in calories and carbs but massive in protein) or a can of tuna. Dinner is more-a-less non existent and if i get hungry at night i eat some cottage cheese or something small + shake after workout on workout days.

In my last cutting attempt i dropped 7.5 pounds in about 3 weeks (which is alright as i read at my weight it's healthy to drop 2 pounds a week). The problem is my strength went down at the gym and im pretty sure a bunch of the loss was muscle mass.

Regardless i just got back from senior prom a few days back (which threw me off completely as it was consecutive days of partying which i haven't done since september..)

*edit - forgot to throw in i do cardio - running at the track, usually 2 times a week for 30+ minutes 1-2 miles... usually a mile at constant heart rate and then 1 mile sprints (which i've read can impair fat loss as it's over your target BPM.. is this true?)

So basically what i'm looking for is
1. a concrete routine for maintaining muscle mass while losing body fat (im assuming lower weight, higher reps)

2. supplements to take (im assuming whey with low calories and low carbs, questionable on NO products / creatine, multivitamin?, and i've been doing research on ephedra although i don't mind building a strong basis of a proper diet before i leap to that, but don't get me wrong fast results are cool as well... as long as minimal physical damage is done :-p) .

3. A meal layout plan

4. possibly someone with similar stats as i who has completed a successful clean cutting phase, or is in one now? (i've searched logs and haven't found anyone..)


- thanks in advance.
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Old 05-28-2006, 09:13 AM   #2
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Old 05-30-2006, 11:18 AM   #3
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i don't understand.. is my question that hard to answer? did i not provide enough information? or perhaps it's to basic to answer that no one wants to bother?

do you need more information? just give me a reply to show someone is alive and has read this (the views show quite a bunch of you)... A PM will do fine as well?


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Old 05-30-2006, 11:56 AM   #4
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LOL, most people get sick of answering the same question over and over, you just were unlucky and posted at a time when 5 other people asked the same question.

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I'm 18, 5'9, 185-190 pounds at the moment.. 14-16% BF.
I started at 5’10 202ish and 23% bf, got down to 6-7% in around 6-7 months, now I’m about 200 12% bf and cutting. So read through my journal for some pointers.

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1. a concrete routine for maintaining muscle mass while losing body fat (im assuming lower weight, higher reps)
I used max-ot, and IMO you should stick with high weight low reps, read up though and decide for yourself

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=316377

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2. supplements to take (im assuming whey with low calories and low carbs, questionable on NO products / creatine, multivitamin?, and i've been doing research on ephedra although i don't mind building a strong basis of a proper diet before i leap to that, but don't get me wrong fast results are cool as well... as long as minimal physical damage is done :-p) .
don’t take ephedra, whey, multi-vitamin, glutamine, fishoil, flax oil are the important ones.

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3. A meal layout plan
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...47&postcount=4
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=533405
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=798027
if you are very serious I would recommend buying or finding a copy of ”Burn the Fat Feed the Muscle” which has helped a great many people on this forum including myself.
www.burnthefat.com

also might help to skim through this stuff. Good luck, feel free to ask me questions—LQ

My generic response to all posts that say “hey I’m new here and need some help can anyone give me the basics?”

First read the stickies:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=538637
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=301683
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=81315

Now read posts about diet and nutrition. the nutrition forum would be a good place to post your ideas about what you’re going to eat.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...47&postcount=4
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=533405
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=798027
if you are very serious I would recommend buying or finding a copy of ”Burn the Fat Feed the Muscle” which has helped a great many people on this forum including myself.
www.burnthefat.com

read up on different workouts.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=316377
I personally do Max-ot but you should do a more basic workout to get used to working out and strengthen your tendons first. Don’t jump into something to fast.

Now try and understand cardio and it’s purpose:
Basically the rule is:

**YOU ARE DOING TO MUCH CARDIO IF YOU COULD BE DOING LESS AND STILL LOSING 1-2LBS OF FAT PER WEEK**
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...5&postcount=10
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...1&postcount=35
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/betteru14.htm
http://www.teenbodybuilding.com/justin6.htm
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...ghlight=cardio

and most importantly read this, understand it and actually make a goal sheet. This will be the determining factor if you, someone new to a healthy lifestyle will actually stick with it for the long haul of get discouraged at the slightest challenge and quit.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=533405

Starvation: just read about what happens when ignorance and impatience combine…

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=513976

What’s a good way to get abs?
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...45&postcount=1

I’ve hit a fat lose plateau, what do I do I can’t lose any more weight?
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...1&postcount=35
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The Beginners Guide to FAT loss / LQ Journal:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=827373
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Old 05-30-2006, 10:47 PM   #5
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i love you in a straight way.

Edit: What i meant to say was, thanks a lot for the informative reply. Although i've already read some of these threads i appreciate it.

- thanks again.

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In all honesty I think your best course of action will be either one of three things:

1) Search these forums and other websites. Learn more about nutrition and exercise. Formulate a plan. Get started, and learn what works for you and what doesn't. Be patient, but be consistant.

2) Get an out-of-the-box, pre-built program and follow it "by the book" to get you started and help you learn more. MAX-OT, Westside, HST, 5x5, etc.

3) Hire a professional trainer and/or nutritionist. I recommend this route often even to advanced trainees. I have been working out for quite a few years and I still consult with a professional from time to time. It can be very helpful.

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My diet used to suck and although it has improved, i still need a complete revision of it. I eat like 2 meals a day and they pretty much suck (my caloric intake is way below what it should be). Lately when i've been trying it's been about 4-5 meals a day (4 decent 1 small) and 1-2 protein shakes a day (low in carb high in protein and low in calorie.. i can get the stats on it later).
You should already know that this 2 meal per day thing is bad. Eat more frequently, 6 meals a day if possible.

4-5 whole food meals and 1-2 shakes per day is absolutely fine. Can you tell us the brand of protein shake you are using?

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I need a meal plan layout while keeping in mind im on a budget and don't want to get too funky with cooking. I tried eating eggs for breakfast but that didnt workout.. I usually end up with like a granola bar for breakfast or some fruit + protein shake.
Again, I would do some searching and reading for meal and food ideas.

Eggs are not difficult. Just practice. Throw some eggs and egg white liquid into a pan, put the pan on the stove on a low to medium temperature, and keep stirring it all up. It shouldn't take more than 5-10 minutes. Toss just a bit of pepper in there too.

A protein shake + 1/2-1 grapefruit is also a decent breakfast.

I'd opt to add some oats in your breakfast myself.

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Lunch is usually my main meal and when i go out i try to keep it to something like Wendies chili as it's relatively high in protein and carbs aren't too massive. My next meal would be after school where i'd try to eat a can of chicken (which is low in calories and carbs but massive in protein) or a can of tuna. Dinner is more-a-less non existent and if i get hungry at night i eat some cottage cheese or something small + shake after workout on workout days.
You probably know that Wendy's is not the best bet if you're trying to get lean. Instead of doing that, bring some tuna and rice with you to school, or some hard boiled eggs and have some raw oats or veggies with it. Or have a meal replacement powder, or some protein powder with added ground oats and water right from a water fountain at school.

Your after-school meal is okay though I'd prefer frozen chicken over canned personally.

A non-existent dinner is a bad idea. You really need to be eating more frequently of course.

Cottage cheese at night is not only fine but it's actually pretty good. Do yourself a favor and add some fat to it, like flax seed oil, some peanuts, or some natural peanut butter.

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In my last cutting attempt i dropped 7.5 pounds in about 3 weeks (which is alright as i read at my weight it's healthy to drop 2 pounds a week). The problem is my strength went down at the gym and im pretty sure a bunch of the loss was muscle mass.
It was most likely due to a poor diet and you probably did lose some muscle mass, unfortunatly. Don't worry about that, just remember it and don't make the same mistake this time.

I would like to hear more about your training routine too by the way.

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*edit - forgot to throw in i do cardio - running at the track, usually 2 times a week for 30+ minutes 1-2 miles... usually a mile at constant heart rate and then 1 mile sprints (which i've read can impair fat loss as it's over your target BPM.. is this true?)
No, it's not true. Sprints are fine provided your nutrition is in check and provided you are not overdoing it (like an hour of sprints, twice a day, every day - that is probably too much!).

What type of weight training are you doing, if any?

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1. a concrete routine for maintaining muscle mass while losing body fat (im assuming lower weight, higher reps)
I prefer lower reps and higher weight, but it's got a lot to do with preference here. Again, I'd search around.

One thing I will say is that I believe it's a mistake to enter the gym with anything in mind other than building and maintaining muscle. Even when you're trying to cut fat, I believe you should still lift weights with the same goals in mind. You should allow your diet to determine whether or not you're trying to bulk up or cut fat.

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2. supplements to take (im assuming whey with low calories and low carbs, questionable on NO products / creatine, multivitamin?, and i've been doing research on ephedra although i don't mind building a strong basis of a proper diet before i leap to that, but don't get me wrong fast results are cool as well... as long as minimal physical damage is done :-p) .
For you I'd only use the basics. Multivitamin for sure, and perhaps a quality protein powder (maybe even a protein blend over whey-only). MAYBE a flax or fish oil supplement. I really don't think you're at a point where you should consider anything other than the basics. In fact, I consider it a waste of time and money to concern yourself with supplements before you have your diet and training in check.

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3. A meal layout plan
Not many people are going to design an entire meal layout for you (again I suggest you search around, use a prebuilt program, or hire a trainer). I will give you some basic tips, but you'll need to adjust the numbers yourself.

Here is an example:

Meal 1: Eggs, egg whites, oats, 1/2 grapefruit, multivitamin

Meal 2: Protein blend powder, natural peanut butter

Meal 3: Chicken OR fish OR lean beef OR turkey OR tuna, small serving of brown rice, 1-1.5 cup veggies

Meal 4: Same as meal 2

Meal 5: Chicken OR fish OR lean beef OR turkey OR tuna, 1-1.5 cup veggies, dry-roasted peanuts

Meal 6: Cottage cheese, flax-seed oil (mix it together)

**Drink plenty of water all day long**

THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE.
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