DT moves

Footballcoach · 05-13-2006, 04:45 PM

As a dt i usally bullrush But is there any moves besides the rips swims lubs that i could learn

RavensFan2k3 · 05-13-2006, 07:45 PM

whats a lub? You could do a butt and jerk, this is where you headbutt the guy in the head(like in the upper face mask) with the crown of your face mask and then pul him and throw him to the side.

Footballcoach · 05-13-2006, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RavensFan2k3

whats a lub? You could do a butt and jerk, this is where you headbutt the guy in the head(like in the upper face mask) with the crown of your face mask and then pul him and throw him to the side.

Ohhh i get it.

But what abou this:

You hit them in the nut and then swim them

Tcrock · 05-13-2006, 11:46 PM

Sure..if you plan to be imprisoned (Inentionally injuring a player) or buried(Retaliation from opposing player) in the near future
That's an illegal manuever my friend, you wouldnt want your Man Hood being hit would ya?

runjumpthrow · 05-14-2006, 09:59 AM

Rip is, IMO, the best technique for most high school DL. It is easy to teach, easy to learn, and highly effective if you get your elbow high and get your hips low. If you get your rip set correctly, there is only two things the OT can do. He can either hold you and get flagged or he will get beat. O good rip is one of the toughest techniques in football to defeat.

RavensFan2k3 · 05-14-2006, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by runjumpthrow

Rip is, IMO, the best technique for most high school DL. It is easy to teach, easy to learn, and highly effective if you get your elbow high and get your hips low. If you get your rip set correctly, there is only two things the OT can do. He can either hold you and get flagged or he will get beat. O good rip is one of the toughest techniques in football to defeat.

Yeah thats true, but he is asking from a DTs perspective, which means against either a center or a OG, not a OT.

Senecan · 05-14-2006, 10:16 AM

I dont know what the technique is called when you grab the OL wrist and slap it away with your other hand...i learned it at a summer camp and it worked for me pretty good because its a quick little manuever

runjumpthrow · 05-14-2006, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by RavensFan2k3

Yeah thats true, but he is asking from a DTs perspective, which means against either a center or a OG, not a OT.

What difference does it make? A rip works for every DL. We teach the rip to our DTs, NTs, and DEs. Heck, it's a great technique for LBs trying to fight off a seal or down block!

The other reason I like the rip as a DL primary move is that it is a run-first technique. Problem with the swim is that it is primarily a pass rush move. I want my DL playing run first, pass second.

TrojanSC · 05-14-2006, 11:22 AM

The swim move is, in my opinion, the worst possible move. Unless you are exceptionally skilled, a good lineman will give you a shot right in the ribs/kidneys as soon as that arm comes up and your side is unprotected. If they don't do that, they'll let you penetrate a little untill and let your forward momentum take you out of the play, giving the offense a hole that could fit a Mack truck.

RavensFan2k3 · 05-14-2006, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by runjumpthrow

What difference does it make? A rip works for every DL. We teach the rip to our DTs, NTs, and DEs. Heck, it's a great technique for LBs trying to fight off a seal or down block!

The other reason I like the rip as a DL primary move is that it is a run-first technique. Problem with the swim is that it is primarily a pass rush move. I want my DL playing run first, pass second.

No difference...I was just saying. I mean, I agree with oyou.

Footballcoach · 05-14-2006, 12:19 PM

Some good adivice.

Yes My coach makes dts Runstopers and de pass ruchers and outside contain.

I rip kinda good i think that i Dont get my hips low enough

asianalex · 05-14-2006, 12:56 PM

I actually swim a lil more then I rip, and I've faced some good o-lineman and no one has ever caught me in the ribs, the chances if you actually getting hit in the ribs on a swim move isn't as great as coaches try to make it out to be. unless of course you're ridiculously slow and you swim as if you're raising your hand in class to ask a question.

but some moves, besides a juke, rip, and swim move there really isn't much else, I dont like to spin and a lot of coaches don't want you to have your back towards the o line. honestly I played pretty dirty, I mean you're in the trenches and how I saw it was, I'm gonna win the battle up front and make the tackle, "all is fair in love and war" and that's what is goin on in the trenches, war.

MarkA15 · 05-14-2006, 12:57 PM

Does anyone have a video of what a Rip looks like? I would like to practice it. Thanks

Footballcoach · 05-14-2006, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by asianalex

I actually swim a lil more then I rip, and I've faced some good o-lineman and no one has ever caught me in the ribs, the chances if you actually getting hit in the ribs on a swim move isn't as great as coaches try to make it out to be. unless of course you're ridiculously slow and you swim as if you're raising your hand in class to ask a question.

but some moves, besides a juke, rip, and swim move there really isn't much else, I dont like to spin and a lot of coaches don't want you to have your back towards the o line. honestly I played pretty dirty, I mean you're in the trenches and how I saw it was, I'm gonna win the battle up front and make the tackle, "all is fair in love and war" and that's what is goin on in the trenches, war.

Thats the mine set of a all state lineman.

I play dirty to i just want some other moves to play around with

RavensFan2k3 · 05-14-2006, 01:41 PM

I personally rely on my bread and butter, juke and swim. I think in order for a rip to be effective, you have to be pretty strong. As a DE I was 6'4'' 205lbs. I relied on speed and agility to become an amazing pass rushing DE. My juke and swim or just my swim move is so quick...

runjumpthrow · 05-14-2006, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RavensFan2k3

I personally rely on my bread and butter, juke and swim. I think in order for a rip to be effective, you have to be pretty strong. As a DE I was 6'4'' 205lbs. I relied on speed and agility to become an amazing pass rushing DE. My juke and swim or just my swim move is so quick...

Rip is pretty good for shorter and stockier guys because they have a natural leverage advantage. It would be tough for a 6-4 guy like yourself to develop a good rip simply because of your height. Swim is a good technique for taller guys. Reason I don't like the swim is because often, a kid will get past the OL, but then will overpenetrate the line of scrimmage and run himself out of the play.

Swim is a good move if the DL swims over the shoulder instead of swimming over the helmet AND breaks down at the heels of the OL and looks for the ball.

RavensFan2k3 · 05-14-2006, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by runjumpthrow

Rip is pretty good for shorter and stockier guys because they have a natural leverage advantage. It would be tough for a 6-4 guy like yourself to develop a good rip simply because of your height. Swim is a good technique for taller guys. Reason I don't like the swim is because often, a kid will get past the OL, but then will overpenetrate the line of scrimmage and run himself out of the play.

Swim is a good move if the DL swims over the shoulder instead of swimming over the helmet AND breaks down at the heels of the OL and looks for the ball.

Yes, I understand what you are saying. Hey, btw are you a coach?

runjumpthrow · 05-14-2006, 03:23 PM

Yes. High school.

Raider62 · 05-14-2006, 04:21 PM

another move is i think the arm over where you do almost like a uper cut but you pick your arm up high but only works if they got u held good. You use the opposite arm of the way your going you the the arm over and step with the same foot as your arm that you used the move with behind the guy and he has to let go or have his arm broke if you do it right it works great when i use it.
If you pass rush remember to lean inword against the o line most of the time it takes you to the qb for the sack or some good pressure

on another note i play o line most of the time and the swim sucks when people try cuz i always throw the punch in the ribs i say stick with the rip or arm over one reason i like the arm over is the first time some one used it on me i did not let go and got torn carlege or something like that in my elbo but not real serious

bigdeezy74 · 05-14-2006, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by runjumpthrow

Rip is, IMO, the best technique for most high school DL. It is easy to teach, easy to learn, and highly effective if you get your elbow high and get your hips low. If you get your rip set correctly, there is only two things the OT can do. He can either hold you and get flagged or he will get beat. O good rip is one of the toughest techniques in football to defeat.

. DT's should be just ripping and bull rushing.

Footballcoach · 05-14-2006, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by runjumpthrow

Rip is pretty good for shorter and stockier guys because they have a natural leverage advantage. It would be tough for a 6-4 guy like yourself to develop a good rip simply because of your height. Swim is a good technique for taller guys. Reason I don't like the swim is because often, a kid will get past the OL, but then will overpenetrate the line of scrimmage and run himself out of the play.

Swim is a good move if the DL swims over the shoulder instead of swimming over the helmet AND breaks down at the heels of the OL and looks for the ball.

6'3

And the rip worked fine for me.

teriyakisaki · 05-14-2006, 11:48 PM

the wrong arm is a good technique to do against on-comming pulls. basically you rip behind the pulling gaurd instead of taking them on. doesnt really work well in any other situation unless you're a really talented player. for pass rush moves the swims and spins are good, but most dt's arent athletic/talented enough to pull it off and either A) not get punked for turning their back or B) make the gap huge as hell for the backers. this is the time you need to be honest with yourself and your talent level to decide whether or not you really need more moves. its doubtful you do. the basic Rip is pretty much all you'll ever need.

not so much a technique, but the "angle" is a good alignment but its usually something the coach would have you do or its implied in the defense. basically instead of lining up perpendicular to the line of scrimmage, you angle towards the center. this basically forces the gaurd and center to double team you allowing the backer to be free.

runjumpthrow · 05-15-2006, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by teriyakisaki

the wrong arm is a good technique to do against on-comming pulls. basically you rip behind the pulling gaurd instead of taking them on. doesnt really work well in any other situation unless you're a really talented player. for pass rush moves the swims and spins are good, but most dt's arent athletic/talented enough to pull it off and either A) not get punked for turning their back or B) make the gap huge as hell for the backers. this is the time you need to be honest with yourself and your talent level to decide whether or not you really need more moves. its doubtful you do. the basic Rip is pretty much all you'll ever need.

not so much a technique, but the "angle" is a good alignment but its usually something the coach would have you do or its implied in the defense. basically instead of lining up perpendicular to the line of scrimmage, you angle towards the center. this basically forces the gaurd and center to double team you allowing the backer to be free.

I like wrong-arming...GREAT technique to spill trap to OLBs and CBs.

Cowart69 · 05-15-2006, 10:01 PM

This will be transition year on defense for my 14 year old I think....

It started last year where he started at outside linebacker....but our D line just wasn't shutting down the run well enough so we moved him down to DT and moved a younger guy over to OLB......my son was what I would call a "gap shooter" as a DT where his initial quickness allowed him to play on the other side of the ball and make tackles and get sacks (won a defensive MVP in a previous year because of it)

The problem is....I dont think he is going to be heavy enough at 5' 10" and 160 pounds to keep dominating at DT.....he played with bigger kids at Midget JAAF but I know the OL he is going to see in high school will be much bigger and stronger.....he will probably have a lot more speed and quickness.....but they will try to maul him.....

Does this sound like a better fit at DE? He is a pretty good linebacker but the closer to the LOS he plays the more productive he is....

He is going to need to work on his moves.....so far his first step has been enough to get OL either in hold mode or drawing double teams.....

teriyakisaki · 05-15-2006, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by runjumpthrow

I like wrong-arming...GREAT technique to spill trap to OLBs and CBs.

well the other thing is that many runningbacks in high school hit the whole hard (especially in traps) and with the wrong arm, itll already be too late for them to bounce it out depending on the skill of the runner. many are taught to run right off of the gaurd or center's ass (depending on the play number) and the pulling gaurd, which puts the tackle right in position to make the play.

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This will be transition year on defense for my 14 year old I think....

It started last year where he started at outside linebacker....but our D line just wasn't shutting down the run well enough so we moved him down to DT and moved a younger guy over to OLB......my son was what I would call a "gap shooter" as a DT where his initial quickness allowed him to play on the other side of the ball and make tackles and get sacks (won a defensive MVP in a previous year because of it)

The problem is....I dont think he is going to be heavy enough at 5' 10" and 160 pounds to keep dominating at DT.....he played with bigger kids at Midget JAAF but I know the OL he is going to see in high school will be much bigger and stronger.....he will probably have a lot more speed and quickness.....but they will try to maul him.....

Does this sound like a better fit at DE? He is a pretty good linebacker but the closer to the LOS he plays the more productive he is....

He is going to need to work on his moves.....so far his first step has been enough to get OL either in hold mode or drawing double teams.....

now i am partial to linebackers, but i think he would make a great candidate for LB. i see his agressiveness as a great weapon to have, which would make him a great linebacker. if he has any amount of coordination and he was on my team, i would put him at outside backer. the most important thing to remember is right now he might be built for a speed rushing end, but once puberty starts to hit full force, and he works out a lot more, he could really become bulked up. also, depending on the defensive scheme his school runs, he might actually make a good "will" end, which goes between upright, weakside end and outside linebacker. again i would have him play at OLB simply because he can make a better impact there (from what you have told us).

plus another thing you have to keep in mind is if he flat out does not succeed there, he can always move back; and if the coaches think he will do better at end, they will move him there. the one thing thats for sure is he is way too small to play on the interior line.

teriyakisaki · 05-15-2006, 11:56 PM

one thing i forgot to say is NEVER just flat bullrush. it might work on the lower levels, but once you get to playing under the bright stadium lights, all it will do is put you on the sidelines. bullrushing is extremely easy to defeat (just ride you out of the play) and furthermore, it usually ends up in getting the linebackers killed by the oline and puts them in a ****ty situation as it makes the gaps HUGE. never bull rush. youre better off to make a passrush move, or get arm extension, read, and react.

Cowart69 · 05-16-2006, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by teriyakisaki

well the other thing is that many runningbacks in high school hit the whole hard (especially in traps) and with the wrong arm, itll already be too late for them to bounce it out depending on the skill of the runner. many are taught to run right off of the gaurd or center's ass (depending on the play number) and the pulling gaurd, which puts the tackle right in position to make the play.

now i am partial to linebackers, but i think he would make a great candidate for LB. i see his agressiveness as a great weapon to have, which would make him a great linebacker. if he has any amount of coordination and he was on my team, i would put him at outside backer. the most important thing to remember is right now he might be built for a speed rushing end, but once puberty starts to hit full force, and he works out a lot more, he could really become bulked up. also, depending on the defensive scheme his school runs, he might actually make a good "will" end, which goes between upright, weakside end and outside linebacker. again i would have him play at OLB simply because he can make a better impact there (from what you have told us).

plus another thing you have to keep in mind is if he flat out does not succeed there, he can always move back; and if the coaches think he will do better at end, they will move him there. the one thing thats for sure is he is way too small to play on the interior line.

teriyakisaki,

The D coordinator said he was the best linebacker he had (and it was his first year at that spot full time....the other 3 LB's this was their primary spot.

The problem was that we just were not getting run containment and pressure in the backfield from our down linemen (we play in a weighted league but it is the oldest JAAF league so the linemen ran anywhere from 160-175 pounds last year my kid weighed 140-145 pounds)

Myself....tend to be overly critical of Brett when I put my coaching hat on....at outside linebacker his pass coverage was really suspect because he was always told to play run first.....now as run support he really got it done...also....for some reason that I cannot really explain he is just a natural as a pass rusher/disrupter BUT that is when he plays closer to the line of scrimmage. The D coaches from last year would have creep as close to the LOS as possible and then blitz through his gap......

Anyways...thanks for the info

Footballcoach · 05-16-2006, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by teriyakisaki

one thing i forgot to say is NEVER just flat bullrush. it might work on the lower levels, but once you get to playing under the bright stadium lights, all it will do is put you on the sidelines. bullrushing is extremely easy to defeat (just ride you out of the play) and furthermore, it usually ends up in getting the linebackers killed by the oline and puts them in a ****ty situation as it makes the gaps HUGE. never bull rush. youre better off to make a passrush move, or get arm extension, read, and react.

I Played varsity and we'll your right.

The first time i bull rushed my fisrt varsity game I got killed.

But when i did it and pulled or riped I got sacks taclkes for losses Pressures fumble recovs And even a pass deflection.(Off my hemet)
The senior DE got a int From pressure that is put on the Qb from Bullrushing.

So i do it but I combine it with another move.