USPLabs - Lets see what they are really made of

[HYPEBEAST]

To the mods: I believe this is a good discussion. This reflects my opinion, introduces new, proper, and interseting research. It breaks no rules, so I think it can be fairly kept.

Even if I am wrong, this would be a great discussion, that was neglected for a long time. Just because nobody talks about certain things does not mean they are bad. Here I go.

Before you troll me, or support me as I have a good case, just a word of advice is I know who is going to be your first accustition, and its not who you think it is, but he is what got me started. Read the whole article, especially the part regarding PowerFULL.. If you think I'm wrong, point it out and tell me why.. This is my opinion. I am not here to bash a company, but just like MuscleTech gets bashed for ripping us off. I believe MuscleTech was one of the few companies that didnt do a good job at covering it up, but theyr not the only ones to do it.

Also, HYPEBEAST is a term for someone who jumps for whatever is hyped and only what is hyped

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It has come to my attention that USPLabs is a very wierd company. I've talked to multiple people and from majority of them, I got them to say "they do seem like a scam," without implying it. Some "supporters" went against my theory, but here is my proof. It was gathered for some time, now I think it is complete ENOUGH FOR RELEASE.

First off, lets talk about how shady they are..

1) So we have this fellow named "Jacob." Everything goes by USPLabs, no contact info, no address, support phone number, nothing. I even did a WHO-IS domain check, and here is what I got:
Address removed for sake of privacy
The address here doesnt even match the one on the PowerFULL bottles.. Should have registered a private domain, but what is he doing in Texas if the company is states away?

2) Hype causes us to buy things we dont need. If we hear everyone online bragging about a new supplement, we're going to put it on our "to try" list. Well, we can only try so much, but with the proper influence we can buy things we dont need. If you do a log for a company, I'm sure you wont be biased but would try to reflect it more positively. Here, this company gives out free supplements to those who keep "good logs," and in return get good feedback, causing us to buy it. Here is what I mean by hype raisers..

Calling all USPLabs/Scivation Customers!!!!!READ
Thread Link: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=761288
My Opinion: Okay, this is straight up dumb. They call all the Scivation/USPLabs customers, urgently, to link them to a Cissus log, which is pointless, for no reason. The thread ends up as some retarted joke thread. Everyone, keep Cissus in mind, its good, right! Im so brainwashed..

Cissus Some answers finally! Maybe? A tendon savior?
Thread Link: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=754122
My Opinion: They bring us back to ground zero, with a thread saying, there is nothing known about Cissus, but its a miracle supplement for joints. This just makes sure it rests in our minds..
Another pointless thread on Cissus:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=704353

Symmetry By USPLabs---FREE FREE FREE
Thread Link: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=711065
My Opinion: Ok, this is the biggest hype raiser yet, next to HyperDrol. We have a new miracle supplement, a perfect stackable for PowerFULL, while PowerFULL is on sale. Everyone is going crazy, wants to know what it is. Then, they make us wait on it. Meanwhile, PowerFULL sales jump up 400%, and then they give us an expensive price for a short run of this "super cissus," tell us supplies are limited, hard to make, production takes time, so we all stock up and piss away our money. Notice how long it took them to give it to other retailers, and that they were selling it on their site(where people also got ahead of time, for MSRP price, directly from manufacturer, meaning GIANT PROFIT). They said themselves that they dont have to buy in big quantities to test out products, like other companies(where they are forced to purchase 500 bottles of something just to test, so why would they buy so many bottles of this, if they knew it may not You are confused but I'll break it down in 3 minutes.

THE FAT CASCADE CYCLE-A Potent approach!
Thread Link:http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=676132
My Opinion: This has to be a joke. Mixing Ephedrine, plus Synephrine, plus Chocomine(known for terrible crashes), is just plain stupid. They tell us here to buy overpiced, overhyped cAMP which I will get into later.. and besides, what does this show us, that E/C + Forslean is good? duh.. I believe the Symmetry thread just gave them away. For those of you who didnt get it, let me break it down.

Phase 1: Tell us there is a new anabolic supplement coming out, we cant wait to gain more muscle.

Phase 2: Release it, tease us, and give a bit out to the public, with a 1000 post thread to cause crazy hype.

Phase 3: Put it on their site, tell us there are limited supplies, and that it stacks with PowerFULL.

Phase 4: PowerFULL sales increase 400%, while people are buying out the Symmetry at their website for full price, and they keep GIANT PROFIT for themselves.

IF they sell here for 36 bucks a bottle, and BB.com and USP makes a nice profit, and on their site they make it double the price, how much money do you think they made?

Phase 5: Release it to retailers. Tell us there are limited supplies, "I have to buy it before everyone else or it sells out."
Now, did Symmetry sell out? No.
How fast did other retailers get it? Fast(but its limited run..).
Was there really a short run? No.
Notice that USP claimed that since they deal with small companies, they dont have to order large quantities, but somehow they got all these bottles. Were they manufactured over night? Call me crazy, but I doubt it, since this extract is "super hard to make."

[HYPEBEAST]

Now lets talk about thier supplements.
Dont get thrown off. Keep reading please..

PowerFULL

Here is another wierd supplement. I understand that with your giant rip offs, you may have made such millions that have led to enought research money to discover two new ingredients, called "benzol" and "saponis." Despite that, I want to confirm with everybody that PowerFULL is an adaptogen for sure. Read the warning label, pretend you are what they go against with adaptogens. Adaptogen causes you to adapt to something, taking something like this with say anti-depressants or whatever can cause your body to get used to it, therefore causing dependency.. but wait it gets worst.. its gets no better then this...There is an adaptogen called "Maca Root." I am sure many of you have heard of this one. This herb is also known as Peruvian Ginseng. It is quite a amazing supplement. In Peru, during the 16th century, the Incas(Indian, hmm) suggested the Spaniards to feed Maca to their horses and other animals. The result was that they reproduced normally, or even at higher rates. It boosts lipido and regulates hormonal secretion(Symmetry, OK IM GETTING TO IT!), and much more.. So here is what I have up my sleeve:

* Increase in Muscle Mass
- Maca Root was taken by Spaniards in high doses before battles because it increased strenght and stamina.
* Increase in Fat Loss
- Maca Root is an adaptogen. Adaptogens cause a decrease in stress, therefore a decline in cortisol, therefore fat loss, just to what degree?
* Increase in Strength
- Maca Root was taken by Spaniards in high doses before battles because it increased strenght and stamina.
* Increase in Recovery from Exercise
- Maca Root is an adaptogen, therefore, faster recovery can be a result of reduced stress and your bodys new ability to better adapt to pain and etc.
* Increase in Positive Aggression
- Maca Root supports positive mood, and much more. It has ALOT of effects on mood related hormones and etc, so, wouldnt a positive mood and etc in the gym cause positive agression, rather then negative? Did I forget to mention not alot is felt in this department?
* Increase in Physical Endurance
- Maca Root was taken by Spaniards in high doses before battles because it increased strenght and stamina.
* Increase in Sexual Vigor
- Maca Root is known to increase libido without doubt. It is even sometimes called "Peruvian Viagra"
* Increase in Erection Strength
- Maca Root does this. It helps increase fertility, been proven with the incas, and the reproduction of horses. There is a study where two groups of rats were fed

Maca root. They were then put in with female rats. The control group reproduced 13 times while the Maca Group reproduced 67 times!

I think ALL evidence points to Maca Root. If you are still skeptical, I have more to show to you, but I will hold off and keep you tempted, its a trick I learned from "Jacob." For now:

* Increase in Quality of Sleep
You may have noticed that some improvement of sleeping quality has been noticed. This is the one thing I cant link to Maca Root. But wait, whats this.. another ingredient..
Have you heard of 1-carboxy-2-amino-3-pyrobenzol(3,4-diol)?
I havent, I dont know about you. As a matter of fact, I knew nothing about it EXCEPT THE TIME IVE SEEN IT IN THE SLEEPING FORMULA!
REM-R3G, as featured on their website, has 2 ingredients, this benzol and Bacopa. Bacopa helps deal with anxiety and etc, can help you relax in a good way(I guess this is why it is in certain stimulants), but this cant put you to sleep. However, 2 products, having the sameingredient, and both providing deeper sleep, has to be connected. Well, they are. The top claims are from a high dose of Maca Root extract(hmm), and this pyrobenzol which aids in sleep.

Now, during my research, I've found this connection. The same ingredient in a sleeping product AND another anabolic that aids in sleep have to be connected. So I eliminated the sleeping property and got down to Maca Root, which filled in ALL the claims possible, as shown on top. So hey, I'll try this stuff, sounds good..

I go on my site, see some dirt cheap Maca Root, capped for 5 bucks. Can last me 50 days at a nice dosage. What a steal. Here is this supplement, I thought I'd share with you.
"Maca Caps
[100 Capsules]
500mg Maca Root per capsule
Maca's many active constituents include alkaloids, saponins, and tannins."
Saponins, take away the second N, you got Saponis. And please, how many "typos" have you seen in their products? How about "Chocomine" in C2 for starters



Conclusion
1) PowerFULL is an extract version of Maca Root, which contains "Saponins." It fills in all the claims and is an adaptogen for sure.
2) They link MOST of its claims to this root, half are blown out of proportion, and the other half is backed up with reason.
3) It is the SAPONINS(USPLabs, check your spelling), in MACA ROOT, that causes these anabolic effects.
4) The pyrobenzol is what results in this deep sleep, which is also featured in the sleep aid REM-R3G or watever. Now yes, I know the old PowerFULL had Muira

Puama instead of this. Shockingly, it is known to induce better sleep, and is an adaptogen that helps with lipido. I guess this is an extract of this root.
5) PowerFULL is an extract of Maca Root(Saponins) and Muira Puama(Pyrobenzol.., this is still in question)
6) Lastly, think how much it costs to make. Maca root is worth close to nothing, especally in India since it is made there. I cant imagine how much this product

costs to make.
7) They sold the old version for $25 a bottle, then planned to raise price back upto $35(30% higher), and give us the power of 3 pills put into 2. Unfortunatly,

due to crazy sales, they gave out new ones for the price of old ones, so 30% more, for 30% cheaper.. and they said that they "lost profit," when people were

saying thank you.. If they gives us MORE for LESS, and still make good profit, and BB.com makes profit, how much does it cost to make?
8) Thought I may possibly be wrong, I am reading information of Muira Puamas ability to affect agression/etc without affecting testosterone, just like Maca can

increase lipido without increase testosterone. Funny thing USPLabs asked for blood tests regarding testosterone...

I have nothing more to say. I think the mystery is solved.

Symmetry

This, I have not much to say about, since I know nothing about it.
All I do know is that it is a Cissus extract, which is anabolic, so I cant say much here.
One has to be Cissus, which would be HYDROX6, or whatever, and the second which is Thadigaddalu.
All we know is that they do not cause inhibiton, and are herbal.
Cissus is featured in the upcoming HYPERDROL, which should have an effect on hormones I PRESUME, but not much is known.
This product has great synergy with PowerFULL, maybe because it came from the same thing.
Here is what USPLabs left us with:

Originally Posted by USPLabs

Thadigaddalu is the second ingredient. The beauty our research team in India that can research with the locals on old tribal remedies.

Thadigaddalu is a root used by a village in India for over 100 years to treat hormone imbalances like infertility and lack of sex drive. Thadigaddalu is

said to balance and prime all hormones in the body to work much more efficiently especially during times of stress. Thadigaddalu is an [b]adaptagen[.b] that

works through hormone signaling! Basically it will supercharge your hormone system Naturally!

Maca Root:
Fixes Hormonal Imbalances
Is an Adaptogen
Has been used for 100's of years
Fixes lack of sex drive and infirtility.
A perfect fit, again. This can also explain this unknown synergy..
Maca Root has ingredient X, and Y which are both anabolic. Extract them, label them as individual supplements, and put them together for the best effect yet.

Maca root is full of Tanins and Saponins, I guess these two are linked, where as PowerFULL contains Saponins, listed as "Saponis," and Symmetry with

Tanins, known as "Thadigaddalu." It could explain the synergy between these to a great extent.

I think my PowerFULL and Saponins statement has been well proven. Unfortunatly, I have no typos to prove that Tannins is the main ingredient in Symmetry..
Notice that users on Symmetry reported the following:
Endurance - Tannins keep nitrogen in your body for longer. This was discovered, because Tannins for some reason keep nitrogen in your body rather then have you piss it out. This leads to more stored energy and less protein excreted throught the urinary tract.
Well being - Users reported positive mood, which was noticed by others, from taking Tannins, I dont know through which pathway.
Some strengh increases - Nitrogen Retention(nitro-tech haha) > More protein kept in your system + More Endurance > Strenght Increases

Side Effects we didnt know:
Even though High Quality protein would be preserved thanks to Tannins, it can be kept so strong that it may lead to lack of your bodys ability to digest it, and decrease amino acid absorbtion Could this be why we should run 10g BCAA on the Asteroid stack?

All evidence points to Tannins filling in the claims of Symmetry.

[HYPEBEAST]

What is Hydroxyl6
My research for these Tannins had lead to a higher knowledge.
Tannins are large polyphenolic herbs that contain high amounts of <b>Hydroxyl's</b> and <b>Carboxyls</b>.(source: wikipedia.com)
How wierd, there is a carboxy-something in the sleep aid, and Hydroxyl6 seems to be extracted from Cissus, which is contained in Tannins.

In short, Regarding Symmetry and PowerFULL:
There is synergy because we combine two anabolic ingredients that come from the same thing.
Tanins fit the description in every claim in Symmetry.
Saponins fit the description in every claim in PowerFULL.
I've proven it, the typo in PowerFULL even backed me up.
Below, you will see another interesting read....

Even if I am wrong, this would be an interesting read, and not only that but a discovery of something new anabolic, and healthy.

So here we have 2 supplements that work in synergy, that seem to be extracted from the same root.
Maca Root contains both Saponins, which is the stuff in PowerFULL FOR SURE, and Tannins, which seems to fit every claim from Symmetry, from endurance to well being to improved recovery. Both are herbal. Symmetry seems to say it regulates hormones which Maca Root plays a big role in, and so on.

Interesting Read: http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants....pidium+meyenii
While searching for "Tannin Anabolic," I found:

"Maca is growing in world popularity due to its energizing effects, fertility enhancement and aphrodisiac qualities. Other traditional uses include increasing energy, stamina and endurance in athletes, promoting mental clarity, treating male impotence, and helping with menstrual irregularities and female hormonal imbalances including menopause and chronic fatigue syndrome. It is used as an alternative to anabolic steroids by bodybuilders due to its richness in sterols."

I think I found enough..

[HYPEBEAST]

Cissus-RX

Yeah, okay, they discovered this great herb.. okay... right.. uhhu.. Who remembers San Bone Boost? Sure, nobody will pay 25 bucks for some 10 day supply of a glucosamine blend, but it had Cissus in it, 1 gram a serving.. that already prooves they didnt discover it nor were they the first to put it on the market.
They charge around 20 bucks for a full bottle, which roughly contains 80g of Cissus.
At bulk powder sites, one of my favorites in particular, sells 1kg of Cissus for $90. They make around 15-25% profit, I was told in person. This leads us the fact that the Cissus provided to us in a bottle of Cissus-RX can be purchased for $7.20, while the bulk provider makes 15-25% profit.
Say they make 20% off the Cissus, that means -$1.44, which means $5.80ish for Cissus content.. I'm pretty sure it can get even cheaper.
Keep in mind, they sell 6% keto, while USPLabs give us 5% so there can be a difference
Also, how can this be anabolic, if we have to take such high doses of a keto extract, while this provides us a mere 5%...

Conclusion:
1) Cissus is overpriced. My great guess is that they sell it to retailers for $16, as thats how much it is on sale on their site. Leaves retailer with 25% profit, which sounds ideal to me. They make around $10 profit off each bottle. I know that capping and bottling costs money, I didnt forget.
2) They didnt originate it. They just raised hype on it, and were the only one with the product ATM. I dont see how they can patent it if its already in bone boost..
Bone Boost: http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/san/bone.html
Bulk Provider: http://www.eiselt.se/bulk.htm (notice they had cissus for a while)
The bulk provider site should be interesting for everyone..
3) Thought not stated, I think Cissus is too highly dosed, and can be dropped. San Bone Boost gives us 2g a day and it works out fine. There is more on this...
4) If you think they ripped us in terms of Bulk Powder vs. Manufactured, keep in mind that back in the day 3 caps had equivalent to 2 caps in todays version.

This means it was 30% cheaper to make, therefore, it cost somewhere near 3-4 bucks or so for the cissus.
5) No CoA, so how do we know that your not making us take filler, which is the reason required for a "high dose"?
6) This is manufactured in India or wherever, where Cissus probably comes from and I am pretty sure comes cheap. Capping and bottling wont cost much there, so I am CONFIDENT that they make near $10 profit off each bottle, which, excuse me, is a GIANT rip off for us..

cAMPHIBOLIC

This product is strictly based off Forslean.

Synergy Blend 1140mg
-Green Tea (90% polyphenol 50% EGCG)
-Cissu Quadrangularis
(5% specially extracted keto-sterones)
-Bocopa Minnieri (40 %bacosides)
-Forslean

The trouble sleeping probably comes from the Green Tea, since it contains caffeine. Subtract 140mg from 1140mg, you get 1 gram. Divide it between Cissus, Green Tea, and Bacopa. The doses are fairly low. Bulk powder would be the way to go and can get you much further for much cheaper. Another large profit margine since 30g Forslean costs $15, and the others are fairly cheap..

IN CONCLUSION

USPLabs make giant profits off their basic supplements.
USPLabs is very shady, provides us with no contact info, is under 2 adresses, neither listed on their website.
USPLabs is very good at raising hype, which is a major factor in sales.
USPLabs product's Symmetry and PowerFULL are based of Maca Root extracts, Saponins and Tannins, which are dirt cheap, fill in all the gaps, and fit here perfectly. It is extremely overcharged, and what points to this even more is the 30% decline in price, and 30% increase in the main ingredients, and they STILL make profits.

I hope you have read my article completely before flaming me.

[HYPEBEAST]

Complete. Thanks.

[ChuckieCheese]

hey

[HYPEBEAST]

Originally Posted by ChuckieCheese

hey

Hey, how are you?
Article Complete. Thank you.

[ChuckieCheese]

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[HYPEBEAST]

By the way, I suggest you read THE WHOLE THING, before making assumptions.
USPLabs is from India, so is Maca Root(used forever)..

[ChuckieCheese]

Originally Posted by HYPEBEAST

By the way, I suggest you read THE WHOLE THING, before making assumptions.
USPLabs is from India, so is Maca Root(used forever)..

Can't you read?

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[HYPEBEAST]

Originally Posted by ChuckieCheese

Can't you read?

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you dumb troll

[Stonecoldtruth]

A few things to note:

#1 - If you are going to make a Call Out thread like this, use spellcheck first. I don't care how solid your research is, crappy spelling/grammar makes you look uneducated.

#2 - The fact that you've only been registered 12 days is shady, since you are already coming out with a supposed 'researched' statement.

#3 - Your thread title 'Journey to Anorexia' again takes away from any credibility you MIGHT have earned.

#4 - Giving out ECA advice to teens in previous threads makes you look like a jackass

Thats all I've got time for, taking the rest of your posts down would take more thought than I care to give to this thread.

Thanks,
Josh

[NumberTwentyTwo]

wow....great thread

it all seems to make sense

waiting for usp labs to reply before i come to any conclusion

[mikeizlike]

interesting read

[T h E o R e M]

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[pu12en12g]

1) C2 is a awesome formula IMO (my friend is already addicted to it)

2) The feedback on USPLabs products for joints seems excellent

3) This is what I don't understand:

http://usplabs.net

[fehzan]

Well, just to say -- most companies do build up hype on products, but none the less you definately make a point, a very good one about USPLab, good thing I haven't bought anything from USPLab yet.

[mikeizlike]

So they are a company based out of Argentina?

[Commonpremier21]

Originally Posted by pu12en12g

1) C2 is a awesome formula IMO (my friend is already addicted to it)

2) The feedback on USPLabs products for joints seems excellent

3) This is what I don't understand:

http://usplabs.net

lol ya I came across that also when searching on google for USPlabs website


edit: now that I actually clicked on English Edition and went into the site, it appears to be an online anabolic steroid retailer hahaha, and I thought it was a website for a farm when I first came acrossed it

[PieEyedPiper]

logical statments for sure, but accurate? we'll see.
EDIT: ^^http://usplabs.net sketchy website..

[apron]

Their website is actually synergymuscle.com

[mikeizlike]

Originally Posted by Commonpremier21

lol ya I came across that also when searching on google for USPlabs website


edit: now that I actually clicked on English Edition and went into the site, it appears to be an online anabolic steroid retailer hahaha, and I thought it was a website for a farm when I first came acrossed it

I mean I guess it has to be the same company since the name is copyrighted. This could be a very interested thread

[bonbon]

http://www.synergymuscle.com/ this might be more likely
Also, isn´t maca from south america, not from india?

[mikeizlike]

Originally Posted by bonbon

http://www.synergymuscle.com/ this might be more likely
Also, isn´t maca from south america, not from india?

So is it the same company but different website?

[Joel]

Sub

[uhockey]

I'll follow this, simply because USP doesn't answer my PMs or Emails......

[sjl25]

Interesting read. A lot of assumptions are made here, but I am anxious to read USPLabs reply.

Subscribed.

[Stix_]

I can se what your saying and will be watching.

[TimoteoS]

seeing the link PU posted makes me wonder whats really in powerfull and symmetry x..

USP prices are not that bad and the reviews have been pretty damn good if you ask me....and really if it works it works...thats all i wanna know..all though this is interesting

I just want to point out that this kid is 15 years old, his previous username was OMGitsMAXX, if you run a search on his current name you will see it...Cakedonkey can back me up on this one

[TimoteoS]

Originally Posted by OMGitsMAX

Age: 15(Mom is fine with supplements)
Sex: Male
Height: 6ft
Weight: 172
Bodytype: Endomorph
Training experience: Lose weight from time to time, but after about a month it doesnt go too good.
Training Schedule/Protocol:
- Monday: OFF
- Tuesday: Chest/Triceps
- Wednesday: Back/Biceps
- Thursday: Legs
- Friday: OFF
- Saturday: Shoulders/Traps/Abs/Forearms/Calves
- Sunday: CHOICE
Cardio Schedule/Protocol: Currently Bulking for a few more weeks, and doing cardio for 30 minutes 3x a week. Normally I did 45 minutes 5x a week while cutting.
Current supplements: San CM2, Substance WPI(1.5 bottles), Creatine Monohydrate, CEE, Flaxseed Oil, and MuscleMilk(but not used yet)
Current Diet: 3500 Calories; 240 grams Protein, 480 grams Carbs, 70 grams Fats.
Short Term Goal: Get into shape by summer.
Long Term Goal: Get as big as I can without prohormones or steroids and compete.
Prescription/Recreational drugs: None
Supplement history: Taken Sesamin, had good results in the first week, but the 2 after didnt go to good. I dont know what it was, but I stopped losing weight, which is why I decided to go on a bulk for a month - 6 weeks. Also taken Lipo6, Thermal Rage(a few times, gets me awaken), Creatine Ethyl Ester, Monohydrate.

I have two bottles of Sesamin, and 2 bottles of Thermal Rage(used 4 times though). My bottles of Sesamin are different too, te streak over the A are differnet colors, one is dark one is bright. I dont know what that means.
I also have a beta bottle of Melting Point, so I can compare your product to it. I can stack Sesamin and Rage with LipidFX, or whatever.

Logs:
None on this forum.

This from another forum....