My disgraceful road to beefing up

[BradR]

My diet is somewhat medieocre at the time, with 3 brothers and 2 sisters its hard to keep food in the house. Plus the fact that i'm broke my self. And my parents told me that they can't keep buying all the food that I ask them too so im left with just an above average diet, which is killing my progress badly!

My goal is 180lbs come June/July

Currently a pitiful 6'00 168 lbs just turned 17

Critique please....



Also have a weight gainer ( optimum serious mass ) on the way.
After that I think ill start a jar of cell mass. Maybe get some nitrix for the summer time.

-Sorry that the pics are a little blurry.

[skelooth]

Dude, get a job. Food is cheap if you know how to shop Oats are 99 cents a pound and 3,000 cals of natty pb is a little over 2 bucks. I've seen boneless skinless chicken breast for as cheap as 1.89 on sale, tuna 4 cans for a dollar, and eggs are always cheap.

You'd do a world of good spending your supplement money on food instead of supplements.

[Helis]

You can also slug down a ton of calories and protein by drinking a gallon of skim milk a day. No matter where you live, that's about a 1000 calories for under three bucks.

[skelooth]

Originally Posted by Helis

You can also slug down a ton of calories and protein by drinking a gallon of skim milk a day. No matter where you live, that's about a 1000 calories for under three bucks.

or 1%. Saturated fat plays a role in testosterone production

[Sthrngunz]

Originally Posted by skelooth

or 1%. Saturated fat plays a role in testosterone production

zinc is a lot healthier way to raise hormone levels

[skelooth]

Originally Posted by Sthrngunz

zinc is a lot healthier way to raise hormone levels

I don't want to hijack BradR's thread, but that is entirely dependent on which nutrition camp you're from. Saturated fat being bad for you is a myth left over from the 80s as far as I'm concerned, and I will leave it at that

[str8flexed]

i'd work on your attitude more than anything, it's not health to be describing yourself as "pitiful"

let me tell you what, if you base most of your self worth on what you see in the mirror everyday, you're going to be a very unhappy person no matter how good your physique gets

[skelooth]

Originally Posted by str8flexed

i'd work on your attitude more than anything, it's not health to be describing yourself as "pitiful"

let me tell you what, if you base most of your self worth on what you see in the mirror everyday, you're going to be a very unhappy person no matter how good your physique gets

SooOoOoo true ^^^^^^^^^ It took me a very long time to understand that.

[Sthrngunz]

Originally Posted by skelooth

I don't want to hijack BradR's thread, but that is entirely dependent on which nutrition camp you're from. Saturated fat being bad for you is a myth left over from the 80s as far as I'm concerned, and I will leave it at that

explain then please. sat fat is known to clog arteries but if it is a myth, id like to learn about that

[Captshiznit]

Change your attitude, dont call yourself pitiful.

Keep the motivation and the lifting going and you will get big, and tell yourself in the morning when you get up "im a hard working dedicated great person". Let your weight be your motivation as it was for me, people calling me skinny and mocking eating healthy.

Let it contribute to your motivation to prove them all wrong.

[danboy]

yeah man....get a job, i have been in your situation before...but i got a 5.15/hour job at kroger and it was more than enough to pay for my food bill and then some......u dont even have to work alot either...10-15 hours will do fine.

and stick to basic foods

- chicken
- eggs
- milk
- ww bread/brown rice/ oats
- greens

just that will make due....look really hard and u might be able to get chicken breast for 1.00 per pound, thats what i get mine for.

[Captshiznit]

Originally Posted by danboy

- chicken
- eggs
- milk
- ww bread/brown rice/ oats
- greens
- PASTA

Listen to this guy, added 1 food extra to ur list Pasta one of my favourite core dishes.

But yeh not expensive to eat like that trust me im doing it currently. Rice / Oats / Pasta / Chicken some tuna thats about my diet really and veg and fruit added in.

[skelooth]

Originally Posted by Sthrngunz

explain then please. sat fat is known to clog arteries but if it is a myth, id like to learn about that

Coronary disease did not appear in human history until bread became a staple of our diets. Cave men ate fatty meats and low carb vegetation with minimal fruit.. and no high carb root vegetables as they need to be cooked to be edible. Our bodies evolved to ingest, store, and use fat. We are moving into the realm of alternative medicine and nutrition, so if you're honestly interested in it you'll need to hit up google.

and I would stay away from pasta. Sweet potatos or oats are a much better carbohydrate choice. You really want to avoid bleached white flour.

[str8flexed]

Originally Posted by skelooth

Coronary disease did not appear in human history until bread became a staple of our diets. Cave men ate fatty meats and low carb vegetation with minimal fruit.. and no high carb root vegetables as they need to be cooked to be edible. Our bodies evolved to ingest, store, and use fat. We are moving into the realm of alternative medicine and nutrition, so if you're honestly interested in it you'll need to hit up google.

and I would stay away from pasta. Sweet potatos or oats are a much better carbohydrate choice. You really want to avoid bleached white flour.

no, it appeared when people began living long enough to get it. Before that people died off of other diseases much earlier.

[jehst]

Originally Posted by str8flexed

no, it appeared when people began living long enough to get it. Before that people died off of other diseases much earlier.

actually heart disease was pretty damn rare all the way up until the early 1900s

[str8flexed]

Originally Posted by jehst

actually heart disease was pretty damn rare all the way up until the early 1900s

exactly, because other diseases were much more common & killed people before they could get heart disease.

[harobikes]

good work

[skelooth]

Originally Posted by jehst

actually heart disease was pretty damn rare all the way up until the early 1900s

around the same time processed foods and high carb diets were coming about. Interesting.

This is why I won't argue it on the internet. I know and believe what I know and believe in. If someone else has a differing opinion fine, but I've done my research. It's an alternative view that the mainstream has still not picked up. There is a world of health benefits to high fat diets that go against all current nutritional teachings. All one needs to do is research.

[skelooth]

Originally Posted by skelooth

around the same time processed foods and high carb diets were coming about. Interesting.

This is why I won't argue it on the internet. I know and believe what I know and believe in. If someone else has a differing opinion fine, but I've done my research. It's an alternative view that the mainstream has still not picked up. There is a world of health benefits to high fat diets that go against all current nutritional teachings. All one needs to do is research.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/fats.html

there is consistent evidence that high intake of either monounsaturated or polyunsaturated fat lowers the risk for heart disease. In the Nurses' Health Study, replacing 80 calories of carbohydrates with 80 calories of either polyunsaturated or monounsaturated fats lowered the risk for heart disease by about 30 to 40 percent.(6)

Just one of MANY studies. A healthy high fat diet is superior.

[str8flexed]

Originally Posted by skelooth

around the same time processed foods and high carb diets were coming about. Interesting.

This is why I won't argue it on the internet. I know and believe what I know and believe in. If someone else has a differing opinion fine, but I've done my research. It's an alternative view that the mainstream has still not picked up. There is a world of health benefits to high fat diets that go against all current nutritional teachings. All one needs to do is research.

actually high carb diets really started around 10,000 years ago with the advent of agriculture, so if you want to be nit-picky

none of this is casaul, it is all correlation. That said, I believe that high carb diets are not good for insulin sensitivity CVD, or cancer... but i'm not ready to subscribe every health problem to them like many people.

-Layne

[Linaz_AU]

Originally Posted by str8flexed

actually high carb diets really started around 10,000 years ago with the advent of agriculture, so if you want to be nit-picky

none of this is casaul, it is all correlation. That said, I believe that high carb diets are not good for insulin sensitivity CVD, or cancer... but i'm not ready to subscribe every health problem to them like many people.

-Layne

exactly right.
really annoys me when a new correlational study, come out. and suddenly ever body is makin causal statementsm as if its set in stone. refusing to believe anything else.

god even true experients can only without a doubt show a causal relationship, if its really well designed, and then only for the sample that the experiment used.

[skelooth]

Well, early 1900s is when factorization started coming about and things like bleached white flour and things like factory produced bread started coming into existance.

Carbs are not really bad, it's processed carbs. Low carb diets (high fat diets) are by nature usually based around unprocessed foods like fresh cuts of meats and fresh vegetables. Root vegetables and whole grains are still great.

really annoys me when a new correlational study, come out. and suddenly ever body is makin causal statementsm as if its set in stone.

What annoys me is people with a closed mind, who are too stubborn to consider that mankind has not mastered the world around us yet. Literature and science changes all the time. Just because something was taught in universities 30 years ago doesn't mean the literature written today will agree with.

If someone does not agree with a differing view, in this case str8flexed, that's fine. It's respectable because of course someone's view should not be swayed by a random post on the internet. What is not respectable is to be "annoyed" because someone has a differing perspective. In addition, I'm not claiming to be right. Just as your views may be wrong, so may mine. Perhaps both beliefs are wrong. That is why there is ongoing research on possibley every aspect of life you can imagine. No one has the answers. Especially when it comes to something as intricate as the way different nutrients have long term effects on the human body.

I don't even know how we got on this subject. I dislike discussing this because when you have a differing view than the general public you are 'hated' on. The thread has been hijacked enough. If you want to continue argueing me go research instead. Form an educated opinion, and not just that of the masses.

[str8flexed]

Originally Posted by skelooth

Well, early 1900s is when factorization started coming about and things like bleached white flour and things like factory produced bread started coming into existance.

Carbs are not really bad, it's processed carbs. Low carb diets (high fat diets) are by nature usually based around unprocessed foods like fresh cuts of meats and fresh vegetables. Root vegetables and whole grains are still great.



What annoys me is people with a closed mind, who are too stubborn to consider that mankind has not mastered the world around us yet. Literature and science changes all the time. Just because something was taught in universities 30 years ago doesn't mean the literature written today will agree with.

If someone does not agree with a differing view, in this case str8flexed, that's fine. It's respectable because of course someone's view should not be swayed by a random post on the internet. What is not respectable is to be "annoyed" because someone has a differing perspective. In addition, I'm not claiming to be right. Just as your views may be wrong, so may mine. Perhaps both beliefs are wrong. That is why there is ongoing research on possibley every aspect of life you can imagine. No one has the answers. Especially when it comes to something as intricate as the way different nutrients have long term effects on the human body.

I don't even know how we got on this subject. I dislike discussing this because when you have a differing view than the general public you are 'hated' on. The thread has been hijacked enough. If you want to continue argueing me go research instead. Form an educated opinion, and not just that of the masses.

bro, you are the one acting close minded. You are taking 2 points on a large graph and drawing a straight line using this correlation. It just isn't that simple

[skelooth]

Originally Posted by str8flexed

bro, you are the one acting close minded. You are taking 2 points on a large graph and drawing a straight line using this correlation. It just isn't that simple

Because I said saturated fat plays a role in testosterone production? lol

Please point out any instance, in any of my posts anywhere on this site where I have ever been unwilling to consider new information. I explicitly stated that I may not be right, nor have I pushed any belief on anyone. Differing view does not mean close minded. I posted one article to defend myself because people were posting as if I were off my rocker.

My (albeit alternative) views are based on over a year of personal experience, talking with other people, and researching. I'm not being stubborn to other views, I'm defending a conclusion that I've come to through self education.

Like I said, no one has tolerance for anyone with a view against the masses. Call me stubborn, it will not change my beliefs or opinions, so perhaps in that sense I am.

[IrishMIke]

No offense you guys but this argument is a killer thread hijack....