Was Muhammad's marriage and sexual relationship with Aisha appropriate?

n1rv4n4 · 04-03-2006, 04:04 PM

Over the past few months we have had numerous debates about Islam, the Prophet Muhammad, and especially his marriage to Aisha. I intend, in this thread, to present both sides of this particular debate -- those that conclude Muhammad's marriage and sexual relationship with Aisha was inappropriate and therefore pedophilic, and those that contend that it is merely misunderstood, seen void of its greater context, and still made lawful by Allah under Shari’ah Law.

Hopefully, with this poll we can come to a consensus and guage the general R&P opinion regarding Muhammad's marriage to Aisha, especially since it has garnered so much attention, interest, and discussion.

Please vote with discretion, after reading the following arguments and comment with maturity and decorum.

MUHAMMAD’S RELATIONSHIP WAS INAPPROPRIATE

Those that argue that Muhammad’s marital and sexual relationship was inappropriate find their insight from the following books of hadith documenting the life of the Prophet Muhammad and the unchanging, static traditions of Islam.

First and foremost, it is made clear that Muhammad’s marriage to Aisha took place not on his own personal motivation but by divine intervention, ordained directly by the will of Allah. As described in the following hadith by Aisha herself, Muhammad was moved to marry her at the tender age of 6 by a heavenly vision that he repeatedly received in his dreams from Allah:

Volume 9, Book 87, Number 140:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamen...ml#009.087.140

Narrated 'Aisha:
Allah's Apostle said to me, "You were shown to me twice (in my dream) before I married you. I saw an angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said to him, 'Uncover (her),' and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen.' Then you were shown to me, the angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said (to him), 'Uncover (her), and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen.' "

Secondly, the following hadith provides Aisha’s own testimony that Muhammad married her at the tender age of 6 years old, and consummated his marriage by having sexual intercourse with her at the age of 9.

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamen...ml#007.062.064

Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

Again, this chain of narration is affirmed by another testimony:

Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamen...ml#005.058.236

Narrated Hisham's father:

Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.

To testify to the juvenile, innocent nature of Aisha’s frame of mind at the time of marriage and consummation, the following hadith shows that she was just an average little girl, playing on swings with her friends, when the Prophet Muhammad, already more than 50 years of age, arrived to take her away into his household and assume her as his lawfully wedded wife.

Book 008, Number 3309:

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamen....html#008.3309
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine. She further said: We went to Medina and I had an attack of fever for a month, and my hair had come down to the earlobes. Umm Ruman (my mother) came to me and I was at that time on a swing along with my playmates. She called me loudly and I went to her and I did not know what she had wanted of me. She took hold of my hand and took me to the door, and I was saying: Ha, ha (as if I was gasping), until the agitation of my heart was over. She took me to a house, where had gathered the women of the Ansar. They all blessed me and wished me good luck and said: May you have share in good. She (my mother) entrusted me to them. They washed my head and embellished me and nothing frightened me. Allah's Messenger (, may peace be upon him) came there in the morning, and I was entrusted to him.

Moreover, the Prophet Muhammad endorsed young, virgin marriages to his followers, especially for the purpose of fondling. For example, in the following hadith, the Messenger of Allah shares holy sexual wisdom:

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 17:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamen...ml#007.062.017

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
When I got married, Allah's Apostle said to me, "What type of lady have you married?" I replied, "I have married a matron' He said, "Why, don't you have a liking for the virgins and for fondling them?" Jabir also said: Allah's Apostle said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you might play with her and she with you?'

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 163:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamen...ml#007.062.163

Narrated 'Aisha:
The Prophet was screening me with his Rida' (garment covering the upper part of the body) while I was looking at the Ethiopians who were playing in the courtyard of the mosque. (I continued watching) till I was satisfied. So you may deduce from this event how a little girl (who has not reached the age of puberty) who is eager to enjoy amusement should be treated in this respect.

Thus, the critical argument can be summarized as follows:

1) Muhammad’s marriage at the age of 6 was a product of his own lusts, one that he justified with “dreams” from Allah.
2) Muhammad married an innocent minded, young girl at the age of 6, and had sexual intercourse with her at the age of 9, where she might have otherwise been playing on swings with her friends.
3) Muhammad strongly recommended such marriages to his followers, especially for fondling.
4) Aisha longed to be free again, playing with friends, being a kid, and not living as the 50+ year old Prophet’s plaything.
5) Aisha’s juvenile frame of mind therefore discounts the possibility of marriage, its responsibilities, and a sexual relationship.

Now, I shall summarize the proponent’s argument, borrowing chiefly from SK’s other posts.

n1rv4n4 · 04-03-2006, 04:06 PM

MUHAMMAD’S RELATIONSHIP WAS APPROPRIATE

The argument that has thus far been presented regarding the legality of Muhammad’s marriage to Aisha can effectively be summarized (but not limited to) the following position, wherein SYRIANKID explains that you are an adult at puberty, and thus there is no wrong in Muhammad having sexual intercourse with her:

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Originally Posted by SYRIANKID

Actually, I never said anything remotely close to that. My position has been very consistent: you're an adult at puberty. I mean, I know it's fashionable when you have nothing coherent to say, to just put words in my mouth, but at least have the integrity to quote me when you claim I said or denied something.

I mean that's just sad. You're literally forced to make something up, claim I said it, and then laugh at your own joke.

Moreover, regarding Aisha’s initial marriage to Muhammad, he explains that she provided consent, and that the subsequent sexual relationship was not in any way rape, pedophilia, or molestation.

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Originally Posted by PissingQuietly

You can't justify the raping of a little girl on the basis of how "Mature she is in the Islamic world" considering these folk seem to fix the rules as they see fit,

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Originally Posted by SYRIANKID

You know, when a person consents to marriage, it's no more rape than what your own parents consented to before concieving you (assuming they were married at the time). I doubt you are even thinking about the situation. If a random person, wants to get married, and is able, willing, and sane, and they are past the age of majority, then that is their right.

He further explains:

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Originally Posted by IceDragon

So you're saying a nine year old - although she'd have been younger than this when she first got married - is both sane and responsible enough to commit herself to motherhood and sex???

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Originally Posted by SYRIANKID

She CAN be, yes.
I think you need to concentrate. This has nothing to do with pedophilia. This is person A, 9 year old, pubescent person, WANTING to get married, and GETTING married. Person B, some other random person, sane pubescent adult, also wanting to get married. They both AGREE to get married.

Where in your sexual fantasies do you see pedophilia?

As illustrated in the post above, SYRIANKID claims that Muhammad’s sexual relationship with Aisha was was lawful because she had attained the age of maturity in Islam (reaching puberty). Furthermore, since sex took place within the bounds of a consenting marriage between two pubescent peoples, Muhammad at the age of 50+ and Aisha at the age of 9 – pedophilia and rape are simply not in the equation.

He further makes clear the full grasp of his argument:

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Originally Posted by IceDragon

Sexual fantasies? - she is a CHILD! By your own admission, she is just a child.

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Originally Posted by SYRIANKID

No, not all 9 year olds are children. You've missed the entire point if you think I ever claimed otherwise.

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IceDragon]Pull your head out of both your arse and your antiquated texts because here where I live - in other words the REAL WORLD - that's classified as paedophilia, the rape of a CHILD.

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Originally Posted by SYRIANKID

Pull yourself out of your dark pedophilic fantasies and open the dictionary to the letter "P". Rape is nonconsensual intercourse. Is that what is happening? Nope, because both parties are consenting. Is it pedophilia? Wrong again, because there is no molestation or nonconsensual touching of a child by an adult, again it is CONSENSUAL MARITIAL RELATIONS.

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Originally Posted by IceDragon

Nine year olds do NOT have enough knowledge about the world to decide something like that. You're attitude is, quite frankly, disturbing to say the least.

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Originally Posted by SYRIANKID

Maybe yours don't, and not many do, but some DO have the capacity to make these decisions, and those that do, should be permitted to follow through with them.

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IceDragon]
It IS paedophilia - classed as the "unconsented rape of a child under the age of 13".

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Originally Posted by SYRIANKID

No, the entire point is that pedophilia deals with PREPUBESCENT children, and is very, very nonconsensual.

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Originally Posted by IceDragon

A child of nine has no concept of sexuality or sex, so how could they consent when they lack the knowledge to make a real decision?

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Originally Posted by SYRIANKID

IF they were a child, they wouldn't want to get married in the first place, but since they are NOT children, they CAN get married if they wish.

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Originally Posted by IceDragon

Lack of knowledge + Lack of judgement + Lack of consent = Rape of a child.

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Originally Posted by SYRIANKID

Nope, and you're speaking your own opinion here. In most cases, people below 30 lack the knowledge and judgment to get married and raise a family, so is it illegal for them to get married also?

Thus, the proponent’s argument can be summarized as follows:

1) Aisha consented to her pre-pubescent marriage to Muhammad.
2) Aisha had sexual relations with Muhammad only once she had attained puberty.
3) The nearly half-century gap between Muhammad’s age (50+) and Aisha’s age (6-9) is unimportant due to the fact that they are both pubescent, and consenting.
4) Pedophilia is defined as a relationship between an adult and a child, and Aisha was not a child.

This concludes the presentation of both sides of the argument. If I have left anything out, SYRIANKID and others are welcome to add in the discussion sure to follow. I ask you once again to vote with discretion, and display utmost maturity in the thread. I have also pointed a few threads of recommended reading for any background information:

n1rv4n4 · 04-03-2006, 04:07 PM

Recommended Reading:

Thai girl gives birth at the age of nine
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=703641

How old was Aisha when Mahooumad married her than first had sex with her?
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=697002

age of aisha – SYRIANKID dismisses revisionist Muslims who rewrite Islamic history to suit Western audiences
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=729008

I FLY IFR · 04-03-2006, 04:13 PM

After hearing exhausting arguments for both sides, the choice is simple.

No, the relationship was not appropriate.

No relationship with a 9 year old is appropriate.

anaiya · 04-03-2006, 04:14 PM

I'm sorry and no offense to anyone but WTF DOES A 9 YR OLD KNOW ABOUT MARRIAGE? I think it's disgusting for a man of that age to hold sexual relations with a girl that age. At that age no child, b/c that was she was, I don't care if she passed puberty or whatever it is they say, is ready for marriage or much less becoming a mother.

About that 9 yr old giving birth....what is this world coming to?!

This is exactly why I'm not religious anymore. WHo are thse so called prophets, messiahs or whatever they are to point fingers when they are just as bad as those they condemn. They say they preach or whatever but all they really do is point fingers at others.

Sorry for the rant, people who abuse others thoughts are disgusting.

guym · 04-03-2006, 04:23 PM

One thing that hasn't come up yet: WHY would a 50 yr old WANT to marry a 9 yr old? How can there be sexual attraction? Intellectual attraction? Emotional attatchment beyong the level of father/daughter or a mentor?

The answer? A pedophile 50 yr old man would want to...a normal man would not. If muhammad would have taken her under his wing, like a daughter or niece, then fine! But....

n1rv4n4 · 04-03-2006, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by guym

One thing that hasn't come up yet: WHY would a 50 yr old WANT to marry a 9 yr old? How can there be sexual attraction? Intellectual attraction? Emotional attatchment beyong the level of father/daughter or a mentor?

The answer? A pedophile 50 yr old man would want to...a normal man would not. If muhammad would have taken her under his wing, like a daughter or niece, then fine! But....

I surmise from Muhammad's holy dream sequence and the shared sexual wisdom regarding fondling virgins that it had nothing to do with sane, healthy mental processes.

photomasterx · 04-03-2006, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by n1rv4n4

age of aisha – SYRIANKID dismisses revisionist Muslims who rewrite Islamic history to suit Western audiences
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=729008

what are you talking about. those where not "revised" to suit western audiences becuase questions where reaised about her true age hundreds of years ago. read the link the questions where raised again by a muslim in 1920's

http://www.muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm

"It appears that Maulana Muhammad Ali was the first Islamic scholar directly to challenge the notion that Aisha was aged six and nine, respectively, at the time of her nikah and consummation of marriage. This he did in, at least, the following writings: his English booklet Prophet of Islam, his larger English book Muhammad, the Prophet, and in the footnotes in his voluminous Urdu translation and commentary of Sahih Bukhari entitled Fadl-ul-Bari, these three writings being published in the 1920s and 1930s. In the booklet Prophet of Islam, which was later incorporated in 1948 as the first chapter of his book Living Thoughts of the Prophet Muhammad, he writes in a lengthy footnote as follows:"

things such as pedophillia charges against mohammed didnt really even exist in those days the same way they exist today. so your theory that people are trying to revise her age to suit wester audience is a lie. these are legitimate deates about her age and so they should be. please stop lying about islam and how muslims are shamed of aishas age and that why they are trying to change it you know perfectly well thats is not true and some muslims even hundreds of years ago have been attemping to do reaserch on her age. so please stop your lies.

n1rv4n4 · 04-03-2006, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by photomasterx

what are you talking about. those where not "revised" to suit western audiences becuase questions where reaised about her true age hundreds of years ago. read the link the questions where raised again by a muslim in 1920's

http://www.muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm

"It appears that Maulana Muhammad Ali was the first Islamic scholar directly to challenge the notion that Aisha was aged six and nine, respectively, at the time of her nikah and consummation of marriage. This he did in, at least, the following writings: his English booklet Prophet of Islam, his larger English book Muhammad, the Prophet, and in the footnotes in his voluminous Urdu translation and commentary of Sahih Bukhari entitled Fadl-ul-Bari, these three writings being published in the 1920s and 1930s. In the booklet Prophet of Islam, which was later incorporated in 1948 as the first chapter of his book Living Thoughts of the Prophet Muhammad, he writes in a lengthy footnote as follows:"

things such as pedophillia charges against mohammed didnt really even exist in those days the same way they exist today. so your theory that people are trying to revise her age to suit wester audience is a lie. these are legitimate deates about her age and so they should be. please stop lying about islam and how muslims are shamed of aishas age and that why they are trying to change it you know perfectly well thats is not true and some muslims even hundreds of years ago have been attemping to do reaserch on her age. so please stop your lies.

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Originally Posted by SYRIANKID

First of all, you've cited a CULT website. The "Ahmeddiya" aren't even Muslims, they are a cult formed in the 1800s around a man who claimed to be a prophet, then Jesus (pbuh) incarnate, then the Mahdi, and some other Hindu avatar then retracted some statements, and denied a few other tennets of Islam.

Anyway, we have been over this issue several times. I'm not a fan of modernist Muslims trying to pull revisionist apologetics on the most authentic sources in Islam.

http://www.lamppostproductions.org/a...fMyBeloved.htm

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...ID=4604&CATE=1

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...=2376&CATE=120

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Polemics/aishah.html

Now please end your pathetic attempts to revise the most authentic sources of Islamic tradition (especially with the publications of cult founders that you repudiate in the next breath) to improve your religion and it's Prophet's general P.R. We have authentic testimony from Aisha herself -- and I'm sure SK agrees with me.

photomasterx · 04-03-2006, 04:43 PM

http://www.answering-christianity.com/age3.htm

guym · 04-03-2006, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by photomasterx

http://www.answering-christianity.com/age3.htm

Why haven't you voted yet?

n1rv4n4 · 04-03-2006, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by guym

Why haven't you voted yet?

Looks like he's boycotting it. Afterall, the Bible is a pedophile too.

974g63awd · 04-03-2006, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by n1rv4n4

Now please end your pathetic attempts to revise the most authentic sources of Islamic tradition (especially with the publications of cult founders that you repudiate in the next breath) to improve your religion and it's Prophet's general P.R. We have authentic testimony from Aisha herself -- and I'm sure SK agrees with me.

Do you really have nothing better to do? Im not doubting anything your saying. Im sure it took a long time to copy and paste all your info. But what is the point of trying to spread all the negatives of a certain religion? What good is it doing? Your 19 years old and you probably spend all your time on the computer. Go out and get a fu*king life, seriously. Stop wasting all your time with this garbage and do something worth while.

photomasterx · 04-03-2006, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by guym

Why haven't you voted yet?

thats becuase this thread is presented in a one way fashion. n1vana has been caught lying by me. he claimed muslims tryed to change the age of aisha to suit the west but infatc i showed him the link from the thread he claimed it was done in and it showed the date of the research to be from the 1920's before people ever accused mohammed of pedophillia. and thats the fact.

so he has basically just said she was 6 or 9 years old without actually providing all the sides of the story and when he did provide the other side he twisted and lied about it. This thread is not a fair thread thats why i dont participate in it. but i do think his marrage was justifies becuase aisha asked mohammed for marrage and before she married him she already had made a desicion not to marry another person hence she had the mental capasity to choose who she did or didnt want to marry. so if she chose to marry him then the marrige was okay.

n1rv4n4 · 04-03-2006, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 974g63awd

Do you really have nothing better to do? Im not doubting anything your saying. Im sure it took a long time to copy and paste all your info. But what is the point of trying to spread all the negatives of a certain religion? What good is it doing? Your 19 years old and you probably spend all your time on the computer. Go out and get a fu*king life, seriously. Stop wasting all your time with this garbage and do something worth while. You probably don't have to many friends but thats not gonna get better if your spending all day jerking off to internet porn and posting here.

One thing is for sure, my porn involves lesbians 18+, and not 6-9 year old little, baby girls. And my dreams are wet dreams, not holy decrees from Allah to marry pre-pubescent girls.

Looks like I hit a sore nerve on the forum's self-professed ex-Muslim.

974g63awd · 04-03-2006, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by n1rv4n4

One thing is for sure, my porn involves lesbians 18+, and not 6-9 year old little, baby girls. And my dreams are wet dreams, not holy decrees from Allah to marry pre-pubescent girls.

Looks like I hit a sore nerve on the forum's self-professed ex-Muslim.

It was a JOKE bro. And if you want to strike a nerve in me, talking **** about islam is not the way to do it. **** I'll be happy to do so right along your side. Now you were saying something about lesbian porn...

EOY · 04-03-2006, 05:09 PM

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Just can't let go, can you ?

What's the point, may I ask? I mean, we've already discussed this countless times. Does adding a poll make a difference? I don't think so. What more could you possibly milk from this subject?

Too bad, I was thinking maybe you found something new to bash about Islam. Your anti-Islam campaign needs innovation.

n1rv4n4 · 04-03-2006, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by EOY

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Just can't let go, can you ?

What's the point, may I ask? I mean, we've already discussed this countless times. Does adding a poll make a difference? I don't think so. What more could you possibly milk from this subject?

Too bad, I was thinking maybe you found something new to bash about Islam. Your anti-Islam campaign needs innovation.

I guess people just love Muhammad too much.

Now let's see the board's opinion on his great and holy sexual conquests.

EOY · 04-03-2006, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by n1rv4n4

I guess people just love Muhammad too much.

Now let's see the board's opinion on his great sexual conquests.

But then what? What does it matter to you? It's not going to change anything. Muslims will be Muslims no matter what you do. People have their opinions, but that won't affect Islam in any way. I really don't see where you're going with this. If we were discussing this subject for the first time, I'd understand. But now, after being discussed too many times already, I don't see the point.

974g63awd · 04-03-2006, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by EOY

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Just can't let go, can you ?

What's the point, may I ask? I mean, we've already discussed this countless times. Does adding a poll make a difference? I don't think so. What more could you possibly milk from this subject?

Too bad, I was thinking maybe you found something new to bash about Islam. Your anti-Islam campaign needs innovation.

May I ask you something? If some random handicap child is bothering you, is it worth trying to discipline him? Better yet, is it worth even getting upset over?

n1rv4n4 · 04-03-2006, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by EOY

But then what? What does it matter to you? It's not going to change anything. Muslims will be Muslims no matter what you do. People have their opinions, but that won't affect Islam in any way. I really don't see where you're going with this. If we were discussing this subject for the first time, I'd understand. But now, after being discussed too many times already, I don't see the point.

Muslims will be Muslims where they have to be Muslims. If they decide to not be Muslims, they might find their heads on chopping blocks or their bodies burried neck deep in sand for stoning.

I believe that free-thought, public scholarship, and democratic expression should have no end. Now if this topic is dead, why are you posting in the thread, and why did you vote in the poll? Looks like you can't get enough.

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Originally Posted by 974g63awd

May I ask you something? If some random handicap child is bothering you, is it worth trying to discipline him? Better yet, is it worth even getting upset over?

Better question, is it worth burning buildings, exploding or beheading people over?

EOY · 04-03-2006, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 974g63awd

May I ask you something? If some random handicap child is bothering you, is it worth trying to discipline him? Better yet, is it worth even getting upset over?

Nah, I'd just have pity on him and help him look for his parents.

EOY · 04-03-2006, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by n1rv4n4

Muslims will be Muslims where they have to be Muslims. If they decide to not be Muslims, they might find their heads on chopping blocks or their bodies burried neck deep in sand for stoning.

What's the point of mentioning that in this thread? That's irrelevant. You just gave away your agenda. Give it a rest already, we all know you hate Muslims. We hate you too.

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Originally Posted by n1rv4n4

I believe that free-thought, public scholarship, and democratic expression should have no end. Now if this topic is dead, why are you posting in the thread, and why did you vote in the poll? Looks like you can't get enough.

You really think this thought is helping further the cause of democracy ? LMAO

This has nothing to do with democracy. You already expressed your opinion about Islam and Muslims, so did other people on this forum. We get it. Unless you have some other aspect of Islam to discuss (bash), I suggest you move along.

When someone attacks my religion, I respond. That's why I bothered with your poll. I don't shy away from my religion, no matter what you think of it. And yes, this thread is about bashing Islam, just like all your threads. Anyone with half a brain knows this. It's very obvious, you're not doing a good job covering your agenda. Now please, answer this: What is the point of all this? What will you gain from all those meaningless threads?

EOY · 04-03-2006, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by n1rv4n4

Better question, is it worth burning buildings, exploding or beheading people over?

Again, you just showed everyone what this thread is really about. You're just looking for another Islam bash fest.

It's getting old.

974g63awd · 04-03-2006, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by n1rv4n4

Better question, is it worth burning buildings, exploding or beheading people over?

I wasn't asking you anything f*g boy. And why are you interested in pedophilia? Let me guess, daddy used to visit your bed room in the middle of the night while mommy just sat there and watched. And now your blamming the ass rapings on these savages. Makes sense.

NAP_s_king · 04-03-2006, 05:51 PM

I hope SyrianKid is going to chime in, as I'm not sure a marriage is valid at the age of SIX (surely she hadn't entered puberty then). I understand that the marriage was cosumated by the age of NINE.

Thanks

guym · 04-03-2006, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 974g63awd

I wasn't asking you anything f*g boy. And why are you interested in pedophilia? Let me guess, daddy used to visit your bed room in the middle of the night while mommy just sat there and watched. And now your blamming the ass rapings on these savages. Makes sense.

Now THAT, along with the "...spending too much time on your computer..." arguements really convinces me.

You are right. I am converting ASAP. Thank you for showing me the light.

What is the purpose of this thread? Read the title! We want to know! Who here supports pedophillia?

974g63awd · 04-03-2006, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by guym

Now THAT, along with the "...spending too much time on your computer..." arguements really convinces me.

You are right. I am converting ASAP. Thank you for showing me the light.

What is the purpose of this thread? Read the title! We want to know! Who here supports pedophillia?

Im not trying to convince you anything. I could give 2 ****s what you want to believe. And who the fu*k is making you convert to anything??? If you can read, you would of read that I agree with whatever the thread starter is saying. He simply was being a smart ass to me so I thought I would return the favor. Don't get you panties all tied up. And if you think Im muslim, YOU ARE WRONG. I used to be. Now I don't have a problem with what the thread starter is saying. Im sure there is some truth to it. I just don't understand why the thread starter keeps beating the dead horse. And dead is a understatment. The horse is now decomposing.

NAP_s_king · 04-03-2006, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 974g63awd

And if you think Im muslim, YOU ARE WRONG. I used to be.

For your sake, I hope you live in North America or Europe, I wouldn't go around saying that in say, Afghanistan

n1rv4n4 · 04-03-2006, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by EOY

What's the point of mentioning that in this thread? That's irrelevant. You just gave away your agenda. Give it a rest already, we all know you hate Muslims. We hate you too.

Muslims are actually the first and foremost victims of Islam. Especially Muslim women, and the little child-brides that Muhammad and his ilk has purported to be women for their personal, sexual fulfillment.

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You really think this thought is helping further the cause of democracy ? LMAO

This has nothing to do with democracy. You already expressed your opinion about Islam and Muslims, so did other people on this forum. We get it. Unless you have some other aspect of Islam to discuss (bash), I suggest you move along.

I understand that in Islamic countries, free-thought and democratic expression are considered blasphemous, especially if it questions the licentious behavior of the Prophet and his sexual conquests on girls who have no attained the double digits of age. Even more disturbing is the fact that Muslims around the world strive to imitate this behavior, and thus carry the torch of backwardness and barbarity into the new millennium under the guise of it being holy. Your refusal to come to grips with reality is simply evidence of the victimization of your thought process. Opening your eyes, thinking freely, and standing for human rights should not be an offense against anything in heaven or earth.

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When someone attacks my religion, I respond. That's why I bothered with your poll. I don't shy away from my religion, no matter what you think of it. And yes, this thread is about bashing Islam, just like all your threads. Anyone with half a brain knows this. It's very obvious, you're not doing a good job covering your agenda. Now please, answer this: What is the point of all this? What will you gain from all those meaningless threads?

The point of all this is to let everyone know what Islam really entails. While we would all like to believe in our hearts that all religions are essentially good, that they all teach love for your fellow man, and peace for all peoples, this is unfortunately not a reality in Islam. It does not teach these sacred truths. Rather, the words of the Prophet Muhammad make clear that Islam's tenets are in fact the very antithesis of these truths. His words glorify acts of religious violence, promote sick sexual relationships between adults and children, openly call for the execution of those who leave Islam, and a whole slew of other terrible things.

As such, it is expected that freedom loving peoples should these grievous assaults on human dignity known and common sensibility known, and stand for human rights, equality, and what’s right whether it is in the face of a brutal political ideology or a brutal theocracy as is demanded by the Prophet of Islam.

Now, I wonder what the point of SYRIANKID’s ceaseless, yearlong robotic spam is?

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Again, you just showed everyone what this thread is really about. You're just looking for another Islam bash fest.

It's getting old.

You are welcome to read the arguments and see the thread title to see what this thread is about.