My rant about PUAs...

Confucius Taoka · 04-02-2006, 06:21 AM

After reading Neil Strauss "The Game" and my adventures on seduction websites, as well as trying to be Alpha, and failing so many times with the ladies, I have really thought about this whole PUA thing.

PUAs have a gang of codes of conduct, techniques and routines that had just turned the entire dating scene into work, they perform the same **** everytime they see a girl... I've read Neil throughout his pick up adventures, he pulls off the same stuff. I just feel as though the whole PUA thing is just senseless and I pity the fools who are sucked into the whole PUA lifestyle, some of the people in the book are really messed up and need mental help... if "sarging" is all you do...

I've been trying a little too hard lately to get some attention to the chicks, I haven't tried to use any of those openers or routines, most of the girls I've interacted with were part of a group that my friend introduced me to. I did the eye contact thing and the smile, but I think I overdid it, I tried to act Alpha, not giving a **** about girls in a macho way, but in the end things didn't work out well... not saying that the girl turned me down or anything but I can feel it that the girl is thinking "the **** is wrong with this fool?". I know you shouldn't give a **** about what people think, but if girls are thinking like that about you... you know you're doing something wrong.

I think I'm going to let go... I'm not going to give a damn about trying to impress girls, I'm going to meet girls to make friends, learn to interact with them and then... try to get a girlfriend my way... not the PUA way...

The end of my gay ass rant...

But seriously, share your thoughts about PUAs, your opinions on techniques routines etc...

Ruthless4Life · 04-02-2006, 06:31 AM

I think those who are conscious about being PUAs are only insecure about themselves. I'm not a PUA. I just do my own thing, for better for worse. But the thing is I feel good about myself because I'm true to myself. Either the girl likes me for being a loser or not, I could care less what she thinks about it. If being a considerate human being makes me a "nice guy", then so be it. I'm only human, not a robot. And women aren't robots either. They have feelings just like the rest of us. Most of the PUA theories are downright disrespectful and immoral for the most part towards women. I still have a heart.

fkn_give_me_abs · 04-02-2006, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Confucius Taoka

After reading Neil Strauss "The Game" and my adventures on seduction websites, as well as trying to be Alpha, and failing so many times with the ladies, I have really thought about this whole PUA thing.

PUAs have a gang of codes of conduct, techniques and routines that had just turned the entire dating scene into work, they perform the same **** everytime they see a girl... I've read Neil throughout his pick up adventures, he pulls off the same stuff. I just feel as though the whole PUA thing is just senseless and I pity the fools who are sucked into the whole PUA lifestyle, some of the people in the book are really messed up and need mental help... if "sarging" is all you do...

I've been trying a little too hard lately to get some attention to the chicks, I haven't tried to use any of those openers or routines, most of the girls I've interacted with were part of a group that my friend introduced me to. I did the eye contact thing and the smile, but I think I overdid it, I tried to act Alpha, not giving a **** about girls in a macho way, but in the end things didn't work out well... not saying that the girl turned me down or anything but I can feel it that the girl is thinking "the **** is wrong with this fool?". I know you shouldn't give a **** about what people think, but if girls are thinking like that about you... you know you're doing something wrong.

I think I'm going to let go... I'm not going to give a damn about trying to impress girls, I'm going to meet girls to make friends, learn to interact with them and then... try to get a girlfriend my way... not the PUA way...

The end of my gay ass rant...

But seriously, share your thoughts about PUAs, your opinions on techniques routines etc...

you "havent tried their openers", and you're saying it doesn't work?

and the not giving a **** about girls in the macho way phase almost everyone goes through, it's where you try too hard to be a badass and end up coming off like a jerk. it takes more than a month to figure out the perfect amount of jerk and cool, funny guy mixture.

good luck with "your way", sounds like it worked real good beforehand :S

not to say you have to follow the exact same methods the puas follow, but the majority of the stuff the guys talk about are pretty much essential to use in order to get a girl attracted (body posture, being the prize, becoming socialabe etc). using this stuff you can mould your own game.

sounds to me that you're a quitter and that you are trying to put the puas down in order to make yourself feel better for not continuing until you succeed.

just a bit of tough love

Confucius Taoka · 04-02-2006, 07:02 AM

^ Well to be honest, I never really completely agreed with some of the PUA techniques... BUT some of the social interaction stuff, like eye-contact and smile, I agree with, and being a good listener, its common sense, common sense that people don't know or don't make use of.

I dated my first girlfriend because I was myself, I was at a stage where I didn't give a damn about girls, because I was coming out of what PUAs called the AFC mode, I got hurt because a crush turned me down and a lot of crazy **** happened because of my AFC ways... that I believe, I believe in the AFC thing.

I guess your right in me trying to put down PUAs to make me feel better, because its what people do when they are jealous of people's success. But I never really went down the lane of a PUA in trying openers...

BTW I didn't say they didn't work, I recalled a story told my Neil Strauss...

Plus, I know from experience that a lot of techniques PUAs have don't work for the girls I am into, and know of...

K_Ching · 04-02-2006, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Confucius Taoka

...I tried to act Alpha, not giving a **** about girls in a macho way...

You've completely misunderstood the whole alpha thing. First of all, it's not about acting, it's about being. And it's definitely not about "not giving a **** about girls in a macho way".

honeynut · 04-02-2006, 10:09 AM

Confucius I don't think you have anything to worry about. The girls are like "wtf" because they can percieve the unnaturalness of what you're doing. You don't sound like a guy who needs to work on his game, you sound like you've got enough confidence and self-respect to like people legitimately and have them like you genuinely in return. Stop worrying and just enjoy yourself. You have a spark of confidence that needs to be nurtured, not stunted with all kinds of behavioural limits.

MoGeaYuglay · 04-02-2006, 10:50 AM

There is something to be said for being naturally charming and comfortable with women as you are with guys.

You just can't learn that sort of stuff and implement it with 100% accuracy.

Jeremy-Vincent · 04-02-2006, 10:56 AM

learn to calibrate.

you probably came off as incongruent.

Pumpin45_s · 04-02-2006, 12:07 PM

While the "PUAs" have a lot of good advice, they just seem soulless. Their only purpose is to get the hottest chicks who are also stuck up, pompous, selfish, controlling, rude, disrespectful, etc for the sole purpose of banging them. They don't give a **** about personality, just another trophy to stroke their egos.

MoGeaYuglay · 04-02-2006, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpin45_s

While the "PUAs" have a lot of good advice, they just seem soulless. Their only purpose is to get the hottest chicks who are also stuck up, pompous, selfish, controlling, rude, disrespectful, etc for the sole purpose of banging them. They don't give a **** about personality, just another trophy to stroke their egos.

exactly. it's fun for awhile, but then it just goes on to be unfulfilling in the end.

TheBull · 04-02-2006, 03:03 PM

Well heres whats wrong.

Youre ACTING like you dont give a ****.

You have to NOT GIVE A ****.

Just keep it simple. Who cares what they think of you anyways. Think of something different.

Confucius Taoka · 04-02-2006, 03:15 PM

Guys! Thanks for your contributions...

They are all good reads...

Kilburn · 04-02-2006, 04:34 PM

the **** that they do is actually really hard because i am not naturally outgoing.

probably best to work on each section individually, first try to hold eyecontact, then work on storytelling, etc etc.

For me, it's easy to keep eyecontact when they are talking to you obviously but difficult when i'm talking to them, why is this.

MickeySins · 04-02-2006, 08:09 PM

I havent read The Game but I have read and watched alot of david deangelo's material, along with mystery's and tyler durden's, and the fastseduction website. What I got from it is that they all teach the same things, except they have different techniques to apply it. So I just took what they teach and came up with my own techniques that apply the same thing.

Mystery's material is mind blowing, but the way he uses his material isn't quite my style. He talks really fast and will have four convo's going at the same time lol I guess if i practised it enough I could make it natural to do, but I like my own style and I like coming up with my own stuff. My style is alot like Craig's (David D's friend). I like his style the best, it's just playful and funny, and he's got great tips.