Ohhh looky looky, A soldier spills the beans about what's really going on in Iraq!

[Tamacracker]

Source? LOL They're not going to tell you.. are you insane? Thank God for connections, that's for damn sure.

The Truth Speaks Louder
Lets all have a reality check and take a much closer look at the intense situation in Iraq. Everyone has their own ideas of why we are there and what we are accomplishing.

Truth Speaks is in no way attempting to change your view or tell you that you are wrong.

We are not an anti-war organization and we are not trying to influence any type of public response. We are simply going to point out a few points of interest that the media has yet to mention and therefore the public probably hasn't thought of.

We are going to attempt to show you (the public) another side of the story on the war in Iraq that you won't hear about from politicians.

Why are we in Iraq. What is our goal and mission there. I thought we were fighting a war on terrorism; so what are we doing in Iraq? These are questions being asked more and more frequently by the public and even the armed forces stationed in Iraq. Everyone is failing to see what real accomplishments if any are being made.
This all started as a search for Weapons of Mass Destruction that the Bush administration was prepared to swear on the lives of their children Saddam Hussien had. However after many intense months of searching for WMDs the story suddenly changed.

We are not hear for WMDs anymore. No. Our mission is and always was to put Saddam Hussien out of power. Oh you thought we were in Iraq to find WMDs? No. Intelligence shows that Saddam and Osama are buddies. They may be working together to destroy the United States. We must stop them.

This too has been proven to be inaccurate. Osama Bin Ladan is not fond of Saddam Hussien in anyway and does not consider him to be a valuable contribution to his goals.

So the the story changes again.


We are now here to liberate the Iraqi people from a murderous dictator and protect them as they make their way into becoming a free democracy with elected leaders.
This is our most current mission in Iraq. This seems to be a very noble reason to be there. Americans every where should be proud of our part in freeing these poor poor people from the clutches of a madman.

I am sure that the Iraqi people can breathe easier now. Althought they obviously have a long way to go before they feel completely secure.

What is going on now is that there are several different enthic groups in Iraq who feel they are entitled to ruling Iraq. It is not personally aimed at the United States. We are just in the way. Perhaps they feel their party was ousted when Saddam took power and they should be rightfully restored to power in Iraq or maybe they just feel its their turn to rule.

Many obviously just have alot of distrust for other ethical groups and fear what might happen to them if that group was to obtain power. So naturally they are going to fight it out until they learn to get along and tolerate their differences.

The future of Iraq is likely going to be a violent one for decades to come. One thing is for certain. It will not be as brutal as Saddam's regime was.


The United States and other coalition forces should probably just get out of dodge and go home for a few reasons.
1. We are not fighting terrorism in Iraq, we are creating terrorism and hatred. Many children are going to want revenge on us when they grow up because they lost their parents to our bombs. we are only creating enemies with our presence in Iraq.

2. Iraq was not in anyway involved in the attacks of 9-11 2001.

3. It is not our fight. The iraqi people do not want or need us there. This is something they need to work out for themselves. We need to encourage a peaceful resolution from talks not by military presence.

4. Finally, although the most current reason for our presence in Iraq is a noble one, it is not the true reason we are there.


Remember Afghanistan? This fight has not ended. It is still going on every day and night. It is growing even more intense as Al Queda and Tabiban forces are regrouping.
This is the fight the American people should be demanding results from. This is the fight we should be demanding media coverage from.

For some reason the fighting in Afghanistan has been almost unheard of for the last 2 years. Yet it is the only fight directly related to Setember 11th 2001 and the war on terrorism. This is were our real enemies originated from and are still hiding.

Why was the attention suddenly switched from Afghanistan and finding Bin Laden to Iraq and finding WMDs, or Saddam Hussien or Liberating the Iraqi people.

The answer is simple. We still don't have Bin Laden and the American people want fast result. American's are not patient people. We will only wait so long for something then we lose interest and cease to support a cause.

So what happened to inspire the Bush Administration to launch attacks on Iraq?

George Bush was catching alot of heat from the american people and the media for not having arrested or confirmed a killing of Osama Bin Laden. So he said to himself. I don't know where Bin Laden is but I know where Saddam Hussien is. If I can convince the American people that he is a major threat to us or was involved with 9-11 2001, I am sure the American people will be screaming for his head and that will take the attention off the fact that I have yet to bring the real terrorist and enemy number one to justice.

That is how it happened. That is why so many of us are or have family members in Iraq. That is why so many of us have lost focus of the real fight. That is why we are in a world of trouble all so George Bush could save face.

And you wonder why he is starting to bully Iran now? Because the American public had enough of Iraq now he needs to find another distraction.

God forbid we attack Iran next...

Link to the source: http://www.geocities.com/truthspeaks9/

P.S. Don't bother trying to figure out the name on the account of geocities, this information was mailed to someone we know that was told to put this up on a website of any sort and exploit it. This is from a soldier in Iraq and our own soldiers dislike what they're doing but because they cannot just stop and say, hey you know what? Fawk you! I want to go back home now! They can't... they're stuck there by military law; as long as they're healthy and don't have any medical conditions.

Hey conservatives, how about you send your damn children, fathers, mothers, aunts, uncles, friends etc.. to war... yeah I bet you wont, but you still support young, middle aged, and old Americans to keep killing and getting killed. Thanks alot.

[adidamps2]

Originally Posted by Tamacracker

This is from a soldier in Iraq and our own soldiers dislike what they're doing but because they cannot just stop and say, hey you know what? Fawk you! I want to go back home now! They can't... they're stuck there by military law; as long as they're healthy and don't have any medical conditions.

any soldier who doesn't like the present situation they are in is a dumb ass. WE signed the papers to join the Military. we new the risks. the military isn't just about college money and a free ride. it's about serving our country and going were ever uncle sam sends us, when ever he wants for how ever long he asks/tells us. rather we as soldiers like it or not. its a volunteer military and these pukes who are bitching about "what ever", volunteered for it. end of story.

[Tamacracker]

I love it, bring me more hate baby... this is the conservative psychotic robotic mentallity, thanks Adidamps2... you just proved to not give a fawk about humans. And you know damn well the reason why those soldiers are disgusted... cause it was all over lies... LIES you evil lethargic satanic bastard drone.

[adidamps2]

Originally Posted by Tamacracker

I love it, bring me more hate baby... this is the conservative psychotic robotic mentallity, thanks Adidamps2... you just proved to not give a fawk about humans. And you know damn well the reason why those soldiers are disgusted... cause it was all over lies... LIES you evil lethargic satanic bastard drone.

i am a soldier. it not about the article its about the soldier who placed his name on the dotted line. its our duty to serve. any one who signes the papers knows this. it doesnt matter if i as a soldier agree's with why they are there or not. it what they are going to do because that is what is expected. i signed the papers i know the risks, i realize i won't agree with every reason the gov't comes up with to go to war, but it is my place to do what they say because that is what i signed up for.

also lets not call names here please. i did not call you anything. keep it clean mang.

[Melkor]

Tama, calm down man. You are really on one tonight eh? lol Don't let them take over your mind!

His point is very valid, those in the military are there because they chose to be, not because they were forced. If they don't like what they do then they shouldn't have joined.

[adidamps2]

Originally Posted by Melkor

Tama, calm down man. You are really on one tonight eh? lol Don't let them take over your mind!

His point is very valid, those in the military are there because they chose to be, not because they were forced. If they don't like what they do then they shouldn't have joined.

yep. we signed up for what ever war the gov't placed before us. we were not drafted, we had a choice. and i made mine, to serve.

[vansciver]

no matter what!

[Derek0783]

lies? terrorism is a lie? That's news to me.

Yes, Bush made a terrible case for going to war. He should have been more straight up with the people of america and made a better reason to go to war. He should have been like, Iraq is a threat, and we'll have to invade when we begin wrapping up the taliban instead of exagerrating the whole Saddam/Taliban link. But, then if he was straight up with the people, would the people suddenly allow him to take us to war? Would you have been for the war if Bush gave a more honest case for going to war?

Either way, it was most important that we went to war. That is the most relevant point. Terrorism needs to be destroyed and NO! IT CAN"T WAIT!

It has to be dealt with now before technology advances to the point any crazy terrorist nut can manufacture his own signature lethal virus on his microsoft 2015 home edition laptop & 3D bio-printer, then ship it to the us via remote-controlled robotic masquitos that self-replicate at mind boggling rates and succeed in infecting and killing 63% of the US population before scientists can develope a cure.

[Tamacracker]

Originally Posted by Melkor

Tama, calm down man. You are really on one tonight eh? lol Don't let them take over your mind!

His point is very valid, those in the military are there because they chose to be, not because they were forced. If they don't like what they do then they shouldn't have joined.

Yes, and did you know the moral of the U.S. military in general has been dropping? Without morale you cannot fight a battle, you will feel as if you're always losing, as if there is no winning this fight. Like they knew they'd be getting themselves into a war over lies? No human being likes to fight over something that has nothing to do with them to begin with.

I understand you sign up rather because of your pride and patriotism or because of your financial status but c'mon... lets be human about this crap... the soldiers are getting tired and disgusted by all the truth that has came out. Man I wish you guys came out one night to a club so I can tell my boy you called him a bitch ass pussy, lets see how you would handle it

[adidamps2]

Originally Posted by vansciver

no matter what!

......

[Melkor]

Originally Posted by Tamacracker

Yes, and did you know the moral of the U.S. military in general has been dropping? Without morale you cannot fight a battle, you will feel as if you're always losing, as if there is no winning this fight. Like they knew they'd be getting themselves into a war over lies? No human being likes to fight over something that has nothing to do with them to begin with.

Actually, from what I understand the military has one of the highest rates of people signing back up that it has ever had right now. I'm sure that some soldiers are feeling demoralized, but I'm also sure that some of those same soldiers would feel demoralized if they had to walk to the kitchen to get themselves a soda instead of their mommy bringing it to them. I may be wrong, but I doubt it.

Originally Posted by Tamacracker

I understand you sign up rather because of your pride and patriotism or because of your financial status but c'mon... lets be human about this crap... the soldiers are getting tired and disgusted by all the truth that has came out.

I'm not sure what "truth" you're referring to. THe facts as of right now are fairly similar to what they were when the war started. There hasn't been a lot of breaking news one way or the other. The only reason people have changed their minds (as far as I can see) is that it is taking too long. Americans have a 30 second attention span, thanks to TV.

Originally Posted by Tamacracker

Man I wish you guys came out one night to a club so I can tell my boy you called him a bitch ass pussy, lets see how you would handle it

I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean. Are you even talking to me here? I think you got "stoned stupid" tonight.

[Tamacracker]

Originally Posted by Derek0783

lies? terrorism is a lie? That's news to me.

Yes, Bush made a terrible case for going to war. He should have been more straight up with the people of america and made a better reason to go to war. He should have been like, Iraq is a threat, and we'll have to invade when we begin wrapping up the taliban instead of exagerrating the whole Saddam/Taliban link. But, then if he was straight up with the people, would the people suddenly allow him to take us to war? Would you have been for the war if Bush gave a more honest case for going to war?

Either way, it was most important that we went to war. That is the most relevant point. Terrorism needs to be destroyed and NO! IT CAN"T WAIT!

It has to be dealt with now before technology advances to the point any crazy terrorist nut can manufacture his own signature lethal virus on his microsoft 2015 home edition laptop & 3D bio-printer, then ship it to the us via remote-controlled robotic masquitos that self-replicate at mind boggling rates and succeed in infecting and killing 63% of the US population before scientists can develope a cure.

LOL Terrorist... I used to think we were attacked by terrorist, until I stopped listening to those hateful bastards. You know why you can't find Bin Laden? Cuz home boy's chillin in his mansion smoking a fat ass cigar here on American soil and not givin a fawk bout you, this country, his people, and his country. He wants that deniro.. that money, that mula. He's already sold his soul and he's trying to live out his life. They'll call him up to get dressed into his precious uniform, sit down on the studio set and get on live T.V. to tell us about how him and his thugs are gonna send another terrorist attack.

[adidamps2]

Originally Posted by Tamacracker

Yes, and did you know the moral of the U.S. military in general has been dropping? Without morale you cannot fight a battle, you will feel as if you're always losing, as if there is no winning this fight. Like they knew they'd be getting themselves into a war over lies? No human being likes to fight over something that has nothing to do with them to begin with.

umm when you join the army/military what the hell did you think you would be doing?? knitting sweater's? its a WAR MACHINE, its what we train for, its something you dont want to do but will do when called upon. and being in the miliatry i can assure you moral is not low. people are still joining everyday. people are staying in longer. are you in the military?

Originally Posted by Tamacracker

Man I wish you guys came out one night to a club so I can tell my boy you called him a bitch ass pussy, lets see how you would handle it .

umm this has nothing to do with your argument. and if he doesnt like being a soldier then he shouldn't have signed up.

[adidamps2]

Originally Posted by Tamacracker

LOL Terrorist... I used to think we were attacked by terrorist, until I stopped listening to those hateful bastards. You know why you can't find Bin Laden? Cuz home boy's chillin in his mansion smoking a fat ass cigar here on American soil and not givin a fawk bout you, this country, his people, and his country. He wants that deniro.. that money, that mula. He's already sold his soul and he's trying to live out his life. They'll call him up to get dressed into his precious uniform, set down on the studio set and get on live T.V. to tell us about how him and his thugs are gonna send another terrorist attack.

ok your whole thesis/arguement just went out the window with me. your just here to argue and nothing else.

[Tamacracker]

Originally Posted by Tamacracker
Man I wish you guys came out one night to a club so I can tell my boy you called him a bitch ass pussy, lets see how you would handle it

I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean. Are you even talking to me here? I think you got "stoned stupid" tonight.


What I'm sayin is... you're about to get your ass wooped for no reason, you never asked for it, you never provoked it. No Melkor I don't literally mean it towards you... I meant to use it as an idea of what I'm talkin about... an example.

[Mr Beer]

Originally Posted by adidamps2

No matter what

C'mon, I don't think you mean that. If the Army had you guarding concentration camps and loading up the ovens like Auschwitz, you're telling me you'd salute and carry on? I think you mean "no matter what...within reasonable limits."

[adidamps2]

Originally Posted by Mr Beer

C'mon, I don't think you mean that. If the Army had you guarding concentration camps and loading up the ovens like Auschwitz, you're telling me you'd salute and carry on? I think you mean "no matter what...within reasonable limits."

umm the scenerio you gave is not a "LAWFUL ORDER" i can refuse to not follow it do to that. the milary has its own laws and such and your right to a degree, but when uncle sams says pack up your **** we're going to war! thats what i am going to do.

[Tamacracker]

Originally Posted by adidamps2

ok your whole thesis/arguement just went out the window with me. your just here to argue and nothing else.

Uh... If I some how disrespected you... or flamed you.. some way that wasn't my intensions. I'm argueing for the soldiers who can't come home and want to come... the soldiers that are sick and tired of killing over the whole 9/11.

Ugh... nevermind they already brain washed you, you're a soldier, a drone, you take orders and execute them.. you're a human killin machine lol again it's not disrespectin you.. it's just the truth.

[adidamps2]

Originally Posted by Tamacracker

What I'm sayin is... you're about to get your ass wooped for no reason, you never asked for it, you never provoked it. No Melkor I don't literally mean it towards you... I meant to use it as an idea of what I'm talkin about... an example.

i dont get your example?

[Mr Beer]

Originally Posted by adidamps2

umm the scenerio you gave is not a "LAWFUL ORDER" i can refuse to not follow it do to that. the milary has its own laws and such and your right to a degree, but when uncle sams says pack up your **** we're going to war! thats what i am going to do.

Yeah, I hear you. I'm just being pedantic.

[adidamps2]

Originally Posted by Tamacracker

Uh... If I some how disrespected you... or flamed you.. some way that wasn't my intensions. I'm argueing for the soldiers who can't come home and want to come... the soldiers that are sick and tired of killing over the whole 9/11.

Ugh... nevermind they already brain washed you, you're a soldier, a drone, you take orders and execute them.. you're a human killin machine lol again it's not disrespectin you.. it's just the truth.

i dont think you get it. i'm not brain washed (i'm not a JARHEAD ) it's really simple. soldiers, all soldiers, signed up for the military, we VOLUNTEERED. if they do't like their current situation they should have more thoroughly thought out what they were getting them selves into. i know there are soldiers who want to come home and soldiers who dont want to be there. but those are the soldiers who didn't oin to serve those are the pukes who signed up for the college fund and to see the world and maybe learn a few skills for the real world. well tuff ****. when you sign the papers you sign to serve everything else they WANTED is second to that. you serve first.

[adidamps2]

Originally Posted by Mr Beer

Yeah, I hear you. I'm just being pedantic.

please don't use such big words as i am a soldier and can only process so much at one time...lol please rephrase with a synonym. TY

[Melkor]

Originally Posted by Tamacracker

Uh... If I some how disrespected you... or flamed you.. some way that wasn't my intensions. I'm argueing for the soldiers who can't come home and want to come... the soldiers that are sick and tired of killing over the whole 9/11.

Ugh... nevermind they already brain washed you, you're a soldier, a drone, you take orders and execute them.. you're a human killin machine lol again it's not disrespectin you.. it's just the truth.

Tamacracker, you're falling into the horrible trap of thinking/saying that anyone who doesn't think the way you do or agree with your views is brainwashed/evil/a drone. Don't do that. When you do that you lose your ability to reason, because you instantly discard any view other than your own. You can be a decent guy, stick with that. Feel free to argue your viewpoint, just don't start doing it like that. It's a terrible habit, and it makes your viewpoint seem a lot less likely to be valid as well.

[the next arnold]

Originally Posted by Melkor

Tamacracker, you're falling into the horrible trap of thinking/saying that anyone who doesn't think the way you do or agree with your views is brainwashed/evil/a drone. Don't do that. When you do that you lose your ability to reason, because you instantly discard any view other than your own. You can be a decent guy, stick with that. Feel free to argue your viewpoint, just don't start doing it like that. It's a terrible habit, and it makes your viewpoint seem a lot less likely to be valid as well.

agreed

like novax, anybody who dosent agree with his view is an idiot/pussy liberal/uneducated/low IQ

[Tamacracker]

Originally Posted by Melkor

Tamacracker, you're falling into the horrible trap of thinking/saying that anyone who doesn't think the way you do or agree with your views is brainwashed/evil/a drone. Don't do that. When you do that you lose your ability to reason, because you instantly discard any view other than your own. You can be a decent guy, stick with that. Feel free to argue your viewpoint, just don't start doing it like that. It's a terrible habit, and it makes your viewpoint seem a lot less likely to be valid as well.

Ah dammit Melkor you're right... I'm sorry. It just sucks man... no one wants this war other than the ones who were fooled into believing that the Islamic people support and praise Bin Laden as a terrorist and they will fight till the end for Bin Laden and his thugs. And the fact that these soldiers are out protecting "OIL" and massively killin the Iraqis or Islamic people in general because they're told to. You know how many poor lives have been ripped apart, have been lost and they didn't even have weapons to defend themselves? You know how many soldiers have died, and not for a cause other than greed for imperialism.

Bro I just thank God I dont have a family member or a friend who's in Iraqi soil and worrying about who's dying next and will they live to see the next day. I have a friend in the NAVY and I'm happy he only sets foot on Japanese soil once in a while for entertainment or shopping. Man sometimes I wish I had a couple of my own damn missiles... I'd send it straight to the White House and the Pentagon. No disrespect to this country, I just want to tear down the government once and for all and rebuild it the way it was created.

[adidamps2]

Originally Posted by Tamacracker

Ah dammit Melkor you're right... I'm sorry. It just sucks man... no one wants this war other than the ones who were fooled into believing that the Islamic people support and praise Bin Laden as a terrorist and they will fight till the end for Bin Laden and his thugs. And the fact that these soldiers are out protecting "OIL" and massively killin the Iraqis or Islamic people in general because they're told to. You know how many poor lives have been ripped apart, have been lost and they didn't even have weapons to defend themselves? You know how many soldiers have died, and not for a cause other than greed for imperialism. .

what are you talking about no weapons to defend them selves? i think you are serverly misguided and informed.

Originally Posted by Tamacracker

Bro I just thank God I dont have a family member or a friend who's in Iraqi soil and worrying about who's dying next and will they live to see the next day. I have a friend in the NAVY and I'm happy he only sets foot on Japanese soil once in a while for entertainment or shopping. Man sometimes I wish I had a couple of my own damn missiles... I'd send it straight to the White House and the Pentagon. No disrespect to this country, I just want to tear down the government once and for all and rebuild it the way it was created.

how was our gov't created??please do tell.

[Tamacracker]

Originally Posted by adidamps2

what are you talking about no weapons to defend them selves? i think you are serverly misguided and informed.



how was our gov't created??please do tell.

Uh civilians... they usually die in war. Just like a cop who pulls a person over and the person has something in his pocket and he starts to pull it out for whatever reason, the cop automatically assumes it's a gun and he shoots and injures or kills the guy.

Our government has many pieces that were stolen from different cultures. The Mayas, Aztec, Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, and of course the laws of God. If I sat here and typed up how they stole the ideas from others it would take me days.

[intelligentvirus]

we are all on drugs

[US_Ranger]

Wow Tamacracker.

At least I know not to listen to you anymore. You started off okay and then you got stupid all of a sudden. Maybe it was drugs or something.

By the way, thanks for telling all of us what soldiers think and feel in Iraq.

You remind me of every liberal cockstain I had to listen to in my general education classes. It's classic....

Everyone who doesn't agree with you is brainwashed
You know how everyone feels in Iraq
All personnel in the military are drones

^----The classic 3 that I've heard a million times over....and it's always 100 percent wrong. Amazing......

[adidamps2]

Originally Posted by Tamacracker

Uh civilians... they usually die in war. Just like a cop who pulls a person over and the person has something in his pocket and he starts to pull it out for whatever reason, the cop automatically assumes it's a gun and he shoots and injures or kills the guy..

casualties of war, tuff ****. and that cop thing thats a great anologie, cuase guess what if i am a cop and someone stars to pull "something" out, you can bet your left testicle they are going down before it is retrieved. there is one thing on my mind as a cop/law enforcer and thats to get home in one piece at the end of the day.

Originally Posted by Tamacracker

Our government has many pieces that were stolen from different cultures. The Mayas, Aztec, Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, and of course the laws of God. If I sat here and typed up how they stole the ideas from others it would take me days.

oh i thought you were gonna talk bout how we killed Native americans stole their land, set our gov't up on religiuse(sp) freedom that really wasn't there (cause if your religion was differnt that theirs you were wrong/punished and killed), and that only white/anglo people could do anything.