Halodrol-50/Orastan-E Final Review

[Joel]

Ok, I just finished my 5 week cycle (5 weeks Orastan, 4 weeks Halo.Orastan was started 1 week before Halo) last week. Basically this isnt going to be a good review because I ended up adding Powerfull (for sleep aid) and SizeOn(couldnt resist) mid-way thru the cycle. But maybe it can still be some benefit to others. Let me just say first I am NOT an advocate of Designer Steroids for anyone (this stuff is dangerous) and I never touched them until I was in my 30s.I had my reasons for wanting to try this. Also, please note this is the "2nd batch" of Halodrol , not the "original" batch. There is debate on if there was a reformulation and Gaspari (BK) says no there was not.

Age:34
Hgt: 5'9

Starting weight:200
Current Weight :212
Current BF: Unknown (Pic will reveal more)


How soon did I see gains? Did not notice much until the last 2 weeks of the cycle,more noticable as the end got closer. Be prepared to be patient with this stuff.

Strength Gains : 7/10 Did not experience any hardcore strength gains, but decent.

Weight Gain : 8/10 Pretty good gains, not as good as I had with1-Test but still not bad. But , keep in mind I added SizeOne and Powerfull so who knows much of it was the Halo/Orastan.

Recomposition :8/10 Actually did shape up pretty good. Gains were dryer, not very sloppy/bloated/puffy, definition is visible. I will try to take a pic this weekend and post it. I dont have a good pre pic, sorry.

Side Effects :

-No shrinkage
-Acne was minimal , but did have some
-Libidio was up and down. Was a strange experience.
-Blood Pressure did increase, but not over normal limits. I check it at work.
-Hair Loss : Did not notice any
-Nose Bleeds : None ,But please note that I read in other logs on AM (PM me if you dont know what that means) where some people had trouble with nose bleeds. I highly recommend you read the logs at AM ,some are very detailed.

-Aggression : I most definitely experienced aggression while on this, in fact you can check my post history and see how my attitude has changed in the last few weeks. But I think im ok now, I think. Still, dont mess with me.

-Lethargy : EXTREME at times. I highly recommend you have some Ephedra or similar strength stims because you may need something to give you a boost while on this. I tried taking Ergo AMP (up to 4 caps) during my cycle and basically had no effect on me (sorry PA). At least that is my experience. Other logs I read at AM did not really mention lethargy as a problem, but there are still not many logs at this point.

Anyway, I feel pretty good, I took this week off (had family visiting) but am looking forward to hitting the gym again over the next few days.

PCT is Nolva, AcTivate, ZMA ...Actually I pretty much followed Iron Pimpers on cycle /PCT so search for that if you want more details. I am also taking Lean Extreme ,Powerfull, and SizeOn. Yes, I am basically a human guinea pig for now. Halodrol, Orastan,Lean Extreme, and Powerfull are all new supplements and no one has any real clue of what the long term side effects will be. Use at your own risk.

If you have any more questions PM me or post here.

[vorykua]

I've read a few post you did on other threads regarding HD, and I truly respect your point of view and way of thinking. I finally took the plunge my self and started my cycle a week ago, ( I bought the stuff over a month ago)....hehe

There is one are where our cycles will differ and that is PCT, I read from BK on AM, that you dont need a SERM for PCT on HD, and from most other logs out there, that is the general concensus. I am not criticizing, or recommending to anyone not to use a SERM, that will be entirely my choice. You are right to say these "supplements" are new, and therefore strong side effects, such as gyno, might not even begin to develop just yet. But I will trust on what BK says, its a lot of chemistry mumbo jumbo, but makes sense to me.
Like yourself, I did start with the purpose of using just the HD, Orastan and Novadex, but I am inclined to add something to the pct mixture in order to keep my gains when Im done with the 4 weeks of Halo, I've read good things on Anodrox, whch is both an NO suppelement and a fat burner as well. Im not taking any fat burners right now. I also have both Lean Xtreme and Retain, I bought both, because I didnt know which one was better, and they are basically done by companies closely related to each other, DS and AX.
Anyways, please go into my log and share your knowledge, it is truly welcomed.

[HealthyLivin4Me]

I finished up a Halo cycle about a week ago. I experienced no side effects other then an increase in libido the first two weeks and slight lethargy which was cured with an after-work nap but nothing bad. To tell you the truth I never even felt I was on cycle, even though toward the end of my cycle I increased to 75 mg for a few days and 100 the last two days. I did not even bother wasting my Nolva and saved it in case I do something more harsh. The only support supp used during my cycle was Liv-52.

No BP increase

No hair loss

No Acne flare ups which I am very prone to, in fact I still have some acne from when I was teenager and I am 27 now.

No shrinkage.

No mood changes

Like the old saying goes, you either lack sides and sacrifice gains or make gains and deal with sides..This saying held true for me...I had moderate strength gains and gained 1 pound. I have kept the strength gains thus far. I did increase my calories and diet was super clean. Just for the record my body type is ecto.

I would rate Halodrol 5/10. Like Joel said it takes a few weeks to kick in but after around day 14 I experienced increases of about 5lbs on all major lifts each time I went to the gym. Since there were no body comp. changes or weight gain I can't rate it very high.

[prickleferret]

interesting. i am 5 days into the Gaspari "Maximus Stack" and the only thing i am noticing so far is sleeplessness and a small increase in my endurance in the gym. it seems after an hour and a half workout, i can go for another hour. from what i have read about Halodrol, it seems the real gains kick in mid to late cycle. i expect in a week or so to notice more in the strength area. i am also adding Rebound XT to my PCT. Joel mentioned that the Halodrol wasn't as strong as 1-Test and that makes sense to me. M1 Test was insane in strength and size gains. i have had better results off of M1 Test than some actual juice i did a few years ago. damn government.

[plugugly]

Originally Posted by prickleferret

interesting. i am 5 days into the Gaspari "Maximus Stack" and the only thing i am noticing so far is sleeplessness and a small increase in my endurance in the gym. it seems after an hour and a half workout, i can go for another hour. from what i have read about Halodrol, it seems the real gains kick in mid to late cycle. i expect in a week or so to notice more in the strength area. i am also adding Rebound XT to my PCT. Joel mentioned that the Halodrol wasn't as strong as 1-Test and that makes sense to me. M1 Test was insane in strength and size gains. i have had better results off of M1 Test than some actual juice i did a few years ago. damn government.

I have not had any problems sleeping while on this stack. I would recommend taking a Benadryl 1/2 hour before bed. That should help. My energy has been good also. I have also read numerous articles saying that this stack takes at least 2 weeks to really kick in and starts to make nice gains towards the tail end. I am having BF% done every two weeks which will help in verifying that.

[mhadder]

halodrol blows... didnt notice much change at all during my cycle.

[sublimejeh]

You are totally hypocritical Joel

[plugugly]

Originally Posted by mhadder

halodrol blows... didnt notice much change at all during my cycle.

Just because you say that you did not get results does not mean that it blows. There are a lot of factors that effect results...diet, support supps, PCT and exercise. Every persons body chemsitry is also unique. Sorry to hear that you did not get results. I will reserve judgement until my cycle is over.

[prickleferret]

i agree plugugly, different people get different responses to things. i have heard some people say they got 15 pounds off this stuff so as long as you keep your diet strong and push your limits in the gym, Halodrol 50 should at least give you something.

[mhadder]

Originally Posted by plugugly

Just because you say that you did not get results does not mean that it blows. There are a lot of factors that effect results...diet, support supps, PCT and exercise. Every persons body chemsitry is also unique. Sorry to hear that you did not get results. I will reserve judgement until my cycle is over.

yes i know that. i believe i noticed decent strength gains. but as for weight gains... maybe 2-3 lbs, so i was fairly disapointed but hey, what can you do

[plugugly]

Originally Posted by mhadder

yes i know that. i believe i noticed decent strength gains. but as for weight gains... maybe 2-3 lbs, so i was fairly disapointed but hey, what can you do

Keep an eye on my log and see if I manage to get any better results. I am optmistic but only time will tell.

[Joel]

Halo/Orastan is more for Recomp than anything I think

[HealthyLivin4Me]

I remember when Halo first came out BK said it was going to have similiar gains to SD with less sides, while I have not tried SD based on what I read its not even close. However due to the lack of sides HD might make a better option..

It still pisses me off that we will never know what HD really is....I would also love to know if there are any real differences between the first and second batches.

[vorykua]

Originally Posted by HealthyLivin4Me

I remember when Halo first came out BK said it was going to have similiar gains to SD with less sides, while I have not tried SD based on what I read its not even close. However due to the lack of sides HD might make a better option..

It still pisses me off that we will never know what HD really is....I would also love to know if there are any real differences between the first and second batches.

Besides DMT contamination, the first two batches were AOK.
Im a week into my cycle, and I've experienced sleeplessnes, as well as a diuretic effect, I've added calories to my diet, which was fine to begin with and maybe that has something to do with the 3lbs I gained the first week, though my pants still fit nicely, thank you very much, I am also under an "extended NO" effect, and my vascularity is more noticeable than before, this is not just my opinion, but from others as well.
If you eat and train hard for a month and only gain 1lbs, it might be two things, ...either youre so huge, there is no way to go for down for you, or you were not really training that hard or eating that well, ... IMO
Even without HD, one is bound to gain more than 1lbs over 6 weeks of intense training and a solid diet.
Anyways , Im a keeping an HD log too, stay tuned.

[Quelly]

youve gotta be kidding me....one minute you're the DEA, a preacher and MADD all rolled into one with your finger pointed at designer steroids yelling "SAATAN!" like Dana Carvey....and the next you're reaping the benefits of a designer steroid stack??? are you bi polar or working for gaspari nutrition?

[Joel]

Originally Posted by Quelly

youve gotta be kidding me....one minute you're the DEA, a preacher and MADD all rolled into one with your finger pointed at designer steroids yelling "SAATAN!" like Dana Carvey....and the next you're reaping the benefits of a designer steroid stack??? are you bi polar or working for gaspari nutrition?

Look, the problem I have is the selling of steroids (especially the toxic ones) to people who do not know what they are . THATS IT ! Why is that so hard to understand ? I am not against steroids in general

[Quelly]

Originally Posted by Joel

Look, the problem I have is the selling of steroids (especially the toxic ones) to people who do not know what they are . THATS IT ! Why is that so hard to understand ? I am not against steroids in general

Originally Posted by Joel

The bottom line is that potentially dangerous chemicals were and still are being sold for a profit. This is not for the good of the people, this is for money.If you truly had peoples health in mind, you wouldnt market steroids, ever. End of story.

you honestly don't see the conflict between these two quotes? IF you had said "you wouldnt market steroids as supplements, ever. End of story." thats one thing.....but you didn't...you said steroids are dangerous chemicals that shouldnt be marketed, ever end of story....and now here you are using them!

and honestly, GNC and Vitamin Shoppe don't carry AX stuff, the people who buy this stuff buy it because they know what it is, its sold with PCT for chrissakes! The only way I'd heard about this stuff was through the boards...

I just can't imagine, some 16 year old walking into a local supplement store (which, by the way, I've never seen before, just GNCs and vitamin shoppes around my way) and thinking "hmm I want to build muscle....hmm....ill buy...*closes his eyes and spins while pointing his finger at the products on the rack* AHH Superdrol! Thats what my finger landed on! huh? whats this? must be 21 to use? and whats this post cycle therapy stuff that comes with it?? AH WELL SCREW IT! I'll just take 10 a day til I run out!"

[Joel]

Originally Posted by Quelly

you honestly don't see the conflict between these two quotes? IF you had said "you wouldnt market steroids as supplements, ever. End of story." thats one thing.....but you didn't...you said steroids are dangerous chemicals that shouldnt be marketed, ever end of story....and now here you are using them!

and honestly, GNC and Vitamin Shoppe don't carry AX stuff, the people who buy this stuff buy it because they know what it is, its sold with PCT for chrissakes! The only way I'd heard about this stuff was through the boards...

I just can't imagine, some 16 year old walking into a local supplement store (which, by the way, I've never seen before, just GNCs and vitamin shoppes around my way) and thinking "hmm I want to build muscle....hmm....ill buy...*closes his eyes and spins while pointing his finger at the products on the rack* AHH Superdrol! Thats what my finger landed on! huh? whats this? must be 21 to use? and whats this post cycle therapy stuff that comes with it?? AH WELL SCREW IT! I'll just take 10 a day til I run out!"

Dude, you are retarded - I am NOT against steroids- I do think its F'd up to sell people a steroid , especially a toxic one , masked as a "supplement". Do a search on Superdrol and see how many idiots come in here asking questions not having a clue about Steroids, and have already done a cycle of Superdrol ! They did not even know what PCT means. But hey,thats the idiots consumers fault right ?

[Quelly]

Originally Posted by Joel

Dude, you are retarded - I am NOT against steroids- I do think its F'd up to sell people a steroid , especially a toxic one , masked as a "supplement". Do a search on Superdrol and see how many idiots come in here asking questions not having a clue about Steroids, and have already done a cycle of Superdrol ! They did not even know what PCT means. But hey,thats the idiots consumers fault right ?

I'm going to stop clogging your thread, its obvious to me what was said, and I'll just leave it at that because this is pointless.

[beer20]

nice review joel
im was kind of surprised to see lean xtreme in your PCT

[Joel]

Originally Posted by beer20

nice review joel
im was kind of surprised to see lean xtreme in your PCT

lol yeah im doing DS a special favor

[beer20]

Originally Posted by Joel

lol yeah im doing DS a special favor

i see.....

i cant believe its already been 5 weeks since you started your orastan-e,that flew by....

[Joel]

Originally Posted by beer20

i see.....

i cant believe its already been 5 weeks since you started your orastan-e,that flew by....

yeah Im happy overall , just the lethargy at times was extreme

Real Winstrol must be some good stuff

[plugugly]

Originally Posted by vorykua

Besides DMT contamination, the first two batches were AOK.
Im a week into my cycle, and I've experienced sleeplessnes, as well as a diuretic effect, I've added calories to my diet, which was fine to begin with and maybe that has something to do with the 3lbs I gained the first week, though my pants still fit nicely, thank you very much, I am also under an "extended NO" effect, and my vascularity is more noticeable than before, this is not just my opinion, but from others as well.
If you eat and train hard for a month and only gain 1lbs, it might be two things, ...either youre so huge, there is no way to go for down for you, or you were not really training that hard or eating that well, ... IMO
Even without HD, one is bound to gain more than 1lbs over 6 weeks of intense training and a solid diet.
Anyways , Im a keeping an HD log too, stay tuned.

If this stack is actually good for Recomp, is it possible folks are not actually fully realizing their results by only using the scale as a measuring stick. Some folks said they ONLY gained 3 lbs. during their cycle. However, unless they did what I am doing which is to have their BF done every two weeks, they really have no idea what is what. They may have indeed gained 10 lbs. lean and lost 7 lbs. of fat which would ONLY give them a net increase in bodyweight of 3 lbs. but would actually be a very impressive cycle significantly affecting their BF%. That is what my log aims to find out.

[Joel]

Just a small update... My weight has actually reached 220, Im in my 2nd week of PCT. Ive definitely gained a lot of muscle, but also some fat around my lower back/sides. Im going to cut down on calories some, I dont want to gain any more weight at this point. I think I went thru like 10 jars of natural Peanut Butter on my cycle, and now im addicted

[plugugly]

Originally Posted by Joel

Just a small update... My weight has actually reached 220, Im in my 2nd week of PCT. Ive definitely gained a lot of muscle, but also some fat around my lower back/sides. Im going to cut down on calories some, I dont want to gain any more weight at this point. I think I went thru like 10 jars of natural Peanut Butter on my cycle, and now im addicted

Peanut Butter...It will wreck you! LOL! I got a little carried away with it a few weeks back and managed to gain 5 lbs. of fat in a month wrecking my BF%. I love it but it is calorie dense and lacks volume. I eat it once a day on some whole grain bread and call it good. If I could eat it at every meal I would. LOL!

[Joel]

Originally Posted by plugugly

Peanut Butter...It will wreck you! LOL! I got a little carried away with it a few weeks back and managed to gain 5 lbs. of fat in a month wrecking my BF%. I love it but it is calorie dense and lacks volume. I eat it once a day on some whole grain bread and call it good. If I could eat it at every meal I would. LOL!

I know ,its good stuff - I cant keep it at home or I WILL eat it - So for now there is none in the kitchen But I wanted to gain as much as possible so I was loading up on calories. 20 pounds in 5 weeks, I exceeded my goal. Now to get some of this fat off.... ! I would like to be more cut and around 215. At my height (5'9) I think that is a pretty solid weight.

[Latosaurus Rex]

Originally Posted by Joel

Ok, I just finished my 5 week cycle (5 weeks Orastan, 4 weeks Halo.Orastan was started 1 week before Halo) last week. Basically this isnt going to be a good review because I ended up adding Powerfull (for sleep aid) and SizeOn(couldnt resist) mid-way thru the cycle. But maybe it can still be some benefit to others. Let me just say first I am NOT an advocate of Designer Steroids for anyone (this stuff is dangerous) and I never touched them until I was in my 30s.I had my reasons for wanting to try this. Also, please note this is the "2nd batch" of Halodrol , not the "original" batch. There is debate on if there was a reformulation and Gaspari (BK) says no there was not.

Age:34
Hgt: 5'9

Starting weight:200
Current Weight :212
Current BF: Unknown (Pic will reveal more)


How soon did I see gains? Did not notice much until the last 2 weeks of the cycle,more noticable as the end got closer. Be prepared to be patient with this stuff.

Strength Gains : 7/10 Did not experience any hardcore strength gains, but decent.

Weight Gain : 8/10 Pretty good gains, not as good as I had with1-Test but still not bad. But , keep in mind I added SizeOne and Powerfull so who knows much of it was the Halo/Orastan.

Recomposition :8/10 Actually did shape up pretty good. Gains were dryer, not very sloppy/bloated/puffy, definition is visible. I will try to take a pic this weekend and post it. I dont have a good pre pic, sorry.

Side Effects :

-No shrinkage
-Acne was minimal , but did have some
-Libidio was up and down. Was a strange experience.
-Blood Pressure did increase, but not over normal limits. I check it at work.
-Hair Loss : Did not notice any
-Nose Bleeds : None ,But please note that I read in other logs on AM (PM me if you dont know what that means) where some people had trouble with nose bleeds. I highly recommend you read the logs at AM ,some are very detailed.

-Aggression : I most definitely experienced aggression while on this, in fact you can check my post history and see how my attitude has changed in the last few weeks. But I think im ok now, I think. Still, dont mess with me.

-Lethargy : EXTREME at times. I highly recommend you have some Ephedra or similar strength stims because you may need something to give you a boost while on this. I tried taking Ergo AMP (up to 4 caps) during my cycle and basically had no effect on me (sorry PA). At least that is my experience. Other logs I read at AM did not really mention lethargy as a problem, but there are still not many logs at this point.

Anyway, I feel pretty good, I took this week off (had family visiting) but am looking forward to hitting the gym again over the next few days.

PCT is Nolva, AcTivate, ZMA ...Actually I pretty much followed Iron Pimpers on cycle /PCT so search for that if you want more details. I am also taking Lean Extreme ,Powerfull, and SizeOn. Yes, I am basically a human guinea pig for now. Halodrol, Orastan,Lean Extreme, and Powerfull are all new supplements and no one has any real clue of what the long term side effects will be. Use at your own risk.

If you have any more questions PM me or post here.

so where is this pic...im curious to see what you look like

[jvault]

Yeah we need a pic I have heard so much about you I am ready to see what you look like.