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Old 03-27-2006, 09:58 PM   #1
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Lightbulb Christianity, Judaism, & Islam: which one is "true"?

Okay sorry, this is really long, but worth it if you're interested in comparative religion, namely Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. It's an enlgish translation of "Nathan the Wise", from G.F. Lessing, a very famous German author of years past.

It answers the question of which religion is "true" in a very thought provoking way. And no, dont worry, it wont offend anybody.

Now lets see how many people actually read the damn thing and respond... lol, I'm guessing none, but what the hell....

... In hoar antiquity there dwelt
In eastern lands a man who had received
From a loved hand a ring of priceless worth.
An opal was the stone it bore, which shot
A hundred fair and varied hues around,
And had the mystic power to render dear
Alike to God and man whoever wore
The ring with perfect faith. What wonder, then,
That eastern man would never lay it off,
And further made a fixed and firm resolve
That it should bide for ever with his race.

For this he left it to his dearest son,
Adding a stringent clause that he in turn
Should leave it to the son he loved the most,
And that in every age the dearest son,
Without respect to seniority,
By virtue of the ring alone should be
The lord of all the race ...

And thus the ring came down from sire to son,
Until it reached a father of three sons
Each equally obedient to his will,
And whom accordingly he was constrained
To love alike. And yet from time to time,
Whene'er the one or other chanced to be
Alone with him, and his overflowing heart
Was not divided by the other two,
The one who stood beside him still would seem
Most worthy of the ring; and thus it chanced
That he by kindly weakness had been led
To promise it in turn to each of them.

This state of matters lasted while it could,
But by-and-by he had to think of death,
And then this worthy sire was sore perplexed.
He could not brook the thought of breaking faith
With two dear sons whom he'd pledged his word;
What now was to be done? He straightway sends
In secret for a skilled artificer,
And charges him to make two other rings
Precisely like the first, at any cost.
This the artificer contrives to do.
And when at last he brings him all three rings
Even the father can't say which is which.

With joyful heart he summons then his sons,
But singly and apart, bestows on each
His special blessing, and his ring--and dies ...

Scarce was the father dead, each several son
Comes with his ring and claims to be the lord
Of all his kindred. They investigate,
Recriminate, and wrangle--all in vain--
Which was the true original genuine ring
Was undemonstrable--
Almost as much
As now by us is undemonstrable
The one true faith....How could I presume
E'er to pronounce distinction 'tween the rings
The father purposely designed to be
Quite indistinguishable?
[There are differences of dress, food and drink]
But not by fundamental difference.
Are they not founded all on history,
Traditional or written? History
Must still be taken upon trust alone;
And who are they who best may claim our trust?

Surely our people, of whose blood we are;
Who from our infancy have proved their love,
And never have deceived us, save, perchance,
When kindly guile was wholesomer for us
Than truth itself. Why should I less rely
Upon my ancestors than you on yours;
Or can I ask of you to give the lie
To your forefathers, merely to agree
With mine?--and all that I have said applies
To Christians as well...
...Let us now return
Once more unto our rings. As I have said,
The sons now sued each other; each of them
Swore to the judge he had received his ring
Straight from his father's hand--as was the fact--
And that, too, after he had long enjoyed
His father's promise to bequeath the ring
To him alone--which also was the truth;

Each vowed the father never could have proved
So false to him; and rather than believe
A thing like this of such a loving aire,
He was constrained--however loath he was
To think unkindly of his brethren--
To charge them both with some nefarious trick,
And now he would unmask their treachery
And be avenged for such a cruel wrong.

... The Judge pronounced--Unless you bring your sire,
And place him here before the judgment-seat,
I must dismiss your suit. Think you I'm here
For solving riddles?--or perhaps you wait
Until the genuine ring declares itself.
Yet stay--you said the genuine ring contains
The magic power to make its wearer loved
More than all else, in sight of God and man;
This must decide the case--the spurious ring
Will not do this--say, which of you is he
The other two most love?--what, no reply?

Your rings would seem to work reflexively,
Not on external objects; since it seems
Each is enamored of himself alone.
Oh, then, all three of you have been deceived,
And are deceivers too; and all three rings
Are spurious alike--the genuine ring
Was lost, most likely, and to hide its loss,
And to supply its place, your father caused
These three to be made up instead of it.

... And then the Judge resumed--
Belike ye would not relish my advice
More than the judgment I have now pronounced;
In that case, go--but my advice is this:
Accept the case precisely as it stands;
If each of you in truth received his ring
Straight from his father's hand, let each believe
His own to be the true and genuine ring.
Perhaps you father wished to terminate
The tyranny of that special ring
'Mid his posterity. Of this be sure,
He loved you all, and loved you all alike,
Since he was loath to injure two of you
That he might favor one alone; well, then,
Let each now rival his unbiased love,
His love so free from every prejudice;
Vie with each other in the generous strife
To prove the virtues of the rings you wear;
And to this end let mild humility,
Hearty forbearance, true benevolence,
And resignation to the will of God,
Come to your aid,--and if, in distant times,
The virtues of the genuine gem be found
Amid your children's children, they shall then,
When many a thousand years have rolled away,
Be called once more before this judgment-seat,
Whereon a wiser man than I shall sit
And give his verdict--now, begone.
Thus spake That sapient Judge.
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Old 03-27-2006, 10:00 PM   #2
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Well, it depends.

Can you prove your ring was authentically revealed from God? Is it the "identifiable ring"?

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Well, it depends.

Can you prove your ring was authentically revealed from God? Is it the "identifiable ring"?

Exactly, it cannot be proven by a man, but only by what it does for him. None of the rings can be proven as the "one true ring" because they were made by an artisan. When an true artist makes a ring, it is its own unique work of art. It may be a facsimile in this case, but its still a work of art in its own right and therefore technically an original.

These rings all happen to be identical. No ring is aesthetically different than the other. The only way to prove which one is the "true" ring is by the effect it has on the bearer, which is love in all of its forms, eminating from the ring and gravitating towards it.

So according to this, the religion that eventually encompasses "love" in the truest, purest sense, is the true religion. Just food for thought.. I though it was interesting that Lessing could write about religious tolerance in such a way well over 200 years ago, in what is now Germany, of all places.
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