Ask About the Arabian(Persian) Gulf countries?

[getting2big]

There are a lot of misconceptions about the countries of the Arabian(Persian) Gulf. So I thought I could help clarify these misconceptions and accusations. The countries I believe I can answer questions about are Kuwait,Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, UAE, Oman and Yemen.(Concentrating on the first 3).

So If there is any questions about these countries feel free to ask(especially about culture, traditions, religion, political views and way of life)

[Iranian]

You do know there is NO such thing as "Arabian" Gulf don't you?

And putting 'Persian' in brackets doesn't make it any more accurate.

[getting2big]

Originally Posted by Iranian

You do know there is NO such thing as "Arabian" Gulf don't you?

And putting 'Persian' in brackets doesn't make it any more accurate.

Oh God, there we go.... Persian pride.

Some call it Arabian(arabs) and some call it Persian(majority) and some call it The Gulf(to get rid of the problem).

Seriously. I place a thread to clarify the misconceptions about the "Prabian Gulf" and this is what you ask?

[Iranian]

Originally Posted by getting2big

Oh God, there we go.... Persian pride.

Some call it Arabian(arabs) and some call it Persian(majority) and some call it The Gulf(to get rid of the problem).

Seriously. I place a thread to clarify the misconceptions about the "Prabian Gulf" and this is what you ask?

What you call Persian pride, I call simple facts.

Check the Arabian maps from a thousand years ago what do you see? Khalij Al Fars There is no "debate" about it.

The minority who call it Arabian are talking about a non-existant piece of water. They should stand corrected, that's all.

[getting2big]

Originally Posted by Iranian

What you call Persian pride, I call simple facts.

Check the Arabian maps from a thousand years ago what do you see? Khalij Al Fars There is no "debate" about it.

The minority who call it Arabian are talking about a non-existant piece of water. They should stand corrected, that's all.

That part of history I know well

When you live in a country were everyone calls it Arabian Gulf then believe me YOU will call it Arabian Gulf.

Its Al-Khalij Al-Farsi not Khalij Al-Fars, unless you were pronouncing it Khalij Al-Foors and this also is wrong because its no longer your Khalij . As this form (Foors) is used to show that it belongs to Persians.

Persian Pride.
















jk

[Iranian]

Originally Posted by getting2big

That part of history I know well

When you live in a country were everyone calls it Arabian Gulf then believe me YOU will call it Arabian Gulf.

You know this part of history so well? Even worse! So instead of being ignorant and purposefuly going along with an innacurate name, don't you think it will be better for you to correct anyone who says "Arabian Gulf"?

Originally Posted by getting2big

Its Al-Khalij Al-Farsi not Khalij Al-Fars, unless you were pronouncing it Khalij Al-Foors and this also is wrong because its no longer your Khalij . As this form (Foors) is used to show that it belongs to Persians.

Yeah I was guessing that, I was trying to say it in Arabic. In Persian we just say Khalij-e-Fars.

[getting2big]

Originally Posted by Iranian

You know this part of history so well? Even worse! So instead of being ignorant and purposefuly going along with an innacurate name, don't you think it will be better for you to correct anyone who says "Arabian Gulf"?

Yes I know it well. But I dont make a big deal out of it. As it affects no one. There are people who believe its called Arabian and others Believe its Persian. So to dodge this issue I used both but it seem that this wasnt enough. As you came and made an issue out of it.

So call it what you want. It makes no difference to me.

[Iranian]

Originally Posted by getting2big

Yes I know it well. But I dont make a big deal out of it. As it affects no one. There are people who believe its called Arabian and others Believe its Persian. So to dodge this issue I used both but it seem that this wasnt enough. As you came and made an issue out of it.

So call it what you want. It makes no difference to me.

It makes no difference to me that you are wrong, if you don't want to correct yourself that's completely up to you. I am making no issue out of this.

[getting2big]

Originally Posted by Iranian

It makes no difference to me that you are wrong, if you don't want to correct yourself that's completely up to you. I am making no issue out of this.

I am wrong even though I said I knew its actually Persian? I just dont see it as a big issue so I dont place a lot of thought when I refer to it.

[Thin Build]

why is the middle east so ass backwards compared to the rest of the world?

[getting2big]

Originally Posted by Thin Build

why is the middle east so ass backwards compared to the rest of the world?

The countries that are backward are mostly KSA, Yemen,Bahrain, Qatar and Oman while Kuwait and UAE are considered developed and people in them live far greater lives than that of westerns.

You must understand that NON of the countries have chosen their leaders(except Yemen. Its a democracy). Our leaders are dictators and we cant do anything about it, as they are strongly supported by the west. For that you will realize that the leaders of these countries live lives you cant even imagine and the rest of the people are below average. The country is mostly broken in half, which are the common and the ruler and who are close to them.

In these countries its not what you are that counts but of which family you belong to is what counts. The common people have no control of their countries and they cannot speak for themselves.

Thats why these countries are backward. Excepet for Kuwait and UAE(still they share some of the features of the other countries)

Did that answer your question?

[Iranian_Mugger]

How big is the Camel-Jockey/Racing sport down there? Why are little children forced into them?

[Melkor]

Wow, this thread really seems to sum up the middle east well...

A lot of fighting about stupid shyte.

[getting2big]

Originally Posted by Iranian_Mugger

How big is the Camel-Jockey/Racing sport down there? Why are little children forced into them?

Its found in KSA, Kuwait and UAE but mostly in KSA. It isnt given a lot of publicity in Kuwait, as no one cares anymore. I actually havent heard about it for quite some time.

Where did you get that kids are forced into it? Most of the kids that participate in it are from known and large families so they cant be forced into it.

[Melkor]

Are you guys going to Jihad each other now?

[getting2big]

Originally Posted by Melkor

Are you guys going to Jihad each other now?

Any usefull question?

[Melkor]

No, just found it really funny that the area of the world that has caused more violence and fighting in the past couple of decades than any other has a thread started about it that instantly deteriorates into fighting between two people from the area. That cracked me up. I'm sure you can see the irony.

[Iranian_Mugger]

Originally Posted by getting2big

Its found in KSA, Kuwait and UAE but mostly in KSA. It isnt given a lot of publicity in Kuwait, as no one cares anymore. I actually havent heard about it for quite some time.

Where did you get that kids are forced into it? Most of the kids that participate in it are from known and large families so they cant be forced into it.

Az In'Ja

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4631163.stm

[EOY]

Originally Posted by Melkor

No, just found it really funny that the area of the world that has caused more violence and fighting in the past couple of decades than any other has a thread started about it that instantly deteriorates into fighting between two people from the area. That cracked me up. I'm sure you can see the irony.

Blaming violence on the middle east is a very narrowminded thing to do.You should realize that there are many things that factor into this and that there are many parties involved.About the irony, unfortunately I do see it.

[IceDragon]

I've got a Q, and it's a strange one, or so I think.

That president or whoever in Iran is deliberately trying to provoke the US and UK into invading - why? My dad mentioned that once they cross that Iraq border into Iran, all hel is going to break lose and Israel will get it, but what does he mean?

He also mentioned something about Persia being reunited, but I'm not sure that had anything to do with it...

I realise that may be a simple Q to answer, but I'm only now getting into it, so I'm a complete novice at how this **** works.

[Shahin]

Originally Posted by IceDragon

I've got a Q, and it's a strange one, or so I think.

That president or whoever in Iran is deliberately trying to provoke the US and UK into invading - why? My dad mentioned that once they cross that Iraq border into Iran, all hel is going to break lose and Israel will get it, but what does he mean?

He also mentioned something about Persia being reunited, but I'm not sure that had anything to do with it...

I realise that may be a simple Q to answer, but I'm only now getting into it, so I'm a complete novice at how this **** works.

I'm by no means an expert or nearly as educated as many of the other posters on here but I'll give you my points of view on these issues anyway.
The only reason I can see for Ahmadinejads behaviour is to gather up the support of the anti-semitic persians, and to show the persian people that he is not afraid to provoke America, which is appreciated by many after how America has been trying to halt Irans nuclear energy program. To put it bluntly, he's showboating.
As far as the thing about reuniting Persia, I assume he meant that Ahmadinejad tries to gather the support of the rest of the middle east by standing up to America and even provoke them, I'm pretty sure you're aware America isn't very popular in the middle east.

Just my 0,5 cents (I don't have 2 cents like the rest of you rich bastards )

[getting2big]

Originally Posted by IceDragon

I've got a Q, and it's a strange one, or so I think.

That president or whoever in Iran is deliberately trying to provoke the US and UK into invading - why? My dad mentioned that once they cross that Iraq border into Iran, all hel is going to break lose and Israel will get it, but what does he mean?

He also mentioned something about Persia being reunited, but I'm not sure that had anything to do with it...

I realise that may be a simple Q to answer, but I'm only now getting into it, so I'm a complete novice at how this **** works.

Non of the answer will suit you. But I'll write what I lived and what I believe in.

Firs the Iranian President. This dependes on how you view him(I know how you view him). Which is wrong everything the president of Iran did wasnt in favor of the west. It actually apposed the wests agenda. Simply because the wests agenda is not what suits Iran. He has been shown to the world as a man who knows nothing and all his acts arent studied. But I fail to see anything wrong with his acts. First pursuing nuclear technology, the west says its to build nuclear weapons and Iran replied that it was to provide electricity and other means of advancement. The west said that Iran had oil so it doesnt need nuclear energy. We all no oil will not last for ever, so whats wrong with a country trying to maintain its future? The media did its best in protraying him as an idiot but look at what hes doing and look if it actually benefitd Iran. As for him angering the west, this isnt a reason in which Iran should stop ts advancement. Should Iran abide to what ever the west wants? I'm sure you believe that Iran is a nomadic country, which is somthing the west has protrayed, which is a lie. Place yourself in the iranian presidents shoes. Will you bow to the west? Will you do what ever the west wants? Will you do whats best for your country or whats best for Iran?

In short the west wants another shah. Thry lost their puppet and now they want him back. Please read about the shah and his relation to the west. Look what the west was supporting. Have a look at what the west who calls for democracy and human rights was supporting.

As for your father, I must ask what does he know about history? Because its wierd that he made this statement.

Iran is a muslim country with 90% shia muslims. It might have some internal problems as some might say but still the majority of its people will forget all about their internal disputes if America or Israel attacks. Also Iran has been portrayed(all of this false media is just to give the west a better feeling about its self) as having a weak army while its actually the opposite. You must note that the highest rank in Iran isnt the President, its the Supreme leader who currently is Ayatallah Ali Khamenai.

Also current Iraq has a vast majority of Shia and they are the ones who one the elections and what must be noted about the group of shia that won the elections is that they are loyal and worked according to what has been told to them by Ayatallah Al-Sistani and most of the shias of Iraq are followers of Ayatallah Al-Sistani. Ayatallah Al- Sistani is originally from Iran I believe that he still doesnt have an Iraqi passport(he denied it). So now its obvious with who Iraq will side.

Then you have Bahrain, it also has a majority of shia and whats interesting about Bahrainian shia is that their loyalty to the Iranian Supreme leader is greater than the Iranians loyalty to him, If you walk in Bahrainian neighborhoods you will see pictures of the current and previous Iranian Supreme leaders hanged in the streets.

Kuawit is 30% percent shia which their majority are loyal to Iran. At the first Gulf War the Iranian revolution still didnt spread in Kuwait and there were only a minority who believed in it and even those people were the minority of the minority they still carried a number of attacks against the gov. So comparing past with present, you will see that in the past the minority were able to fight for Iran and now they are the majority of the shia so its obvious that they will not stay quite.

KSA has a siginficant amount of shia but still they are a vast minority but what gives them a strong presence in KSA is that they are found in certian areas and not scattered around KSA.

Last and not least you have Hizballah and as soon as Iran is attacked Israel will be heavily bombarded. Yet again hizballah is protrayed as a weak organization, even though they managed to survive and attack Israel for over than 20 years.

So all in all It will be a blood bath. What ever Power America posess it will not be enough to get its men out of this area in one peace(Can you guess the winner if all went as America planned?)

Also I should add that all the shia in the regions I have mentioned have been opressed for many many years(that was just to a wood for the fire)

I said that you will not like any of the answers and I dont think you will believe them. But read the otherside of the story from the otherside. What I mean learn about us from asking one of us not by asking the west. Simply because they will not ell yoy the truth.

When the revolution came we had one country that represents us and now due to an American mistake we have two countries that represent us. We will not let go of them that easily, we have been opressed for over 1000 years. We will die for them.

Ice do you disagree with fighting for your freedom and for your honor?

As for Persia being reunited. Iran has been reunited after the revolution and if there is any internal disputes they will all be forgotten if America or Israel attacks. Thats the only explanation I can think of.

Did that answer your questions ?

[IceDragon]

I think so...a lot of that went straight over my head, simply because I don't know anything about those countries you mentioned, and I don't actually HAVE an opinion on Iran's nuclear plans - I don't know enough to judge one way or another. I know he's deliberately goading the west though, and that might not be a good idea although I can see why he's doing it.

So basically, if the US and allied forces invade Iran, both Iraq and Iran will join forces, including a couple of smaller countries who'll join in to fight for something they believe in - that the west is "conquering" them?

They're talking Syria next, though, not Iran...That's what gets me, when the hel are they going to say enough is enough and fly our boys home?

Oh, and I don't give a **** about whether the answers are ones I "like" or not, I just want the truth.

[FKO]

Well said, getting2big.

[getting2big]

Originally Posted by IceDragon

I think so...a lot of that went straight over my head, simply because I don't know anything about those countries you mentioned, and I don't actually HAVE an opinion on Iran's nuclear plans - I don't know enough to judge one way or another. I know he's deliberately goading the west though, and that might not be a good idea although I can see why he's doing it.

So basically, if the US and allied forces invade Iran, both Iraq and Iran will join forces, including a couple of smaller countries who'll join in to fight for something they believe in - that the west is "conquering" them?

They're talking Syria next, though, not Iran...That's what gets me, when the hel are they going to say enough is enough and fly our boys home?

Oh, and I don't give a **** about whether the answers are ones I "like" or not, I just want the truth.

Basically not the country. We all no their no good but I meant the people of these countries. America has military bases in almost all Gulf countries(to defend us from who???), so it most likely that these bases might be targeted or oil refinaries as was done in Kuwait in the first Gulf War.

I'm not sure about Syria, I dont remeber Syria threatening America. But I do agree with returning your boys back home. After the Second Gulf War American troops were loved in Kuwait(even by me ) and now its the opposite. Due to current events. So I believe that pulling your forces out of the Gulf will actually give a better pictur to Middle eastern and will decrease the amount of hate they have towards you.

[getting2big]

Originally Posted by Iranian_Mugger

Az In'Ja

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4631163.stm

Yes I checked into that. The part I said about childrens of large families participating in these races was just in Kuwait.

It does happen in KSA and UAE. But nothing could be said to KSA as it did not sign the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. One of the reasons it didnt because the Declaration came against slavery among other reasons.

[affy]

getting2big you live in Kuwait right. I was just wondering how it compares to other gulf countries like Bahrain and the Emirates. I was in the bahrain and muscat airports twice and i was shocked and amazed how nice it was. It was almost like a extravagant mall with high end shops and such, and the buildings architecture was simply amazing, i honestly was breath taken. I can only imagin how it is outside the airport...lol

[oscar2]

Originally Posted by affy

getting2big you live in Kuwait right. I was just wondering how it compares to other gulf countries like Bahrain and the Emirates. I was in the bahrain and muscat airports twice and i was shocked and amazed how nice it was. It was almost like a extravagant mall with high end shops and such, and the buildings architecture was simply amazing, i honestly was breath taken. I can only imagin how it is outside the airport...lol

I think Kuwait is the most 'Western' of the countries in the Middle East. UAE is looking to become a huge tourist attraction, but I think Kuwait is probably the most democratic. They aren't even close to being as rich as the UAE is, but when I was there it was a nice place but not too extravagant.

The one problem with the countries in the Middle East is that quite a few don't allow foreigners to own any property and can be kicked out anytime their is a regime change, etc.

[getting2big]

Originally Posted by affy

getting2big you live in Kuwait right. I was just wondering how it compares to other gulf countries like Bahrain and the Emirates. I was in the bahrain and muscat airports twice and i was shocked and amazed how nice it was. It was almost like a extravagant mall with high end shops and such, and the buildings architecture was simply amazing, i honestly was breath taken. I can only imagin how it is outside the airport...lol

UAE-Oman

These are the only countries I suggest you visit. UAE has what westerns want and also a lot of advancment, nice beachs, nice hotels,nice restaurants. Oman not as advanced as UAE but has a lot of nature in it and a lot of nice sceneries.

Kuwait compared to other Gulf countries: We are more advanced then other Gulf countries if there is a competetion then it might be between Kuwait and UAE(I dont believe that UAE is as advanced as Kuwait, because it depends a lot on foriegn workers, more than we do ).

We have more malls than other Gulf countries(compared to the size of our country). We have a lot of beach but most of it is wasted. But if you want to eat then come to Kuwait, between every two restaurants there is another restaurants and most of them are cheap and have the best food on earth(best Lebanese, Arabian and Iranian food)

As for Bahrain you said you were in the airport. I never been to Bahrain airport but I know Bahrain isnt a nice country(nothing special) but it has nice people(very friendly).

So it depends on what you want from a country.

[getting2big]

Originally Posted by oscar2

I think Kuwait is the most 'Western' of the countries in the Middle East. UAE is looking to become a huge tourist attraction, but I think Kuwait is probably the most democratic. They aren't even close to being as rich as the UAE is, but when I was there it was a nice place but not too extravagant.

The one problem with the countries in the Middle East is that quite a few don't allow foreigners to own any property and can be kicked out anytime their is a regime change, etc.

You are right about UAE being a tourist attraction. But If you want to compare the citizens of both countries the Kuwaitis are far more richer than Emaratians(I might sound like I'm just siding with my country but this is the truth). The most rich people in the middle east are the people of Qatar(in general) but thats due to them being smaller than Kuwait and having a smaller population.