I succumb to the power of PUAs...shape me into one!

[MonarchX]

I bow to your skills, guys!

I tried to use every advice by a PUA and in the end all I get is failure...failure...and failure.

But at least I am past the point of having no balls to talk to any girls, say almost anything, and get rejected. I get pissed now, not depressed.

I learned to forget about my inferiorities, and display my good qualities that others may not posses. I have plenty of confidence in me even after being rejected.

The main factor I attract girls with is my genetically lucky body. Even though, I am not cut up or bulked (I am working on it though), if I would ask a girl about what the first thing that attracts her to me, she would say "Physical attraction". I am often told I look like a masculine version of DeCaprio (which doesn't make me feel all that great...).
Yeah, I also look very young...but not feminine.

Second factor thing is my accent, and being able to speak several languages.

I am not a bad boy to a point where I rebel against every rule. I have my own standards. There are many things I do not agree with, and don't follow all the norms. However, my standards are based on logical thinking, coming from a different culture, and not being a rebel.

Here is the problem I am having...

I talk to girls, I smile, I see them blush, be shy, they smile and often laugh without any reason to do so...
I believe that means I got the inittial attraction, right?

Usually, if I like a girl, I just look at her, and if a girl EVER notices me looking into her eyes, she will start looking back at me and act in a manner of "Well, what are you waitng for?"

So, lets take another week's approach (I am in college, 18, and work in my dorm). She walks by me 3d time while shyly looking at me and saying "Hi" and she does not even know who I am. I say "You'll burn a hole in me if you keep looking this way". She looks very surprised that I said that, and we start a conversation, I tell her when I get off, etc. etc. and I ask "So, do you mind if I called your later?" and and with excitement she says "Sure!" and there we go.


Here is the problem:
Whether I call 2-3 days later, or a week later, I get blown off no matter where I invite them. Movies, clubs, lunch, anything.

Thats right, THEM. In the past 5 months, there were 7 girls I liked. I got their numbers form the very first conversation. Some gave me the number before I got to ask for it...NEVER a fake one.

I DO act cocky, mysterious, and etc. If I bump into them, they act the same way as the first time. When I see them with other friends who are guys, they are not shy, and act very different - very comfortable, completely un-intimidated. With me, they are always shy...

If I act someone myserious, I get even more interest from them nearly screaming "Spill the beans!" I spill just a bit, and then implying that if she wants to know, then she should hang out with me later. And then... I get the "Ah.. no..." look.
Sometimes, I talk to them, and they start randomly touching me with that look as if they are waiting for something for me to do...but WHAT??? I already asked them out, they blew me off. If I ask again then their entire excitment falls. If I do not, then they end up irritated and call me "Pain in the ass" jokingly, BUT will NEVER EVER EVER call me.

I am not desparate. I mean, I have bumped into them for months just 1-2 times a week.

Don't get me wrong, not every girl I liked laughs and acts this way. I just cut the conversation short because of the look of "What do you want? Get off me".

Also, girls I like are not hottest girls. Maybe 7-8 range. I care more about personality and etc.

Even now, most of them are single...after many months in college.

I WANT to get in their pants, but NOT immediately. I want to date them for a while at least, and see if they are worth being with.

There are some nasty girls that were drunk enough to ask me to f*ck them, but I do NOT do that.

So, WHAT am I doing wrong? Why can't I get a date?

[WannaBbig!]

Thats a really sad story mate, made even worse by the fact that you're obviously an attractive guy and girls are attracted to you even without you saying a thing! (the opposite with me!).

I don't really understand to be honest where you're going wrong, it must be something serious since you're getting blown off without even a second date!

Maybe something you said? Did you come across as too sensitive? Homosexual? Maybe someone's passing rumours about you around campus!

Sorry i'm not much help, bit more info would be cool, any ideas guys/gals?

[MonarchX]

Originally Posted by WannaBbig!

Thats a really sad story mate, made even worse by the fact that you're obviously an attractive guy and girls are attracted to you even without you saying a thing! (the opposite with me!).

I don't really understand to be honest where you're going wrong, it must be something serious since you're getting blown off without even a second date!

Maybe something you said? Did you come across as too sensitive? Homosexual? Maybe someone's passing rumours about you around campus!

Sorry i'm not much help, bit more info would be cool, any ideas guys/gals?

I don't know...

[Lieb]

girls are very flakey at that age.

[MonarchX]

Where are PUAs when you need them?

[Amris]

They need to offer you their number. Read Sauce-Head's post. The magic of getting them to offer it to you is on the first page.

[kyle0k]

part of the problem might be what your doing right now..... Admiring the pua's is one thing but ure being submissive and girls might see that asd one of your qualities.....

[MonarchX]

Originally Posted by Amris

They need to offer you their number. Read Sauce-Head's post. The magic of getting them to offer it to you is on the first page.

But some did...made no difference.

[MonarchX]

Originally Posted by kyle0k

part of the problem might be what your doing right now..... Admiring the pua's is one thing but ure being submissive and girls might see that asd one of your qualities.....

I was being somewhat sarcastic...people kept telling me that I don't listen to them and that is my problem. So, I said "Fine! Lets see what they can do"

[Jeremy-Vincent]

The main factor I attract girls with is my genetically lucky body. Even though, I am not cut up or bulked (I am working on it though), if I would ask a girl about what the first thing that attracts her to me, she would say "Physical attraction". I am often told I look like a masculine version of DeCaprio (which doesn't make me feel all that great...).
Yeah, I also look very young...but not feminine.

i think it's more of a first impression other than physical attraction.

[MonarchX]

Originally Posted by Jeremy-Vincent

i think it's more of a first impression other than physical attraction.

No, I actually asked and heard them gossip about it...

[ispy]

Maybe those girls are lesbians or have boyfriends back home? Don't really know what to tell ya. Unfortunately there's no way for one person to read another person's mind. Otherwise we'd solve just about any problem in this world.

[EEZerik]

Monarch, you've been struggling with this for a little bit it seems and I want to ask a couple questions of you, I think it would help assess your situation better.
Do you get along fine with girls? Do you have lots of friends? Good quality friends guys and girls? I think most of the PU stuff is just knowing what to say and when to say it (and do it). When to push and when to pull. but underlying all this stuff is being an INTERESTING PERSON!!!!!!!!


I would suggest reading: How to win friends and influence people by Dale Carnegie. It has nothing to do with being a loner, it has everything to do with becoming good at interacting with people. After I read this I made some proposals and eventually bought out 50% share of a company due to the way I handled the situation. For example, this one company used to make bad a$$ products but would ship it to me fking late. Like a MONTH late. I could have b!tched them out since 40$ is incorporated into the price for express shipping, but honestly, what would that do? It's a small company. So I wrote them a letter starting off with something to compliment them before I voiced my complaint.

Dear joblowburger joint, I really enjoy your delicious greasy fries. They are my favorites and I have been coming here for 90238098089 years. However, last time I came my burger was underdone, ___, ____, ____. It just wasn't used to the quality that joblows is known for having


(btw I did something similar when this happened at in and out burger when I had a drive through order, they messed something up, i wrote them a letter, and I got a free meal).

See how different that is as opposed to being an A HOLE straight up ? This book teaches how to make people like you, how to be interesting, how to handle certain situations that many people can use.

This book is the reason that I knew how to interact BETTER with people, how to GET WHAT YOU WANT, and guess what? IT WORKS.

www.amazon.com

I recommended it to another on this board and I really think it's a superb book.

OK BACK TO YOUR SPECIFIC SITUATION:
Ok, if the girl you're talking to has a high interest level, then go on a date with her RIGHT THEN. then you immediately build rapport and you can find out what she's all about. Is she into you? What does she like to do, is she intelligent? etc. After you lay down some good groundwork (you did, in your opener, putting yourself a false time constraint, right?: [i can only stay a second])

e.g. Let's say you get her number, then you talk for a little more. Hey I am fking starving, i'm going to in and out ..you should join me.

Next time you go out pay attention to GIRLS and GUYS who are successful with the opposite sex. Then try and dissect their behavior...

Have interesting things to talk about, and take a GENUINE INTEREST in what the other person is all about. Ask them questions, put in your own experiences into intriguing stories, and you'll be on your way in no time

EEZ

[MonarchX]

Originally Posted by EEZerik

Monarch, you've been struggling with this for a little bit it seems. Do you get along fine with girls? Do you have lots of friends? Good quality friends?

I would suggest reading: How to win friends and influence people by Dale Carnegie. It has nothing to do with being a loner, it has everything to do with becoming good at interacting with people. After I read this I made some proposals and eventually bought out 50% share of a company due to the way I handled the situation. This book is the reason that I knew how to interact BETTER with people, how to GET WHAT YOU WANT, the works.

www.amazon.com

I recommended it to another on this board and I really think it's a superb book.


Ok, if the girl you're talking to has a high interest level, then go on a date with her RIGHT THEN. then you immediately build rapport and you can find out. After you lay down some good groundwork (you did, in your opener, putting yourself a false time constraint, right?: [i can only stay a second] )
e.g. Let's say you get her number, then you talk for a little more. Hey I am fking starving, i'm going to in and out you should join me.

Next time you go out pay attention to GIRLS and GUYS who are successful with the opposite sex. Then try and dissect their behavior...

Have interesting things to talk about, and take a GENUINE INTEREST in what the other person is all about. Ask them questions, put in your own experiences into intriguing stories, and you'll be on your way in no time

EEZ

Eck...well I always thought you wait a while before doing anything like calling or else you come off as desparate.

Ah...crap.

[MonarchX]

Originally Posted by EEZerik

Monarch, you've been struggling with this for a little bit it seems and I want to ask a couple questions of you, I think it would help assess your situation better.
Do you get along fine with girls? Do you have lots of friends? Good quality friends guys and girls? I think most of the PU stuff is just knowing what to say and when to say it (and do it). When to push and when to pull. but underlying all this stuff is being an INTERESTING PERSON!!!!!!!!


I would suggest reading: How to win friends and influence people by Dale Carnegie. It has nothing to do with being a loner, it has everything to do with becoming good at interacting with people. After I read this I made some proposals and eventually bought out 50% share of a company due to the way I handled the situation. For example, this one company used to make bad a$$ products but would ship it to me fking late. Like a MONTH late. I could have b!tched them out since 40$ is incorporated into the price for express shipping, but honestly, what would that do? It's a small company. So I wrote them a letter starting off with something to compliment them before I voiced my complaint.

Dear joblowburger joint, I really enjoy your delicious greasy fries. They are my favorites and I have been coming here for 90238098089 years. However, last time I came my burger was underdone, ___, ____, ____. It just wasn't used to the quality that joblows is known for having


(btw I did something similar when this happened at in and out burger when I had a drive through order, they messed something up, i wrote them a letter, and I got a free meal).

See how different that is as opposed to being an A HOLE straight up ? This book teaches how to make people like you, how to be interesting, how to handle certain situations that many people can use.

This book is the reason that I knew how to interact BETTER with people, how to GET WHAT YOU WANT, and guess what? IT WORKS.

www.amazon.com

I recommended it to another on this board and I really think it's a superb book.

OK BACK TO YOUR SPECIFIC SITUATION:
Ok, if the girl you're talking to has a high interest level, then go on a date with her RIGHT THEN. then you immediately build rapport and you can find out what she's all about. Is she into you? What does she like to do, is she intelligent? etc. After you lay down some good groundwork (you did, in your opener, putting yourself a false time constraint, right?: [i can only stay a second])

e.g. Let's say you get her number, then you talk for a little more. Hey I am fking starving, i'm going to in and out ..you should join me.

Next time you go out pay attention to GIRLS and GUYS who are successful with the opposite sex. Then try and dissect their behavior...

Have interesting things to talk about, and take a GENUINE INTEREST in what the other person is all about. Ask them questions, put in your own experiences into intriguing stories, and you'll be on your way in no time

EEZ

One of my friends is very successful with women, his advice ever is "Its all in the eyes". He gets a different girl every couple of months, and spends talking 3-5 hours to them at night, in the morning. He does not do anything whatsoever to get girls. He just stands there and looks at them. He's very intimidating though in his looks.

[wonny47]

I just got to the part where you said you looked like a muscular dicaprio and then just decided you were gay and stopped reading.

[MonarchX]

Originally Posted by wonny47

I just got to the part where you said you looked like a muscular dicaprio and then just decided you were gay and stopped reading.

its what THEY said.

[SupaDJDiesel]

Just show up uninvited at her room one weeknight around 10pm. It's what I do, and I'm sure you remember how nicely I get the ladies (despite that I'm in constant depression). If you dress nicely and ask politely she will most likely let you in. From there it's up to you. Regardless of what you get (I tend to get everything all the time) it will probably not make you happy. College girls are slutty... make sure you don't have too much of an emotional attatchment or you'll wind up messed up forever like me.

It WILL work, just make sure you really want it.

[bearfan3420]

my friend andy is... WEll lets put it this way, hes not a good looking guy. Hes like really white(like albino) and has messed up teeth. but hes a smooth talker and flirts alot with women.hes ahd some hot ass girls. he had sex with his ex a month ago. he called her and he said he wanted to bang. she said ok, he went over. Finished up and 5 min later he just left. LOL. and now she wont talk to him. And you know what? It doesnt bother him. Cause hes flirtin away with other girls.


I've been called a player from time to time. Even though i wasnt(im now going to be) I thought it was intresting to be called that. Basically make eye contact, flirt, tease, try to bust a move sooner or later.

I got my ex girlfriend to like my by teasing her and all that. She thought she was hot **** and I made fun of her and ****. I was being a little bit of a pua without even knowing it. When we started dating I became a AFC. dumbass me.

[Jeremy-Vincent]

Originally Posted by EEZerik

Monarch, you've been struggling with this for a little bit it seems and I want to ask a couple questions of you, I think it would help assess your situation better.
Do you get along fine with girls? Do you have lots of friends? Good quality friends guys and girls? I think most of the PU stuff is just knowing what to say and when to say it (and do it). When to push and when to pull. but underlying all this stuff is being an INTERESTING PERSON!!!!!!!!


I would suggest reading: How to win friends and influence people by Dale Carnegie. It has nothing to do with being a loner, it has everything to do with becoming good at interacting with people. After I read this I made some proposals and eventually bought out 50% share of a company due to the way I handled the situation. For example, this one company used to make bad a$$ products but would ship it to me fking late. Like a MONTH late. I could have b!tched them out since 40$ is incorporated into the price for express shipping, but honestly, what would that do? It's a small company. So I wrote them a letter starting off with something to compliment them before I voiced my complaint.

Dear joblowburger joint, I really enjoy your delicious greasy fries. They are my favorites and I have been coming here for 90238098089 years. However, last time I came my burger was underdone, ___, ____, ____. It just wasn't used to the quality that joblows is known for having


(btw I did something similar when this happened at in and out burger when I had a drive through order, they messed something up, i wrote them a letter, and I got a free meal).

See how different that is as opposed to being an A HOLE straight up ? This book teaches how to make people like you, how to be interesting, how to handle certain situations that many people can use.

This book is the reason that I knew how to interact BETTER with people, how to GET WHAT YOU WANT, and guess what? IT WORKS.

www.amazon.com

I recommended it to another on this board and I really think it's a superb book.

OK BACK TO YOUR SPECIFIC SITUATION:
Ok, if the girl you're talking to has a high interest level, then go on a date with her RIGHT THEN. then you immediately build rapport and you can find out what she's all about. Is she into you? What does she like to do, is she intelligent? etc. After you lay down some good groundwork (you did, in your opener, putting yourself a false time constraint, right?: [i can only stay a second])

e.g. Let's say you get her number, then you talk for a little more. Hey I am fking starving, i'm going to in and out ..you should join me.

Next time you go out pay attention to GIRLS and GUYS who are successful with the opposite sex. Then try and dissect their behavior...

Have interesting things to talk about, and take a GENUINE INTEREST in what the other person is all about. Ask them questions, put in your own experiences into intriguing stories, and you'll be on your way in no time

EEZ

well you got the influence part down that's for sure.

[Sarge Jones]

www.bristollair.com

Read the Tyler Durden section. Especially the article on implementing habits. Great ****.

The sticky is alright but it's a bunch of basic **** that only helps you if you aren't a total nerd or geek.

[MonarchX]

Originally Posted by Sarge Jones

www.bristollair.com

Read the Tyler Durden section. Especially the article on implementing habits. Great ****.

The sticky is alright but it's a bunch of basic **** that only helps you if you aren't a total nerd or geek.

I read the section about the fact that a girl is surrounded by many many guys and forgets about others. I see that as being a problem with me because I do not see or call them often enough. Plus, most of the relationships I see around here happen with people who live in the same dorm because "Why bother walking 2 miles if you can get someone in your building?"

All those girls live about 20 minutes of walking from me...and when they do hang out, its not like "Tomorrow at 9" but rather "OK, you want to go to XXX now?"

So, they just get together and go...

I can't be bothered walking there every time though...plus if I do get blown off again, I'd have to walk back...

[Sarge Jones]

Read "Implementing a Habit"