Board Protocol By Big Cat

[mike rock]

NOTE BY BIG CAT : THIS IS THE STEROID FORUM PROTOCOL, AS INFORMATION ONLY. THIS IS NOT THE PROTOCOL AS IT WILL BE IMPLEMENTED IN THIS FORUM, IF OR WHEN IT IS IMPLEMENTED.

Link:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=632222


Board Protocol - Everyone Read And Keep It Bumped


Keep it bumped, til this has been read by most, then I will sticky it. I learned from making the rules and FAQs that making it a sticky immediately doesn't seem to help much, since despite being mandatory reading for anyone posting, very few seem to be aware of them, that includes some people who have been here a long time.

We're not making any more rules, There is little or no point, it seems everyone just breaks them, and since we can't ban everyone permanently, it just results in a few minor bans no one seems to care much about, since the situation is getting progressively worse. I have a better idea. I'm creating this as a protocol, some things civil, serious people will adhere to. Do you have to follow this protocol ? No. But whether or not you do will show the moderators whether, regardless of rep count, post count or date of registration, you are a serious poster, or a trouble maker.

Because lets face it, some of the problems we've been having can be attributed to newbies not reading the rules, trouble makers, and trolls. But a lot of the fact that it has escalated is actually more respected members aggravating matters. It has to stop. Your reputation or your post count can no longer be a shield against proper enforcement of the rules on our part. Whether or not you can conduct yourself in a proper manner, some guidelines will be given in this protocol, will give US, the moderators, a better view of whom we should be watching. And the result will of course be that we will take action against repeat offenders and people who fail to contribute positively, while being brought to our attention negatively.

I hope you will all try your hardest to participate in this, so that we can regain our status as the nr1 board quickly, and in doing so set an example for other forums on the board, where we hope to apply similar things in the near future (its no secret one or two other forums have gotten out of hand even more).

PROTOCOL GUIDELINES

1.Respect each other. Discussions are what a good board thrives on, and discussions get heated. The odd word or two that is less than appropriate can be uttered, and that is understandable. What dissociates the valuable members from the others is that the valuable members will refrain from using derogatory remarks as much as possible, and if somehow something slips out, they are man enough to apologize for it. Its time that people realize that apologizing for a mistake DOES NOT MAKE YOU A WIMP. On the contrary, it demonstrates you are the bigger man. An apology for a flame does not detract from a valid argument in any way.

2.Respect newbies. A lot to ask, I know, especially if they don't read the board rules. But please, do not flame them. Point out there mistake in a proper and to the point manner (the shorter the better, as stupid questions are never in short supply) and point them to the correct places in the FAQ and the rules. No this does not mean you need to epxlain why dbol only cycles are no good to each and every one of them, only point them to a thread or FAQ that explains why it is so. If they wish to debate it with proper arguments, they can do so of course. I know this isn't easy, and that when you are on the internet, that extra 2 minutes seems like such a waste of time, but it does show the lengths you are willing to go to to help this board.

3.Bring proper arguments. "That's not how I do it and you're a loser" is not a proper argument. If there is no clear answer to prove a point, then that point is open for debate. If people are to learn anything on here, we need civil debate and proper arguments. Even points previously set in stone are open for debate if valid proof to the contrary is brought to the fore. Keep an open mind. Present both facts and opinions, but be as descriptive as possible, and state whether it is fact, opinion or theory to the best of your recollection. If we can form debates like this, without riddling the good arguments with 300 posts that are not to the point, it will allow for a reiteration and conclusion at the end, and EVERYONE BENEFITS.

4. Post to the point in debates and arguments. Much as I appreciate people saying "Big Cat your the best", and I'm sure many others here do to, and they are all equally thankful of your support, such posts do little to further the debate and usually only serve to frustrate the other side, leading to more altercations. I appreciate all the kudos I get, from all of you, and I'm sure I speak for all other people her who present information, but they will be equally meaningful and appreciated by PM or by rep as they are in threads, where they only clutter things up. That is not to say you can't throw in the odd remark in the 13-to-a-dozen threads.

5.Refrain from stupidity. Post OT threads all you want, but keep the bull**** out of serious threads. I'm giving an example that is plaguing the supp section right now, which is the repeated posting of the word "OWNED" after every point that is made, usually accompanied by a lame picture that looks like it was photo-shopped by a lobotomized 5-year old. Usually indicative of the IQ of the poster. Such posts not only clutter up relevant threads, they serve to incite one of more parties and eggs them on, and, more importantly, BB.com spends a lot of money on server space, this is not the way we like to see it used. Have a little decency, and extend fellow members a little respect and courtesy.

6.Educate yourself. Solid advice for a newbie, especially if they haven't read the rules of FAQ before posting. But for vets as well. Its not because some people think you are a big shot, or you think you are a big shot, or you get rep points simply for being the board elder, that you are really the ****. In my opinion the people who are the ****, are those that help fellow members and the board. The only way to do that is to keep bringing solid information. In the entertainment industry we see a lot of one-hit wonders, and they all fade in oblivion. Its no different here. Because you once educated newbies on the state of the art PCT 10 years ago, does not make you an expert or a vet or a guru. Try to be as helpful as you can. We DO appreciate people taking the time to re-adress issues over and over, god knows the questions keep coming back. But if you are bored and on the internet anyway, don't be shy to look something up and post it. You will gain more respect in the eyes of members and the board, even if not entirely correct.

7.Don't be afraid to ask questions. To balance the last point out, I wanted to add that its not because you ask a question, that you will somehow lose your all or not well-earned status of vet or pro. On the contrary, the answers you receive will help you determine which members are also smart and helpful, you further your own knowledge and in doing so, make yourself even more helpful and valued around this board.

8.Don't take anything at face value. BE CRITICAL. I can't stress that enough. Too many times people accuse me of just saying things, even though I take care to back up every word I say. I post the reasons and the proof for a reason, so you can verify it. Then verify it, if it is within your possibilities. I pride myself on being a good research scientist, but I'm not infallable. Nor is anyone else. Demand proof if something sounds fishy, especially if it goes against what is commonly accepted. DEMAND IT. Respect towards people is one thing, but they need to respect you as well. You come here to contribute and to learn. You can't learn unless people back up their arguments, otherwise its nothing but conjecture.


These are just some guidelines to follow, suggestions, that will allow people to see you for who you really are. A more valid measuring tool than all the posts and rep points in the world, and I for one will be basing future sanctions by reviewing people's last ten posts at the very least.

Please post your opinions below. This is a good place to start demonstrating your worth, so keep it civil. Everybody wants respect, so prove you are worth it. I've been here long enough to know the potential of this board. Let's work together and make it a place we all enjoy being.

[Bane]

Awesome

[DejaBlue55]

yee.

[pu12en12g]

Questions for mods (Specifically 97LT1, Big Cat, BignBuff, and McBain)

1) What is your definition of "harassment", and how do you plan on dealing with harassment on the forum ? (First offense, second offense, 100th offense)

2) What is the logic behind 2 people being reported for the same exact disrespectful "word" and ONE being banned, the other NOT being banned ? If you need EXACT names I can PM them to you AGAIN.

3) You say that "newbs" are to be given some "leeway" so-to-speak... what is the logic behind perma-banning a respected / respectful board member without warning ?

4) Funny photos are a great part of this forum in my opinion. Are you saying that we are no longer allowed to post a funny photo that expresses our thoughts on the subject ?

5) In my opinion it seems as if the supplement forum goes through "periods" where more moderation SEEMS to be needed, and then suddenly NUMEROUS bans (as if to prove a particular point). If this is true... do you feel that this form of moderation is the most effective ?

6) What (if anything) did each of you personally "learn" from the sad situation with member: "Skillz" ?

7) You guys do a great job ! Having said that, MANY members have respectfully asked for more moderation of this forum, so that crossposts can be locked quicker, and OBVIOUS trolls and shills can be immediately dealt with. Several respected forum members have volunteered.

What are your thoughts and objections to adding a mod to this (very active) forum ?

[DejaBlue55]

Originally Posted by pu12en12g

Questions for mods (Specifically 97LT1, Big Cat, BignBuff, and McBain)

1) What is your definition of "harassment", and how do you plan on dealing with harassment on the forum ? (First offense, second offense, 100th offense)

2) What is the logic behind 2 people being reported for the same exact disrespectful "word" and ONE being banned, the other NOT being banned ?

If you need EXACT names I can PM them to you AGAIN.

Bump to number 2.)

[xGhostinGx]

Originally Posted by Chronicdrummer9

yee.

Did you mean cee? I shall miss #5. *sigh*

[xGhostinGx]

Originally Posted by pu12en12g

2) What is the logic behind 2 people being reported for the same exact disrespectful "word" and ONE being banned, the other NOT being banned ?

3) You say that "newbs" are to be given some "leeway" so-to-speak... what is the logic behind perma-banning a respected / respectful board member without warning ?


If you need EXACT names I can PM them to you AGAIN.

What did I miss? Anyone?

[mike rock]

bump

[SeaHawk22]

bump


SeaHawk22

[Axel]

i am personally less than pleased with my rep points. i mean, how could i possibly have so many (in the red, if you know what i mean...)?

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[Bane]

Originally Posted by Axel

i am personally less than pleased with my rep points. i mean, how could i possibly have so many (in the red, if you know what i mean...)?

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Man, hasn't anyone told you the best way to receive negative reputation is to protest for your reputation?
Relax, reputation matters only as much as you think you do(which for me is next to zero)
I wish the whole rep system was canceled

[ripped edges]

Originally Posted by Bane

I wish the whole rep system was canceled

BUMP...It divides us too damn much!

[Bane]

Originally Posted by ripped edges

BUMP...It divides us too damn much!

The saddest thing is there are some people who get actually sad when they get negged
And there are some other people who sadistically think they make you sad when they neg you
The only use I personally have for the rep system is as a quick PM system

[DejaBlue55]

Originally Posted by xGhostinGx

What did I miss? Anyone?

You missed my 5-day ban apparently...

Check PM

[John_Milton]

Bump

[PSKlifter]

interesting, and i like pu12's questions and look forward to the mods responses and thoughts.

[zootalors]

bump

[mike rock]

Originally Posted by Bane

reputation matters only as much as you think you do(which for me is next to zero)
I wish the whole rep system was canceled

Agree, just take a look at Big Cat's post and rep numbers, more than 8000 posts and 338 reps so far, I know there are some members here with more reps and less posts than Big Cat but far less knowledge...rep system means nothing to me...

[Big Cat]

Originally Posted by pu12en12g

Questions for mods (Specifically 97LT1, Big Cat, BignBuff, and McBain)

1) What is your definition of "harassment", and how do you plan on dealing with harassment on the forum ? (First offense, second offense, 100th offense

2) What is the logic behind 2 people being reported for the same exact disrespectful "word" and ONE being banned, the other NOT being banned ? If you need EXACT names I can PM them to you AGAIN.

3) You say that "newbs" are to be given some "leeway" so-to-speak... what is the logic behind perma-banning a respected / respectful board member without warning ?

4) Funny photos are a great part of this forum in my opinion. Are you saying that we are no longer allowed to post a funny photo that expresses our thoughts on the subject ?

5) In my opinion it seems as if the supplement forum goes through "periods" where more moderation SEEMS to be needed, and then suddenly NUMEROUS bans (as if to prove a particular point). If this is true... do you feel that this form of moderation is the most effective ?

6) What (if anything) did each of you personally "learn" from the sad situation with member: "Skillz" ?

7) You guys do a great job ! Having said that, MANY members have respectfully asked for more moderation of this forum, so that crossposts can be locked quicker, and OBVIOUS trolls and shills can be immediately dealt with. Several respected forum members have volunteered.

What are your thoughts and objections to adding a mod to this (very active) forum ?

Most of this will be answered when protocol is imported and adapted for the supplement forums. For instance steroid bashing and newbies aren't as much of a problem here and some of the issues you stated are.

1)My definition of harrasment is irrelevant, and the action with the nth post is as well, since these will be guidelines, not rules. But I'd say inflammatory posts like this come close.

2)There is none. That's why protocol is needed, to help give a better determination of worth than posts and rep, so that the mods have a better view of how harsh to take action against which transgressor.

3)Again, this protocol will provide exactly the righ ammo for more or less strict action being taken. Whether that member is respected (which usually only means some people, but not all like him, for a variety of reasons and he has a few more posts, nothing more) or not. This sort of protocol will determine quickly and easily who is to be respected and who is not.

4)Certainly not in SERIOUS threads and certainly not if its inflammatory to one of the involved parties like the obnoxious OWNED posts. Again, you ARE allowed to do this, but when problems surrounding your person arise, the seriousity of your sentence will be based on such things. They show disrespect towards people involved, but other members as well, since you take up server space for the sole reason of egging people on.

5) Obviously I feel no form of moderation is effective as long as long as the companies' hegemony is not broken and people are not judged by proper worth. Obviously I feel no form of moderation currently used is effective, or I would not be suggesting importing protocol.

6)Nothing, I wasn't modding the supp forum at that time and I do not know the man. A system like this will expose people for what they are and allow the mods to take action based on that.

7)With all due respect, but with the click-forming and animosity on this forum, the chance of any additional mod actually being from this forum is pretty much non-existent. Adding mods is sadly not as easy as it used to be. It requires the unanimous agreement of all mods that extra moderation is needed, and then the large majority to agree on the actual mod to be selected. On top of that most involved are convinced it is not a problem of too little moderation, rather the lack of a good system to properly weed out the trouble makers, who are still counted by affiliation, post count and rep too much, rather than their actual value to board and members.

[<^>]

First off Bump.

Im glad to see these issues are being discussed publicly and questions being answered. Its just sad to see that it took so long for this issue to be handled when it should have been confronted months ago. One reason I put off posting on this forum was because of the "out of control" posts being allowed without any moderation.

Im glad were dealing now with this issue officially.

Peace

[xGhostinGx]

I would be so happy if the rep system disappeared. We dont need a rep system to know who is being a troll or tool. What I wouldnt give to see some of those PMs of people complaining about being negged. Funny but sad. If someone doesnt like what you are saying, you are screwed. Plus, they get to tell you what a jerk they think you are in the comments. Obvious Ive had a few of those.

[Krzna]

jkeithc82 for mod


fo shizzle jozzedizzle!

[John_Milton]

Keep it bumped

[mike rock]

bump

[dito]

Pretty intersting. I think this should help some. A couple more moderators are needed though.

[pu12en12g]

Originally Posted by mike rock

Please post your opinions below

Originally Posted by Big Cat

1)My definition of harrasment is irrelevant, and the action with the nth post is as well, since these will be guidelines, not rules. But I'd say inflammatory posts like this come close.

inflammatory posts like what ?

[<^>]

bump

[Estopell]

Originally Posted by pu12en12g

inflammatory posts like what ?

I was wondering that myself.

[UberBerzerker]

Originally Posted by Estopell

I was wondering that myself.

yeah, me too also, tambien.


also - why is the mod decision so crazy complicated. Seems like it's a bit more than it needs to be - it's just a mod job on a webforum, not running the military. No offense to the mods, but if someone can't handle being a mod, then you are removed from the position, yeah? Can't be THAT big of a deal.

[Marc_1]

Bump!!!