Board Protocol - Everyone Read And Keep It Bumped

[Big Cat]

Keep it bumped, til this has been read by most, then I will sticky it. I learned from making the rules and FAQs that making it a sticky immediately doesn't seem to help much, since despite being mandatory reading for anyone posting, very few seem to be aware of them, that includes some people who have been here a long time.

We're not making any more rules, There is little or no point, it seems everyone just breaks them, and since we can't ban everyone permanently, it just results in a few minor bans no one seems to care much about, since the situation is getting progressively worse. I have a better idea. I'm creating this as a protocol, some things civil, serious people will adhere to. Do you have to follow this protocol ? No. But whether or not you do will show the moderators whether, regardless of rep count, post count or date of registration, you are a serious poster, or a trouble maker.

Because lets face it, some of the problems we've been having can be attributed to newbies not reading the rules, trouble makers, and trolls. But a lot of the fact that it has escalated is actually more respected members aggravating matters. It has to stop. Your reputation or your post count can no longer be a shield against proper enforcement of the rules on our part. Whether or not you can conduct yourself in a proper manner, some guidelines will be given in this protocol, will give US, the moderators, a better view of whom we should be watching. And the result will of course be that we will take action against repeat offenders and people who fail to contribute positively, while being brought to our attention negatively.

I hope you will all try your hardest to participate in this, so that we can regain our status as the nr1 board quickly, and in doing so set an example for other forums on the board, where we hope to apply similar things in the near future (its no secret one or two other forums have gotten out of hand even more).

PROTOCOL GUIDELINES

1.Respect each other. Discussions are what a good board thrives on, and discussions get heated. The odd word or two that is less than appropriate can be uttered, and that is understandable. What dissociates the valuable members from the others is that the valuable members will refrain from using derogatory remarks as much as possible, and if somehow something slips out, they are man enough to apologize for it. Its time that people realize that apologizing for a mistake DOES NOT MAKE YOU A WIMP. On the contrary, it demonstrates you are the bigger man. An apology for a flame does not detract from a valid argument in any way.

2.Respect newbies. A lot to ask, I know, especially if they don't read the board rules. But please, do not flame them. Point out there mistake in a proper and to the point manner (the shorter the better, as stupid questions are never in short supply) and point them to the correct places in the FAQ and the rules. No this does not mean you need to epxlain why dbol only cycles are no good to each and every one of them, only point them to a thread or FAQ that explains why it is so. If they wish to debate it with proper arguments, they can do so of course. I know this isn't easy, and that when you are on the internet, that extra 2 minutes seems like such a waste of time, but it does show the lengths you are willing to go to to help this board.

3.Bring proper arguments. "That's not how I do it and you're a loser" is not a proper argument. If there is no clear answer to prove a point, then that point is open for debate. If people are to learn anything on here, we need civil debate and proper arguments. Even points previously set in stone are open for debate if valid proof to the contrary is brought to the fore. Keep an open mind. Present both facts and opinions, but be as descriptive as possible, and state whether it is fact, opinion or theory to the best of your recollection. If we can form debates like this, without riddling the good arguments with 300 posts that are not to the point, it will allow for a reiteration and conclusion at the end, and EVERYONE BENEFITS.

4. Post to the point in debates and arguments. Much as I appreciate people saying "Big Cat your the best", and I'm sure many others here do to, and they are all equally thankful of your support, such posts do little to further the debate and usually only serve to frustrate the other side, leading to more altercations. I appreciate all the kudos I get, from all of you, and I'm sure I speak for all other people her who present information, but they will be equally meaningful and appreciated by PM or by rep as they are in threads, where they only clutter things up. That is not to say you can't throw in the odd remark in the 13-to-a-dozen threads.

5.Refrain from stupidity. Post OT threads all you want, but keep the bull**** out of serious threads. I'm giving an example that is plaguing the supp section right now, which is the repeated posting of the word "OWNED" after every point that is made, usually accompanied by a lame picture that looks like it was photo-shopped by a lobotomized 5-year old. Usually indicative of the IQ of the poster. Such posts not only clutter up relevant threads, they serve to incite one of more parties and eggs them on, and, more importantly, BB.com spends a lot of money on server space, this is not the way we like to see it used. Have a little decency, and extend fellow members a little respect and courtesy.

6.Educate yourself. Solid advice for a newbie, especially if they haven't read the rules of FAQ before posting. But for vets as well. Its not because some people think you are a big shot, or you think you are a big shot, or you get rep points simply for being the board elder, that you are really the ****. In my opinion the people who are the ****, are those that help fellow members and the board. The only way to do that is to keep bringing solid information. In the entertainment industry we see a lot of one-hit wonders, and they all fade in oblivion. Its no different here. Because you once educated newbies on the state of the art PCT 10 years ago, does not make you an expert or a vet or a guru. Try to be as helpful as you can. We DO appreciate people taking the time to re-adress issues over and over, god knows the questions keep coming back. But if you are bored and on the internet anyway, don't be shy to look something up and post it. You will gain more respect in the eyes of members and the board, even if not entirely correct.

7.Don't be afraid to ask questions. To balance the last point out, I wanted to add that its not because you ask a question, that you will somehow lose your all or not well-earned status of vet or pro. On the contrary, the answers you receive will help you determine which members are also smart and helpful, you further your own knowledge and in doing so, make yourself even more helpful and valued around this board.

8.Don't take anything at face value. BE CRITICAL. I can't stress that enough. Too many times people accuse me of just saying things, even though I take care to back up every word I say. I post the reasons and the proof for a reason, so you can verify it. Then verify it, if it is within your possibilities. I pride myself on being a good research scientist, but I'm not infallable. Nor is anyone else. Demand proof if something sounds fishy, especially if it goes against what is commonly accepted. DEMAND IT. Respect towards people is one thing, but they need to respect you as well. You come here to contribute and to learn. You can't learn unless people back up their arguments, otherwise its nothing but conjecture.


These are just some guidelines to follow, suggestions, that will allow people to see you for who you really are. A more valid measuring tool than all the posts and rep points in the world, and I for one will be basing future sanctions by reviewing people's last ten posts at the very least.

Please post your opinions below. This is a good place to start demonstrating your worth, so keep it civil. Everybody wants respect, so prove you are worth it. I've been here long enough to know the potential of this board. Let's work together and make it a place we all enjoy being.

[The Booger]

Bump.

Very well put Big Cat.

[2pounds]

Bump,,

Folks most of these debates are based on theories anyway,, A theory cannot be proven wrong!

Anecdotal evidence is not fact,,, nor do studies that support theories provide facts.


'There is no greater mistake than the hasty conclusion that opinions are worthless because they are badly argued" Thomas Huxley

"Sit down before fact as a little child, be prepared to give up every preconceived notion, follow humbly wherever and to whatever abysses nature leads, or you shall learn nothing" Huxley

"Every great advance in natural knowledge has involved the absolute rejection of authority." Huxley


"In scientific work, those who refuse to go beyond fact rarely get as far as fact" Huxley



"Freedom and order are not incompatible... truth is strength... free discussion is the very life of truth." Huxley

[6ft8monster]

bump great post big cat!! TTT

[guym]

One thing that may help, but needs to be cleaned up/updated:

I use this a lot, as do some others...

Please take your time to read these following posts completely before
asking elementary questions like the ones you posted:

1.
New Members Information

2.
The FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)

3.
The Board Rules

4. Big Cat's
Steroid Profiles & Sample Stacks

Please do not post again until you have read, understood and
digested all the information above.
We are happy to answer any and all questions that are educated.

Thanks for visiting bodybuilding.com.
Have a good time researching.

BUT, some of the info is IMO out of date, such as the HCG protocols. Updating these would help. If BC is too busy with his book, (Or, hell...just doesn't feel like doing them! ) perhaps someone else could step up.

I'd do it, but I'm more of a real world type guy i.e. can't give you much scientific backing, write in a acedemic manner etc...

[sikboy]

Bump.

I will refrain from being so easily baited into arguments, by users who just come here to cause trouble, I realise that by being bated into such arguments only detracts from my character, it is hard to just walk away when some1 is throwing endless **** in your direction for no good reason, but if the board benefits from me keeping quiet and alerting the mods, so be it!
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I guess ill have to throw all my photo shop pics that my lobotomised Labrador spent days completing.

J/K

[Big Cat]

Originally Posted by guym

One thing that may help, but needs to be cleaned up/updated:

I use this a lot, as do some others...

Please take your time to read these following posts completely before
asking elementary questions like the ones you posted:

1.
New Members Information

2.
The FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)

3.
The Board Rules

4. Big Cat's
Steroid Profiles & Sample Stacks

Please do not post again until you have read, understood and
digested all the information above.
We are happy to answer any and all questions that are educated.

Thanks for visiting bodybuilding.com.
Have a good time researching.

BUT, some of the info is IMO out of date, such as the HCG protocols. Updating these would help. If BC is too busy with his book, (Or, hell...just doesn't feel like doing them! ) perhaps someone else could step up.

I'd do it, but I'm more of a real world type guy i.e. can't give you much scientific backing, write in a acedemic manner etc...

Well I don't really have time to do anything that'd be worth a damn, but if someone is working on something, I'd be glad to look it over and add some things.

[user903842]

bump

[tonutzda2@veriz]

bump

[Max1pc]

i think i've followed most of this since the day i joined

[midget]

Bumpity Bump.

[TMAX]

bump

[vipastyle]

bumpity bump stickity stickity

[Goldberg-fan]

i think some thing are really changing in this Forum. well i am a new bie and i started my first cycle. i want to tell u my experiounce with this forum. as a new bie i ask stupid question. most of guys just starting badword or blah blah blah. but when i post the same question in other forum (i dont want to mantion the name) they treated me like a teacher. i am also a professional network admin. if any one ask any stupid question to me regarding network i just not flame his A** up i tell me the right way just that.

i really like the new rules keep it up

[PoorBigBoy]

Bump

Thanks for newbie toleration Bro's

[adam005]

bump

[Big Cat]

Its not rules guys, its protocol. Its a new way of looking at each other, a new rep system if you will.

And to the new fellows out there, it does not excuse you from your obligations to read up on the basics. That's why we have rules and FAQs stickied, not to be ignored. What this protocol asks is a little respect and decency from all parties involved. THere are no teachers and students, if you want a board to function you need to function as parts of a puzzle, let others teach you and in turn teach them.

[6ft8monster]

bump.. this is what its all about.. we are all brothers in iron.. lol.. and we need to stick together regardless.. but we cant do that with all the bickering.. i agree with the protocol.. it holds each of us responsible for what comes out of our mouths.. hopefully it will make the board even more valuable

[joey_tgstk]

It's a good idea to have this, it's just so hard not to flame obvious trolls and the such.

-Joey

[Big Cat]

Originally Posted by joey_tgstk

It's a good idea to have this, it's just so hard not to flame obvious trolls and the such.

I know, mistakes are made, I'm no exception to that either. The difference is a real man corrects his mistakes. A simple apology for the flame does not detract from your argument.

[OvErBlOwN]

Thank god this board was getting boaring.. Bump...

[OvErBlOwN]

bump

[mindraper]

ttt

This is excatly what we need here now.

[sascha]

bump

[Clive Jones]

excellent..i agree with all you said man

[meanmo]

bump..


nice I agree with this mucho..

[The big guy]

Bump, Bump, Bump, on and on and on

[lostdaytomorrow]

Well said. BUMP.

[6ft8monster]

bump

[son_of_siam]

This thread sums it up.

Unfortunatley this thread won't stop the trolling, however there are ways to hinder trolls practices. If it seems to be a troll job or the ignorance is at a very high level, then just ignore it. Don't give it any attention. Trolls seek attention and reaction. They don't get it and they move to a different site or forum.

The hard part is recognizing what is just sincere ignorance and trolling ignorance. Ask the appropriate questions and I'm sure with your knowledge it won't be hard to figure that out.

That's my advice to the forum members. I belong to many forums and this seems to work for us, for the most part anyways. I have learned who to trust on here from lurking. Unfortunately for noobs it will be hard do this. I suggest all noobs lurk before trusting advice. Read and study the members and their advice just as you would study the questions to ask as well.

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