Ecstasy and Steroids?

[biker_boy]

I have done a search on ecstasy and found nothing. Was wondering if there are any links to sites or threads that discuss the two in relation. Also, perhaps some opinions from you bros... Does taking ecstasy while on Steroids negatively effect your gains? Is it alright to take ecstasy while on cycle and if not, why?

[bdiesel]

dude x is a drug. it is a toxin to the body. do you think it will benefit you? i mean seriously. do you know what is in that ****? you'd be surprised what the lab results bring back. i wish i were able to copy the results andpost them. if you take lifting seriously you wouldn't even be considering this. and since you're not serious about that then you shouldn't be juicing. sorry, i'm sure that's not what you want to read but that's my opinion.

[biker_boy]

Thanks for the reply mate but Ide expect a bit more understanding from a fellow 'juicer'. Firstly, ive only done it twice and i would like to experience most things in my life - you only live once. Secondly, you are sounding like the media-brainwashed public on AAS. And before i decided to take it i had asked a lot of questions from friends who are experienced in taking the drug.

I would appreciate an actual answer to the question instead of lectures.

[bdiesel]

didn't intend to lecture. but at the same time i wouldn't do it while you were on. i won't (or can't even if i did want to!) touch the **** but i compare it to alcohol. the bottom line is that it's a toxin. it'll hinder gains in the long run. if you feel the need to do it wait till you're off.

[strongarm123]

Originally Posted by biker_boy

I have done a search on ecstasy and found nothing. Was wondering if there are any links to sites or threads that discuss the two in relation. Also, perhaps some opinions from you bros... Does taking ecstasy while on Steroids negatively effect your gains? Is it alright to take ecstasy while on cycle and if not, why?

if you cant last 3 months without ex you shouldnt be cycling.

[MHSClassof00]

Originally Posted by bdiesel

dude x is a drug. it is a toxin to the body. do you think it will benefit you? i mean seriously. do you know what is in that ****? you'd be surprised what the lab results bring back. i wish i were able to copy the results andpost them. if you take lifting seriously you wouldn't even be considering this. and since you're not serious about that then you shouldn't be juicing. sorry, i'm sure that's not what you want to read but that's my opinion.

Just wondering have you or anyone else ever heard or even show a report that states someone died from taking pure X, aka MDMA?
The answer: NO you can't

The only real tests have been done on animals, in which case they'd give a monkey some ungodly amount of X like 4 pills, 2x a day, then say "See I told you it's bad." Well crap, if a person takes to much of ANYTHING it's bad.

The few tests that were done on humans came up with ...
"From a scientific standpoint, there is no evidence that it causes brain damage in humans," contends Dr. James P. O'Callaghan, head of the molecular neurotoxicology lab at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, who has studied MDMA's effects on the nervous system... "

Just so you know. Sometimes, just sometimes, people, mainly the gov. like to say everything is bad and will kill you instead of telling people the truth.

"Say NO to sex!" Yeah that's working well in American....


Peace

[strongarm123]

Originally Posted by MHSClassof00

Just wondering have you or anyone else ever heard or even show a report that states someone died from taking pure X, aka MDMA?
The answer: NO you can't

The only real tests have been done on animals, in which case they'd give a monkey some ungodly amount of X like 4 pills, 2x a day, then say "See I told you it's bad." Well crap, if a person takes to much of ANYTHING it's bad.

The few tests that were done on humans came up with ...
"From a scientific standpoint, there is no evidence that it causes brain damage in humans," contends Dr. James P. O'Callaghan, head of the molecular neurotoxicology lab at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, who has studied MDMA's effects on the nervous system... "

Just so you know. Sometimes, just sometimes, people, mainly the gov. like to say everything is bad and will kill you instead of telling people the truth.

"Say NO to sex!" Yeah that's working well in American....


Peace

We arent talking about exstacys effects on humans...we're talking about doing it while on cycle...and theres no point in cycling if you cant hold off on the ex for 3 months...its retarded.

[EnGnEeRnGAnImaL]

I agree with everyone. It's commond sense bro. I used to be in the game when I used to rave and have done my share. Street X is nowhere close to MDMA. It probably is, if it has any, a couple percent. The other ingredients are Cocaine, Heroine, Speed, and solutions from under your kitchen sink. X is a farely new drug. No one really know the long term effects of it yet, but from my experiences, it messes with your emotions, the serotonine levels, and it does affect your brain, just like any other drug. You shouldn't be doing it, period. And that said you shouldn't be doing it on cycle. Oh and just we might be "juicers" but were not crackheads.

Also, read the rules, no talk of rec drugs so I suggest you delete this thread before the mods get to you.

Tony

[biker_boy]

Originally Posted by bdiesel

didn't intend to lecture. but at the same time i wouldn't do it while you were on. i won't (or can't even if i did want to!) touch the **** but i compare it to alcohol. the bottom line is that it's a toxin. it'll hinder gains in the long run. if you feel the need to do it wait till you're off.

This is the reason i posted, because i do not drink alcohol and would like to know if it is necessary to stay of X while on cycle or if it is still safe. I mean if it does not hinder gains at all then why not have a fun night out? Thanks again for reply bro and if i came off as rude or anything not intended. :thumbsup:

Originally Posted by strongarm123

if you cant last 3 months without ex you shouldnt be cycling.

How the hell did you come to that conclusion? You have not provided any evidence to show that ecstasy is bad for the body in general, and further so you havent showed any proof of it hindering gains or chemically effecting steroids.

Originally Posted by strongarm123

We arent talking about exstacys effects on humans...we're talking about doing it while on cycle...and theres no point in cycling if you cant hold off on the ex for 3 months...its retarded.

Once again you show no evidence, and instead just say it is retarted? I dont understand what you mean by "theres no point in cycling if you cant hold off on ex for 3 months"? Why is there no point? Show me evidence that it will completely halt muscular hypertrophy?

These are the questions i have being trying to get answered in the first place. I am asking so that if it is shown that ecstasy does have a negative effect i will be able to stay off it while on cycle. I am after all trying to better my gains while on, hence the research. No need for the hatred dude.

[biker_boy]

Originally Posted by EnGnEeRnGAnImaL

I agree with everyone. It's commond sense bro. I used to be in the game when I used to rave and have done my share. Street X is nowhere close to MDMA. It probably is, if it has any, a couple percent. The other ingredients are Cocaine, Heroine, Speed, and solutions from under your kitchen sink. X is a farely new drug. No one really know the long term effects of it yet, but from my experiences, it messes with your emotions, the serotonine levels, and it does affect your brain, just like any other drug. You shouldn't be doing it, period. And that said you shouldn't be doing it on cycle. Oh and just we might be "juicers" but were not crackheads.

Also, read the rules, no talk of rec drugs so I suggest you delete this thread before the mods get to you.

Tony

Ah sorry, tried deleting but was unable to. Apologies Mods. Although... This is in relation to AAS and i have come here in a proper mannered way and have tried to be mature about this. Be lenient :P

[Philthekeg]

hmmm x, the best advise i can give you is that you need to get a life, x is for loser. i would rather smoke or even drink a lil but x is hardcore it dehydates you that cant be good for growing, i say x=catabolic lika muthafuka

[biker_boy]

Man to each their own.

Alcohol dehydrates your body aswell. I find it ironic that as AAS users you are aware of the media manipulation on many subjects, including AAS, and yet you chose not to be open minded on the issue. Unless you have a sound knowledge on Ecstasy and its effects on the human body then you arent qualified to tell me that im a 'loser' for taking it. And by the way ive only ever done it twice in my life so i wouldnt consider myself a 'hardcore' user.

Let me say this again, for the fifth time;
The reason i am asking these questions is so that i am able to make a decision on whether or not it is wise for me to take ecstasy while on cycle

Enough of the childish flames please.

[Audiowaves252]

Originally Posted by biker_boy

Let me say this again, for the fifth time;
The reason i am asking these questions is so that i am able to make a decision on whether or not it is wise for me to take ecstasy while on cycle

hmm, how should i say this... NO WAY IN HELL..

And phil and you crazy *******s what are you doin up haha i thought i was the only one here with insomnia

[strongarm123]

Originally Posted by biker_boy

Man to each their own.

Alcohol dehydrates your body aswell. I find it ironic that as AAS users you are aware of the media manipulation on many subjects, including AAS, and yet you chose not to be open minded on the issue. Unless you have a sound knowledge on Ecstasy and its effects on the human body then you arent qualified to tell me that im a 'loser' for taking it. And by the way ive only ever done it twice in my life so i wouldnt consider myself a 'hardcore' user.

Let me say this again, for the fifth time;
The reason i am asking these questions is so that i am able to make a decision on whether or not it is wise for me to take ecstasy while on cycle

Enough of the childish flames please.

It is common sense dood, you act like I care about the media or what schools attempted to tell me. I dont. If you've only done it twice in your life why are you worried about a 3 month span? you asked for advice you got it...I really dont care if you follow it or not, pop 10 a day for all I care...its not me.

[biker_boy]

Thanks for replies guys. I wont take it while on cycle. :thumbs up:

[strongarm123]

Originally Posted by Audiowaves252

hmm, how should i say this... NO WAY IN HELL..

And phil and you crazy *******s what are you doin up haha i thought i was the only one here with insomnia

lmao I dunno man I've been having crazy insomnia lately. cycle seems to keep me up more. aslong as it isnt effecting my work outs i dont mind it.

[EnGnEeRnGAnImaL]

Good choice buddy boy, good luck!

[Audiowaves252]

Originally Posted by strongarm123

lmao I dunno man I've been having crazy insomnia lately. cycle seems to keep me up more. aslong as it isnt effecting my work outs i dont mind it.

lol not me bro i hate it, couple no sleep with a gram of test and tren = grumpy bastard

[Philthekeg]

i am trying to pimp a girl for this weekend haha

[Philthekeg]

Originally Posted by Audiowaves252

lol not me bro i hate it, couple no sleep with a gram of test and tren = grumpy bastard

tren = you need sleeping pills dammit

[Audiowaves252]

Originally Posted by Philthekeg

tren = you need sleeping pills dammit

tell me bout it its not even worth sleeping if you gotta wake up to sweaty smelly sheets grr night sweats suck

[Philthekeg]

Originally Posted by Audiowaves252

tell me bout it its not even worth sleeping if you gotta wake up to sweaty smelly sheets grr night sweats suck

haha big fans learn to love them

[Audiowaves252]

Originally Posted by Philthekeg

haha big fans learn to love them

bro i have an industrial sized fan right next to my bed, a ceiling fan and 66 on the air conditioning

[Philthekeg]

Originally Posted by Audiowaves252

bro i have an industrial sized fan right next to my bed, a ceiling fan and 66 on the air conditioning

maybe you should sleep in the bath tub filled with ice, damn i got work at eight or like 6 hours from now i am out later bro

[sikboy]

From the board rules:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=39370

9. As stated before, this is a board for the discussion of anabolic, muscle building substances and their safe, responsible usage.
This is NOT a forum for the discussion of recreational drugs.
Do one or the other. If you are into recreational drugs(coke, ecstacy, etc..), that is your personal choice. Most of us are pursuing a lifestyle where we are trying to better ourselves, not destroy ourselves. Please keep your discussion of recreational drugs to the MISC forum. Chances are, you'll get flamed there too, but you'll get banned here if you keep bringing them up. This is not the place to discuss them. Recreational drugs have no place in the bodybuilding lifestyle.

[tank_man]

E is a catabolic drug and should be avoided while bulking. I have a laid back attitute towards drugs and the reputation roids get, while really poor in terms of objectiveness, is the same for E's and other drugs.

I am a fan of Professor's John Davies myth's of addiction. Imho booze is far worst for u than e and coke combined, even in short-term.

if u must do it make sure u have a very high carb intake beforehand and even have some nutritional drinks on hand. Tho don't do it often or it will effect your gains.



This is an article i wrote on the subject:



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First of all excuse any typing/grammar errors as I have not slept.

I have been researching your work on addiction and I categorically agree with your conclusions. For me addiction does not cause irreversible brain change. Indeed, I have read studied in the literature that claim than anterior cingulate classically conditioned cue associative cravings are permanent. That in my view symbolises the misinformation of the research on the concept. Haven't those researchers heard of the basic principle of associative extinction? In addition, the irreversible brain changes and loss of control (as quoted by many studies as central to addiction) are in my view also wrong; instead I attribute
It to the individuals external attributions, conformity to the believed side effects and learned helplessness (indeed as your
Research supports). Furthermore, the role of self-efficacy and more precisely, social cognitive theory is also implicated. Interestingly, one of the major contributors to self-efficacy is vicarious learning. I think this is one of the reasons learned helpless is made likely. Drug addicts observe
Other drug users experience problems and due to social norms attribute it to the drug thus damaging their self-efficacy for change.

I believe addiction is a potent force and due to the way in which dopamine agonists affect the ventral Tegmental area and
Other areas of the pleasure system I often see addiction as operating as potent as biological primary reinforcers, except it’s learned in the same way as secondary reinforcers - conditioning. The only difference between primary biological operant reinforcers in their ability to motivate behaviour is inherent and unable to be suppressed, whereas the drug use is behaviorally based and thus can be unlearned.

I believe it may share some of the common factors that exist to motivate behaviours crucial to our pro-creation and survival
Instincts. For example, pre-occupation is just a byproduct of our cognitive motivations that exist to promote reproduction, gaining food etc. The cravings are just the result of sanitization cue associations learned through experience where stimuli learn to trigger Compensatory reactions. The reactions therefore increase the chance of relapse because the negative mood states are conditioned with drug use. In addition, there is an adaptive value for dopamine to be released when a reward is due to be given or when there is a belief that the reward is due to come. In the absence the expected reward dopaminergic activity decreases and causes the dysphoria that drug users often experience. Furthermore, the concept of denial has been implicated with drug use. I do not make a cause and effect link, rather, the denial aspect is there because of the social norms and beliefs regarding drug use. Indeed, as dopamine agonists act on the pleasure system and operate similar to primary
Reinforcers it should be noted that denial is also a phenomena seen in masturbation attitudes. I believe drug denial stems from the same factors, not neurological plasticity changes caused by the drug.

Sometimes I believe the best way to research is to use the deviant and unorthodox approach. That is just what I did as this
Area affected me so much that I wanted to prove my theories into it (which are heavily influenced be yours). Specifically,
For the past 3 months I’ve used amphetamine daily in order to get myself addicted. The study ended 2 weeks ago and expectedly
I found myself somewhat dependent and in a state of dysphoria after I stopped. However, I found that by having a high
Self-efficacy about my potential to stop, the use of cognitive-behavioural interventions, and the use of covert sanitization to
Pair further use with long-term behavioural toxicity I was able to stop very easy. Now I aim to keep researching and produce a
Report into the study soon and draw my conclusions from it. Specifically, they will discuss the role of cognitive attributions in the role addiction plays, self-effiacy etc. Sorry am too tired to right anymore at the moment!

Anyway to sum up, I believe the idea that addiction is a disease is unfounded and I believe it largely affected by behavioural and cognitive Components. Here is a short plan I gave to an amphetamine addict also on a message board who was interested in my Self-administration experiment and problems I experienced. In his case he has been addicted to the American methamphetamine "crank" for 2 years.

Cravings:
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: Drug took mostly in room for 2 years

; conditioned with many aspects of net use, objects in the room etc.

Significance?
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; Compensatory reaction conditioned withdrawals. Sight of them when sobour will activate cravings to seek again.

Manifested in:
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; Compulsive behaviour and obsessions of taking

; lying to myself

; Depressed mood

; Fatigue

; General opposite effects of the drug

Solution:
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; rely on classical conditioning extinction principles. In other words, face the conditioned stimuli until the contingency
Dies and therefore the potential to illicit cravings.

; use covert aversion therapy to mentally stop the use of speed. Create a contingency where the sight of speed is the CS for
the adverse constipation and bowel pains i experience due to it.

;mentally envision further drug use with academic costs and further social deteriorating. especially in appearance, skin
looking very white and so on.

; praise successful attempts at withstanding cravings by associating it with my psychological knowledge, proof you am able to
Determine how you do in life; tell myself how you will be back to my old self in no time if that continues.

Going further:

; tackle reasons for drug use with appropriate behaviour and cognitive interventions (as directed);

One possible adverse side effect;

;attributing any mental blocks such as reading difficulties due to brain damage from the amphetamine use should be challenged
Cognitively as you have demonstrated your reading speed is still excellent and so is recall. The fact alcohol has worst
Consequences on learning yet most students use in abundance. Also the fact that your are able to learn when you focus and
Read proficiently should be noted and reinforced with self-talk comments of success and efficiency.

; get back into regular social regime again and focus on forming a long-term stable romantic love relationship with your
Girlfriend.

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this was before i eva lifted

[biker_boy]

Wow bro nice report. I would be interested to read the further report you mentioned you were planning on doing.

[tank_man]

Originally Posted by biker_boy

Wow bro nice report. I would be interested to read the further report you mentioned you were planning on doing.

bro this is one area of psychiatry that i am very knowledgable on. I have did countless work on it. If u want a good roid search for myths of addiciton - attributional perspective.

end of the day drug use is a political problem, should not really be a bad sociological problem, like its suggested.

Scientific American believes drugs should be legalised and it also believes banning them may be a breach of our human rights. Drug research gives us the first piece of evidence yet for the maxtrix scenario. What is real? No one knows. Our thoughts/beliefs and outlook/perception are simply the result of our neurochemistry. Neurotransmitters when enhanced or depleted are known to give us a completely different outlook to things.

That aside, use drugs responsible and counter the side effects.

It should be known that 120,000 people ALONE in the UK die per year due to cigs. Only 7 or so die due to amphetamines. Imagine of cigs were invented yesterday? think abt it. Classification does not represent scientific reality, only political correctness.

[Adrenaline]

Interesting read Tank, thanks for sharing it.

I wouldnt recommend anyone take X, you just never know who made it or whats in it.... for all you know, death for you could be in it.

[user43390fgui8t]

Originally Posted by biker_boy

I have done a search on ecstasy and found nothing. Was wondering if there are any links to sites or threads that discuss the two in relation. Also, perhaps some opinions from you bros... Does taking ecstasy while on Steroids negatively effect your gains? Is it alright to take ecstasy while on cycle and if not, why?

Talking about recreational drugs on this forum is against the rules. 3 day ban.