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08-18-2007, 01:30 AM
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Unconverted my best friend from christianity!!! hurray!!!
He was a christian. He now says he doesnt believe in christianity but does think their is some sort of creator god....
Good enough for me....!
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08-18-2007, 01:33 AM
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Maybe your "friend" just wanted you to go away? 
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08-18-2007, 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by thirsty4chicken
Maybe your "friend" just wanted you to go away? |
Nah, he stayed for like 3 hours and kept questioning me on why im agnostic.
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08-18-2007, 01:49 AM
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08-18-2007, 02:00 AM
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just from random converstions i have with people about religion i have swayed a lot of my friends beliefs and are now agnostic or atheist. only one person in my close circle of friends is christian.
good for you!! reps brother
you gunna be at black mass next thursday?
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08-18-2007, 02:03 AM
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Negging Rep Beggars....
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Omg. You're Teh Devil!
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08-18-2007, 05:39 AM
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he's gonna be pissed at you if he finds out that christianity is right when he dies.
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08-18-2007, 05:40 AM
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So?
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08-18-2007, 05:41 AM
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Negging Rep Beggars....
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Atheism (and reason) ftw!
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08-18-2007, 07:07 AM
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A lot of people turn away from Christianity because they see the flaws and are unable to prove everything within the Bible is from God Almighty. The fact that others have put words into the mouth of Jesus pbuh and created trinity, resurrection etca has not helped matters either.
There's a God out there and he sees and knows all. By all means don't follow a religion as there is no compulsion. Do good deeds and look after your neighbour, don't make mischief and treat people as you would want to be treated. If you are happy to do the above then really you should feel no need to convert people away from any religion as they are all based on peace and understanding.
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08-18-2007, 07:10 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by agno
He was a christian. He now says he doesnt believe in christianity but does think their is some sort of creator god....
Good enough for me....!
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LOL
Go check him out again.
I converted him back and raised his power level to 20.
Lets see you beat that you atheist dark elf.
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08-18-2007, 07:11 AM
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Negging Rep Beggars....
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ibrar786
A lot of people turn away from Christianity because they see the flaws and are unable to prove everything within the Bible is from God Almighty. The fact that others have put words into the mouth of Jesus pbuh and created trinity, resurrection etca has not helped matters either.
There's a God out there and he sees and knows all. By all means don't follow a religion as there is no compulsion. Do good deeds and look after your neighbour, don't make mischief and treat people as you would want to be treated. If you are happy to do the above then really you should feel no need to convert people away from any religion as they are all based on peace and understanding.
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And then, according to every Abrahamic religion, an insecure whining psychopathic bully of a god sends them to hell....
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08-18-2007, 07:16 AM
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atheist ftw!
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08-18-2007, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by eehee
he's gonna be pissed at you if he finds out that christianity is right when he dies.
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I LOLd.
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08-18-2007, 11:26 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by agno
He was a christian. He now says he doesnt believe in christianity but does think their is some sort of creator god....
Good enough for me....!
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Just curious, why does it matter quite so much to you that anyone else has to share your beliefs? Is that something you have ever pondered upon?
Why should it be good enough for you? Why should your friend (who presumably you liked before his loss of faith) need to change in order to facilitate your beliefs?
Apparently it is people of faith who are intolerant, yet, time and again...it is people without Faith who display an aggressive intolerance to people having faith.
Have you ever pondered upon this fascinating little puzzle? 
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08-18-2007, 11:43 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by asiya-sparkles
Just curious, why does it matter quite so much to you that anyone else has to share your beliefs? Is that something you have ever pondered upon?
Why should it be good enough for you? Why should your friend (who presumably you liked before his loss of faith) need to change in order to facilitate your beliefs?
Apparently it is people of faith who are intolerant, yet, time and again...it is people without Faith who display an aggressive intolerance to people having faith.
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I have made it very clear that i am intolerant of religion.
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08-18-2007, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by agno
I have made it very clear that i am intolerant of religion.
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ok, but how is your aggressive stance a more benficial and healthy lifestyle? It seems your unbelief gives you a 'desire' to remove something precious to others? If you can't have it, they shouldn't either. They must be like you.
I find that attitude 'extreme' to be honest!
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اشهد ان لا الله الا الله وان محمد رسول الله
... He is Allah, the One! Allah, the eternally Besought of all! He begetteth not nor was begotten. And there is none comparable unto Him. [Q112]
"The matter is confusing to you. The truth is not known through the actions of men. Rather, know the truth, and you will know its people" - Imam Ali (ra)
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08-18-2007, 11:56 AM
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What kind of douche would proactively go out and unconvert their friends from their religions?
Atheism FTW!
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08-18-2007, 12:04 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ibrar786
A lot of people turn away from Christianity because they see the flaws and are unable to prove everything within the Bible is from God Almighty. The fact that others have put words into the mouth of Jesus pbuh and created trinity, resurrection etca has not helped matters either.
There's a God out there and he sees and knows all. By all means don't follow a religion as there is no compulsion. Do good deeds and look after your neighbour, don't make mischief and treat people as you would want to be treated. If you are happy to do the above then really you should feel no need to convert people away from any religion as they are all based on peace and understanding.
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08-18-2007, 12:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by eehee
he's gonna be pissed at you if he finds out that christianity is right when he dies.
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Originally Posted by TwiloMike
I LOLd.
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08-18-2007, 12:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by asiya-sparkles
Just curious, why does it matter quite so much to you that anyone else has to share your beliefs? Is that something you have ever pondered upon?
Why should it be good enough for you? Why should your friend (who presumably you liked before his loss of faith) need to change in order to facilitate your beliefs?
Apparently it is people of faith who are intolerant, yet, time and again...it is people without Faith who display an aggressive intolerance to people having faith.
Have you ever pondered upon this fascinating little puzzle? |
Would you like your close friends to believe in the Easter Bunny? To believe that the Earth is flat and the sun revolves around the Earth? To believe that babies come from the stork?!
Obviously you want your friends to perceive the universe truthfully, not with the horrible slant imposed by a series of intricate lies.
If you can perceive the universe for what it really is, you have a better grasp on reality, possibly a better ability to function in that environment.
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08-18-2007, 01:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Absolute0
Would you like your close friends to believe in the Easter Bunny? To believe that the Earth is flat and the sun revolves around the Earth? To believe that babies come from the stork?!
Obviously you want your friends to perceive the universe truthfully, not with the horrible slant imposed by a series of intricate lies.
If you can perceive the universe for what it really is, you have a better grasp on reality, possibly a better ability to function in that environment.
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I have to say it is universally acknowledged that there is no such thing as the Easter bunny...and we have indeed established that the earth is not flat...though I doubt most people would be aware or care about that fact even today if it wasn't taught them (many peeps still don't very far...travel  inwardly or by physical means)
Intricate lies according to whom? Science has proven that it often gets 'it' wrong, and has to revise the knowledge it imparts to the world. And, it has been unable to disprove the existence of God there is as much science to back up the truth that God exists, as there are to theories to say it cannot be...not how, why, proof based...just theoretically, whereas many people have genuinely experienced Faith, do have their own personal experience of God through divine intervention and the answer of prayers. Because science cannot discredit such things, it dismisses them as irrelevant or places a 'theory' (not fact) to counteract God's existence.
So, whereas you perceieve there is NO God to be the truth, believers perceieve that God is our Creator and recognise it to be the truth.
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اشهد ان لا الله الا الله وان محمد رسول الله
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08-18-2007, 01:15 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by asiya-sparkles
And, it has been unable to disprove the existence of God there is as much science to back up the truth that God exists
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Care to post this science?
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08-18-2007, 01:15 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by agno
He was a christian. He now says he doesnt believe in christianity but does think their is some sort of creator god....
Good enough for me....!
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Sounds like he's still very much a theist.
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08-18-2007, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Calhexas
Sounds like he's still very much a theist.
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But atleast he's not a Christian.
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08-18-2007, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Calhexas
Sounds like he's still very much a theist.
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I guess you could also call him a deist, but we don't have enough information to know one way or the other.
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08-18-2007, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by JAGERBOY
Care to post this science?
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Lol. I love when uneducated people say science proves god exist, yet they have no education in the sciences.
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08-18-2007, 01:39 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JAGERBOY
But atleast he's not a Christian.
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Or an atheist!
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08-18-2007, 02:24 PM
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It would be better that you tie a millstone around your neck and be thrown into the ocean than to cause even one of God's children to stumble. ...
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So. What do you want and not want. He believes in God still, and did then before you "converted" him.
A Christian is a follower of CHrist. Christ was the greatest teacher, and a Christian is a student, and one who stidues and follows Christ. So he doesnt do that anymore, but still believes in God?
Or to be more precise, he believes theres a God, doesnt beleive the bible though?
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