Trainer, Yes to Deca No to TestE

[eEliminatoR]

Hello

I told my trainer i want to do this for my =first cycle= :
Compounds:
Test enanthate or cypionate
Dbol
Clomid
Nolva

Structure:
1-10 500mg/week testosterone
1-4 35mg/day dbol
12-14 clomid 150mg/day
15-16 clomid 50mg/day
12-16 nolvadex 40mg/day

as i know teste is better for begginer .

but he told me teste is denguerus for you, it will destroy your natural test and it will reduce it forever

and he told me its better to start Deca

so do you think he tell me the truth

can i use deca and dbol insted of teste


thanks alot

[pk16]

Hes a moron. Deca will shut you down a hell of alot more then testosterone.

Your structure looks good.

[ryanthestark]

Originally Posted by eEliminatoR

Hello



Structure:
1-10 500mg/week testosterone
1-4 35mg/day dbol
12-14 clomid 150mg/day
15-16 clomid 50mg/day
12-16 nolvadex 40/40/20/20mg/day

or

1-10 500mg/week testosterone
1-4 35mg/day dbol
12-16 nolvadex 40/40/20/20mg/day

fixed that for ya, and ur trainers a dumbas s

[_Bladen_]

Get a new trainer lmao. Deca is FAR more suppresive than just test.

[bubba289]

yes your trainer is a dumbfuk! i wouldnt trust a trainer to tell me the correct time of day much less what cycle to use, get with the program.....

[SA12]

Running Deca alone... Say goodbye to using your old boy for anything other than the toilet for a long while.

[eEliminatoR]

thanks alot for fast answering brothers ,I got some self-confidence


ok I want to do only one cycle in my life(I think) to boost my gain
then I will stick with creatine whey protien and foods
in your experience can i gain muscles again,and do my test will return to 100% natural or i will have to shot it for ever?

[_Bladen_]

Once you step into the darkside You won't ever leave. The benefits to health and your physique are amazing.

[5x10]

i agree with him

deca is more mild than test, less androgenic

maybe run 100-200mgs of test, but my brother did just fine at 300mgs a week of deca only

his libido was greater than normal

[_Bladen_]

Originally Posted by 5x10

i agree with him

deca is more mild than test, less androgenic

maybe run 100-200mgs of test, but my brother did just fine at 300mgs a week of deca only

his libido was greater than normal

The trainer is telling not to use any test... Like your saying you need at least a baseline test of 100-200mgs of test p/w. So I wouldn't agree with him at all, but what your saying is correct.

[AFstud066]

You should run deca and test.....followed with your PCT

[5x10]

Originally Posted by _Bladen_

The trainer is telling not to use any test... Like your saying you need at least a baseline test of 100-200mgs of test p/w. So I wouldn't agree with him at all, but what your saying is correct.

i would like to hear more from people that have run deca only cycles
i think its stigma of killing the libido preceeds the drug

[_Bladen_]

Originally Posted by 5x10

i would like to hear more from people that have run deca only cycles
i think its stigma of killing the libido preceeds the drug

With a baseline test like you were saying your not going to get the health problems, sure it may take longer to get erections but not a big difference...

Love NPP and deca, but you just have to have that lil' bit of test at least.

[raysmith]

Originally Posted by eEliminatoR

Hello

I told my trainer i want to do this for my =first cycle= :
Compounds:
Test enanthate or cypionate
Dbol
Clomid
Nolva

Structure:
1-10 500mg/week testosterone
1-4 35mg/day dbol
12-14 clomid 150mg/day
15-16 clomid 50mg/day
12-16 nolvadex 40mg/day

as i know teste is better for begginer .

but he told me teste is denguerus for you, it will destroy your natural test and it will reduce it forever

and he told me its better to start Deca

so do you think he tell me the truth

can i use deca and dbol insted of teste


thanks alot

Deca will destroy your natural test. As for your trainer, firing squad.

[raysmith]

Originally Posted by _Bladen_

With a baseline test like you were saying your not going to get the health problems, sure it may take longer to get erections but not a big difference...

Love NPP and deca, but you just have to have that lil' bit of test at least.

I ran out of prop and I am using my other bottle of tren ace.

So I am running 250mg of test e for 3 weeks along with 3 weeks of tren ace....

Aint I intelligent.

[_Bladen_]

Originally Posted by raysmith

As for your trainer, firing squad.

lol I can just see it now on the news...


"Trainer pelted to death by dumbells"

[5x10]

Originally Posted by raysmith

Deca will destroy your natural test. As for your trainer, firing squad.

any AAS will destroy you natural test
IMO, what would supress your own test more, than the exact same chemical your body makes?

[_Bladen_]

Originally Posted by 5x10

any AAS will destroy you natural test
IMO, what would supress your own test more, than the exact same chemical your body makes?

Tren then Deca then I think it was either masteron or test in order of suppresiveness...

[eEliminatoR]

for firing squat
lol we will just put his head under the smith machine..

Once you step into the darkside You won't ever leave

i think this will happen



just confused for 2nd question can i gain muscle gain after i will stop the cycle ,,and do my natural test will return 100%?

[raysmith]

Originally Posted by 5x10

any AAS will destroy you natural test
IMO, what would supress your own test more, than the exact same chemical your body makes?

19-nors.

they shut down harder.

[raysmith]

Originally Posted by _Bladen_

Tren then Deca then I think it was either masteron or test in order of suppresiveness...

masteron? I never knew that was in the same ball game.

[raysmith]

Originally Posted by eEliminatoR

for firing squat
lol we will just put his head under the smith machine..



i think this will happen



just confused for 2nd question can i gain muscle gain after i will stop the cycle ,,and do my natural test will return 100%?

No one can say 100% they will return fully. With proper pct i.e nolva and clomid they should. Blood work will tell.

[GrokTheCube]

I agree with what others have said.

If you're at all concerned, run an AI throughout, and cycle HCG in towards the end.

Test E jumpstarted with DBol is THE beginner cycle.

A LOT of people, even trainers don't know squat about AAS. Most of what they know is through hear-say. My sister asked me the other day if steroids make your head grow....

I can understand where she got it, but HGH is just one chemical.

[LiftNbig3]

Originally Posted by _Bladen_

Once you step into the darkside You won't ever leave. The benefits to health and your physique are amazing.

That is the truth, I was set on one cycle but after I felt it. I am hooked

[raysmith]

Originally Posted by CharlesV

I agree with what others have said.

If you're at all concerned, run an AI throughout, and cycle HCG in towards the end.

Test E jumpstarted with DBol is THE beginner cycle.

A LOT of people, even trainers don't know squat about AAS. Most of what they know is through hear-say. My sister asked me the other day if steroids make your head grow....

I can understand where she got it, but HGH is just one chemical.

most of these trainers dont know squat about how to train in the first place.

[All In Wait]

Originally Posted by eEliminatoR

ok I want to do only one cycle in my life(I think)

HAHA I am on First Cycle and have already planned my next 2.......LOL

[PUMP2356]

Originally Posted by 5x10

i would like to hear more from people that have run deca only cycles
i think its stigma of killing the libido preceeds the drug

Deca Durabolin isn't as bad as people make it out to be, from those who I talked to who used it, it seems to be that they had no loss of libido, depression, etc.
They also eased into it with only 200mg, and don't go over 400mg for more than 8-10 weeks. All the guys in the 70's were using the dianabol/deca stack and were fine, well except for two brothers...which I think arnold was the cause to one of them.

I don't feel deca durabolin alone is that effective in its own right, but stacked with a strong androgen like testosterone or dianabol, it really works its magic.