Casein vs. Whey: Post-Training

Maki_Man · 02-21-2005, 11:38 AM

This study was published recently (12/04). For anyone interested, here's the link: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q..._uids=15570142

Essentially, the researchers concluded that 20g of either casein or whey post-training resulted in "similar increases in muscle protein net balance, resulting in net muscle protein synthesis..."

Happy reading.

bofeity · 02-21-2005, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Maki_Man

This study was published recently (12/04). For anyone interested, here's the link: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q..._uids=15570142

Essentially, the researchers concluded that 20g of either casein or whey post-training resulted in "similar increases in muscle protein net balance, resulting in net muscle protein synthesis..."

Happy reading.

It basically says that ingesting both casein and why is best.. eh?

**str8flexed** · 02-21-2005, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Maki_Man

This study was published recently (12/04). For anyone interested, here's the link: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q..._uids=15570142

Essentially, the researchers concluded that 20g of either casein or whey post-training resulted in "similar increases in muscle protein net balance, resulting in net muscle protein synthesis..."

Happy reading.

the preworkout diets were not standardized. I imagine if they were you would see quite a bit of difference. In fasted people who ingest these casien or whey after a workout there is quite a significant difference

Maki_Man · 02-21-2005, 12:28 PM

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In fasted people who ingest these casien or whey after a workout there is quite a significant difference

Str8flexed, can you point me in the right direction? I'd like to take a look at the study. Thanks a lot.

**str8flexed** · 02-21-2005, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Maki_Man

Str8flexed, can you point me in the right direction? I'd like to take a look at the study. Thanks a lot.

I'll see if i can't find it

Maki_Man · 02-21-2005, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by str8flexed

I'll see if i can't find it

Cool. Thanks.

tonynigel · 02-23-2005, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by str8flexed

the preworkout diets were not standardized. I imagine if they were you would see quite a bit of difference. In fasted people who ingest these casien or whey after a workout there is quite a significant difference

could you explain what you mean? what would the difference be? what types of pre-workout meal would have illicited what response? if pre-workout was variable and the results were comparable for both whey and caesin then what does this show....? it says to me it doesn't matter as long as you have some kind of protein before hand and some kind after.

surely the fasted scenario is useless anyway - as it is certainly unadvisable to train that way - and that in 90% of situations people will have some kind of food or something in there gut that will affect protein sythesis?

pu12en12g · 02-23-2005, 07:39 AM

This is another thread where we need to concentrate on the big-picture and not a magic "window" of opportunity.

**str8flexed** · 02-23-2005, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by tonynigel

could you explain what you mean? what would the difference be? what types of pre-workout meal would have illicited what response? if pre-workout was variable and the results were comparable for both whey and caesin then what does this show....? it says to me it doesn't matter as long as you have some kind of protein before hand and some kind after.

surely the fasted scenario is useless anyway - as it is certainly unadvisable to train that way - and that in 90% of situations people will have some kind of food or something in there gut that will affect protein sythesis?

they need to standardize the preworkout, and probably the entire days meals. Meaning they should all be eating the same kcals/kg the same amount of nitrogen per kg, etc. If not than the findings may be screwed by the pre workout milleau.

-Layne

tonynigel · 02-23-2005, 08:44 AM

So does that mean that what you eat post workout is useless, unless you have got the pre-workout exactly right? Or rather, all claims about effectiveness of whey protein hinge on what you've consumed already that day - otherwise it comes out with pretty much the same result....

so what needs to established is the right kind of pre-workout meal that will facilitate the effectiveness of having whey protein post workout

**str8flexed** · 02-23-2005, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by tonynigel

So does that mean that what you eat post workout is useless, unless you have got the pre-workout exactly right? Or rather, all claims about effectiveness of whey protein hinge on what you've consumed already that day - otherwise it comes out with pretty much the same result....

so what needs to established is the right kind of pre-workout meal that will facilitate the effectiveness of having whey protein post workout

no, stop overthinking it

pu12en12g · 02-23-2005, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by tonynigel

So does that mean that what you eat post workout is useless, unless you have got the pre-workout exactly right? Or rather, all claims about effectiveness of whey protein hinge on what you've consumed already that day - otherwise it comes out with pretty much the same result....

so what needs to established is the right kind of pre-workout meal that will facilitate the effectiveness of having whey protein post workout

I think ALAN says it pretty well:

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POSTWORKOUT

This is mistakenly viewed as the most important meal of the day, which is BS. why? because if you're not properly fueled prior to this point, your workout will suck. thus, it's equally important in the large scheme of things.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=272067

gene_simmons · 02-23-2005, 10:13 AM

ok whey is "whey" superior to casine protein post work out, whey is absorbed into the blood stream in like 40 min casine is supposed to last the whole night and is slowly absorbed. Also p12e12g or what ever your name is why would you boycott gnc, gnc is a great supplier of whey

burke · 05-27-2008, 02:31 PM

Sorry to dig up this old thread but I am looking for some answers. Basically I am cutting and I work 7 hour shifts at my job at which I am only allowed 1 break. I want to buy casein because I know it is better throughout the day, HOWEVER I really don't want to spend the money on Casein AND Whey or one of these fancy blends. Question is if my diet is on point (including PREWO) would having a scoop of casein PWO really make all that big a difference as opposed to having whey PWO?

DriverDan · 05-27-2008, 04:15 PM

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Sorry to dig up this old thread but I am looking for some answers. Basically I am cutting and I work 7 hour shifts at my job at which I am only allowed 1 break. I want to buy casein because I know it is better throughout the day, HOWEVER I really don't want to spend the money on Casein AND Whey or one of these fancy blends. Question is if my diet is on point (including PREWO) would having a scoop of casein PWO really make all that big a difference as opposed to having whey PWO?

The solution is milk protein isolate (MPI). It's 80% casein and costs the same as WPI.

Phosphate bond · 05-27-2008, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by str8flexed

they need to standardize the preworkout, and probably the entire days meals. Meaning they should all be eating the same kcals/kg the same amount of nitrogen per kg, etc. If not than the findings may be screwed by the pre workout milleau.

-Layne

That is true because the day's meals could affect insulin levels and lipolysis if the people were in any kind of "trained state".

Use of free fatty acids in this post-workout window is energy sparing and this indirectly affects protein synthesis.