Tren Xtreme PCT CONFUSION!(serious)lots of reps for serious answers

[MikePLATNUM]

I'm on day 9 of tren xtreme+mass xtreme. I have been told a lot of things about PCT. Some people tell me I need estro blockers(estro xtreme, nolvadex)..others tell me i need cabergoline. I have gyno naturally a little and I can already see that the gyno is expanding. I need to order something ASAP but I dont know what. PLEASE HELP!!

[benzev]

what the hell is tren xtreme, mass xtreme??

[texaslifter06]

You will be fine, get some nolva and some clomid, there are stickies about how to use them. They should help. You could also start taking some 6oxo if your incredibly worried about this but the nolva and clomid should work fine. What does your PCT that you were planning on look like?

[MikePLATNUM]

well. i have rebound reloaded in my closet now..
White Button Mushroom Extract, Flax Eeed Oil Powder, 6-Bromotase, (6-Bromo-3, 17-dioxoetlioallocholane)

i was going to take that tonight untill the end of my cycle and then get on nolvadex..but now im hearing 'DO NOT USE NOLVA- this will more likely than not WORSEN your condition since those are progestinic designer steroids. '

i really dont know what to do but im concerned about the gyno

[texaslifter06]

Nolva will actually help the gyno, they prescribe it to people with gyno for that use specifically, I definetly recommend you pick some up. Any cycle you were on that shut your Test down requires that during PCT you restart your natural production.

[FatnBald]

Originally Posted by texaslifter06

Nolva will actually help the gyno, they prescribe it to people with gyno for that use specifically, I definetly recommend you pick some up. Any cycle you were on that shut your Test down requires that during PCT you restart your natural production.

You need to look at what kind of steroid the OP is using before just spitting out advice. Nolva will likely not make the OP's gyno worse and will help test levels come back during PCT, but cabergoline is the appropriate drug for treating gyno caused by tren extreme during his cycle. If the gyno is being caused by mass extreme however, you need nolva during the cycle as well. So, the safest bet is to take both during the cycle, then use nolva and/or clomid for PCT.

That being said, the above advice is assuming tren extreme is a progestin. I'm not overly familiar with the drug. Someone correct me please if I'm missing something.

[MikePLATNUM]

should i start taking the rebound reloaded untill i get the other stuff in the mail or is there no point??

[BreakingPoint8]

You should of had all your support supplements/PCT ready to go before even starting your cycle.

[MikePLATNUM]

i know but im a f'n moron

[BreakingPoint8]

Lol just don't let it happen again my friend. You'll be fine I'm sure.

[MikePLATNUM]

is that all the advice i get? lol

[BreakingPoint8]

6-OXO is probably your best temporary solution til you get your hands on Nolva.

[Kraftydog]

mass xtreme and tren xtreme are both progestins. Nolva should not be used with or after these compounds. Since niether of these compounds is supposed to aromatize, the use of an AI is probably not going to be all that helpful.

cabergoline, cabaser specifically, is the best known choice for dealing with gyno from progestins.

From what I have seen even the AX guys are now reccomending cabergoline for gyno clomid for PCT, instead of nolva. I am guessing this is probably becuase of the number of people that got gyno from superdrol and pheraplex or got it post cycle when they used nolva.

[MikePLATNUM]

but will the fact that i have gyno naturally have any affect on this?

[Kraftydog]

Its troubling reading these threads, because it seems like people do not understand the actions of the compounds that they are reccomending. Aromatase inhibitors inhibit the aromatase enzyme, if you are suppressing the HPGA and using compounds that do not aromatize they are not exactly going to be beneficial.

Tamoxifen is a SERM, one of its known activities is to upregulate the expression of the Progesterone receptor.

Clomid is a SERM, not really suitable for gyno treatment but at least it does not upregulate the progesterone receptor. It is effective for PCT.

[Kraftydog]

Originally Posted by MikePLATNUM

but will the fact that i have gyno naturally have any affect on this?

it just means that there is tissue there already. Obviously once you have a "gyno" platform making it worse is a lot easier than "getting started" from scratch. Basically if you already have gyno, you need to be more careful and picky about what compounds you use.

[MikePLATNUM]

what dosage of cabergoline should i use? .5 3 times a week? for how long??

[Kraftydog]

Originally Posted by MikePLATNUM

what dosage of cabergoline should i use? .5 3 times a week? for how long??

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start with .5mg for the first 2-4 days then go to .5mg EOD. Use it until your condition resolves.

[know_power]

if it is prog gyno caber or bromo is your best bet. im not sure if it makes a difference but, a really really smart SOB told me to rid yourself of gyno take 40mg ED of epistane/aromasin for 4 weeks.. Im not sure if it will work on prog induced gyno.

hope this helps

[MikePLATNUM]

i was also told to take letrozole instead of clomide??

[know_power]

Originally Posted by MikePLATNUM

i was also told to take letrozole instead of clomide??

for what, to rid yourself of gyno?

[MikePLATNUM]

Gyno!!!

[Lightning3]

nolva is going to be needed to bring your test levels back to normal after the cycle but won't do anything for the tren related gyno, the gyno specifically will need to be taken care of by cabergoline.