fruit vs fruit juice

[djansen]

ok, for my pre workout 30 min before i have some whey and a piece of fruit (around 40 grams of carbs) like a banana. sometimes my stomach does not handle whole fruits very well. I want to try papaya but its like $4 a fruit where i live! i did find papaya juice however, would it be ok to have papaya juice instead of a whole fruit pre workout? some people say juice is to many carbs and spikes insulin and prevents fat burning and what not but isnt 40 grams of carbs 40 grams of carbs? and since it is no sugar added isnt it the same thing? there is also two grams of fiber in the juice and probably more in the fruit but does that really matter?
Thanks

[in10city]

Originally Posted by djansen

ok, for my pre workout 30 min before i have some whey and a piece of fruit (around 40 grams of carbs) like a banana. sometimes my stomach does not handle whole fruits very well. I want to try papaya but its like $4 a fruit where i live! i did find papaya juice however, would it be ok to have papaya juice instead of a whole fruit pre workout? some people say juice is to many carbs and spikes insulin and prevents fat burning and what not but isnt 40 grams of carbs 40 grams of carbs? and since it is no sugar added isnt it the same thing? there is also two grams of fiber in the juice and probably more in the fruit but does that really matter?
Thanks

How long before your pre-drink is your last meal?

The liquid will most likely hit you faster than solid food will ... sugar carbs are not the same as suagr carbs with fat and/or fiber ... I'd be in the bathroom quickly with all that liquid, and then I would crash from the sugar ... You should try it to see how it works for you.

[=T Bone=]

Originally Posted by djansen

ok, for my pre workout 30 min before i have some whey and a piece of fruit (around 40 grams of carbs) like a banana. sometimes my stomach does not handle whole fruits very well. I want to try papaya but its like $4 a fruit where i live! i did find papaya juice however, would it be ok to have papaya juice instead of a whole fruit pre workout? some people say juice is to many carbs and spikes insulin and prevents fat burning and what not but isnt 40 grams of carbs 40 grams of carbs? and since it is no sugar added isnt it the same thing? there is also two grams of fiber in the juice and probably more in the fruit but does that really matter?
Thanks

The fruit juice would be fine just try not to drink any with HFC'S.High fructose corn syrup.The stuffs horrible for you,that's what they put in soft drinks.Try getting some complexed carbs before your workout instead of fatty sugar ones and also eat banana and drink some O juice,that should be good.

[djansen]

Originally Posted by in10city

How long before your pre-drink is your last meal?

The liquid will most likely hit you faster than solid food will ... sugar carbs are not the same as suagr carbs with fat and/or fiber ... I'd be in the bathroom quickly with all that liquid, and then I would crash from the sugar ... You should try it to see how it works for you.

I have a solid food meal of turkey, eggs and about 60 grams of carbs from oats 2-2.5 hours before i lift.

[Rex914]

Slightly on topic here, but when you buy the fresh OJ, there's usually the kind with pulp and the type without it. Would the type with pulp hit you slower because the pulp slows things down?

- Jon

[in10city]

Originally Posted by djansen

I have a solid food meal of turkey, eggs and about 60 grams of carbs from oats 2-2.5 hours before i lift.

How long is your workout and what type of training style/regimen is it? Is there a reason that you want to consume that amount of carbs?

From my own experience in a previous incarnation of myself, if you are training for ~ 1 hour and it consists of low rep straight sets with long rest periods, I bet you could be fine with half the amount of carbs (if any) pre-training.

[The Solution]

stick with a meal pre-workout of a good protein source ( eggs, tuna, or even a protein shake) and complex carbs ( oats, WW bread) and a piece of fruit)

its best for the body to get some good fuel and amino acids before hitting a place wherfe ur going to rip up ur body and use a lot of energy while doing it

[djansen]

Originally Posted by in10city

How long is your workout and what type of training style/regimen is it? Is there a reason that you want to consume that amount of carbs?

From my own experience in a previous incarnation of myself, if you are training for ~ 1 hour and it consists of low rep straight sets with long rest periods, I bet you could be fine with half the amount of carbs (if any) pre-training.

you are probably right, right now i am on the 5x5 intermediate but my one area i need to work on is longer rests, i dont think i rest long enough. (I hate just standing or sitting in the gym!) I take in about 100 or more grams of carbs in the following 1.5 after my workout as well then about 100 or so the last 3 meals including pre bed. Right now i am just over 160 lbs and with all these carbs i still have not made the scale budge much at all. I consume lots of protein, probably 1.5 x my bodyweight or more. and fats in all meals accept around workouts. I am pretty active though, on lifting days i mow lawns the rest of the day mostly with a walk behind mower and off days i work at an appliace store moving appliances and matresses.

[in10city]

Originally Posted by djansen

you are probably right, right now i am on the 5x5 intermediate but my one area i need to work on is longer rests, i dont think i rest long enough. (I hate just standing or sitting in the gym!) I take in about 100 or more grams of carbs in the following 1.5 after my workout as well then about 100 or so the last 3 meals including pre bed. Right now i am just over 160 lbs and with all these carbs i still have not made the scale budge much at all. I consume lots of protein, probably 1.5 x my bodyweight or more. and fats in all meals accept around workouts. I am pretty active though, on lifting days i mow lawns the rest of the day mostly with a walk behind mower and off days i work at an appliace store moving appliances and matresses.

Yeah... there's not much glycolysis happening with that type of workout... O/T - I don't know what your previous training history, body type or general muscle fiber make up is, but a 5x5 might not be the most appropriate training protocol for your body (or specific muscle groups) ... won't matter what you eat, there just may not be the right stimulus to induce quality gains ... longer tension times / higher intensity may work better than power-type training ... something to consider ... that reality for me literally hurts ...

[djansen]

Originally Posted by in10city

Yeah... there's not much glycolysis happening with that type of workout... O/T - I don't know what your previous training history, body type or general muscle fiber make up is, but a 5x5 might not be the most appropriate training protocol for your body (or specific muscle groups) ... won't matter what you eat, there just may not be the right stimulus to induce quality gains ... longer tension times / higher intensity may work better than power-type training ... something to consider ... that reality for me literally hurts ...

thanks, what type of training do you reccomend? I am pretty long and lean about 6 ft 160 lbs but my genetics are that even if i gain some weight i hide it really well, i am pretty lean with a little around my waist.
thanks

[damnglass]

try an upper or lower body split doing both twice a week with maybe a cardio day or just training a specific body part you want on the last session of the week.or do what i do,full body workout every 2-3 days depending on joints,muscle sorness and just how my scheduling works,even though i work max 3 times a week the intensity is their and so is the gains.Comming off a 5 day isolation excersise routine worked wonders for me,make sure you do deadlifts,squats,pushups,pullups,and chinups>i do my compound movements in a circuit and end up having to rest my heart alot more then anything,by far best for losing my fat,but i dont incorporate much time for rests.compound movements done properly for you can give you just mass gains if you let yourself rest longer,but im doing a recomp,not just adding muscle.

ps.i neglected abs as it should be done near the end of your program as abs are your core and used in all excersises before hand,especially pushups,usually try and superset pushups with planks to really feel the burn,such as 20 pushups followed by 1 min plank,then 20 more,and another min of planks if you can handle it.