4th day of cycle, shortness of breath

[BigDreams21]

Hey guys, Saturday was my 4th day on my ph cycle. I had a scare late at night as after about 1 hour of sleep I woke up and was feeling short of breath. I also had a slight bit of tightness in my chest and my heart was beating fast. I've read that this can be caused by anxiety, but it is still scary. It kept me up for about 4 hours, and then I was able to get back to sleep. I woke up today and while it isn't as bad, I'm still feeling short of breath. I am having trouble getting my first meal down. I am considering discontinuing my cycle and beginning PCT already, but then again it could just be the anxiety... what should I do? This is scaring me.

I've already posted this in the steroids section and was directed to here because I was told I'd get more help here.. I've already decided to discontinue my cycle. What I'm trying to figure out is if I need to run PCT because it was only 4 days worth of a cycle, and if so, how should I run it?

[skinny buckeye]

4 days? dont think you need pct if only 4 days. wise to stop taking the stuff. were you taking a high dose?

[1987GN]

What were you taking and at what dose?

[Younglifter16]

it does sound like anxiety, what other symptoms are you having?

[iw1]

Originally Posted by 1987GN

What were you taking and at what dose?

yeah,also what support supps are you running?

[BigDreams21]

I was running Ph Design's Pheraplex clone, Pheradrol. 20mg a day. 10mg pre workout, 10mg before bed. I had preloaded 1 weeks worth of AI's Cycle Support and had been taking 2 servings per day on cycle.

[rcm.1982]

what is pct?? u should probably stop taking it...i feel very bad for u...go see a doctor before u get into more trouble

[vazquez]

very smart of you to stop.

bump for some more posts from experienced ph users.

[BigDreams21]

Originally Posted by rcm.1982

what is pct?? u should probably stop taking it...i feel very bad for u...go see a doctor before u get into more trouble

Post Cycle Therapy.

[BigDreams21]

I read somewhere that Hawthorne Berry can cause a shortness of breath when taken in high doses. Maybe this was causing my problem, since I've been taking over 1000mg a day?

[Hammy907]

i would deff. stop taking it if nothing else. I would've move the doses to the AM and preworkout.

[Androgenic]

Actually that sounds more like tachycardia and hypertension. Many oral steroids can do this. The dose may be to high, the steroid (this includes PH/PS) may be something you're particulary sensitive too or just a potent one. You may be predisposed to these pathologies or have an underlying condition. This hypertension. Further still lowering HDL can set you up for a trifecta of not-so-good stuff. You should have done more research. You should have listed these details. You should taken supporting herbs/meds prior to, during and post and known what those are. You should know what not to stack. You should know to start mild for a first cycle (not recommending any cycles, but really this shouldn't need to stated)...

The dyspnea (SOB/shortness of breath) is not a good sign. You may be prone to anxiety and they may be what this is, a contributor or a secondary diagnosis to what's listed above. You are messing with your adrenal response/HPTA/hormonal cascade...which all can impact (again, especially when predisposed) your level of anxiety/rationality.

1. Stop taking it.
2. List what you did, so you can learn more.
3. Learn more. Read more.
4. Go to the doctor if any of this persists after cesaation immediately.
5. Go to the doctor anyway and get a BMP,CBC,Lipid panel done. Get a full physical done and maybe they may wat you to do a stress test, echo, change medication, start different meds (like anxiolytics or anti-depressants, or hypertensive drugs.


What are you taking...all drugs, supps, steroids, etc included.?

Edit: rereading through I saw you list pheraplex. You doing little homework on this on use, safety, supporting supps, sides, etc. is anger-inducing to me. Sometimes I wish the FDA did step in. These decisions often horrify me.
These are drugs. Repeat, these are drugs. Treat them as such.

[BigDreams21]

Originally Posted by Younglifter16

it does sound like anxiety, what other symptoms are you having?

Just a rise in heart rate and trouble breathing, can't sleep when its going on.

[iw1]

first off if your going to continue i'd avoid taking phera prebed heart palpatations aren't unheard of with pp. start taking some extra hawthorneberries for blood pressure. take one in the morning and one 8 - 10 hours latter. this is the gray side were not just taking vitamins here.

[BigDreams21]

Originally Posted by Androgenic

What are you taking...all drugs, supps, steroids, etc included.?

Thank you for your reply.

I was on Pheraplex (20mg ED), fish oil, a multivitamin, whey protein powder, and Anabolic Innovation's Cycle Support, which contains the following:

Red Yeast Rice 1200mg
Silymarin (milk thistle extract) 1000mg
NAC 1200mg
Hawthron Bery 1000mg
Saw Palmetto 300mg
Policosonol 20mg
Celery Seed Extract 150mg
Nettle Root 250mg
Idebenone 100mg

[BigDreams21]

Originally Posted by Hammy907

i would deff. stop taking it if nothing else. I would've move the doses to the AM and preworkout.

The problem with this is that I cannot take a dose in the AM (other than right before bed, like I was taking it) because I work nights. My time to sleep it between 6am - 2pm. So I was waking up, having my first meal, and then 2 hours later having my 2nd meal with my first 10mg, and then going to workout an hour after that. My 2nd dose was 12 hours later after I got off work in the middle of the night.

[BigDreams21]

Originally Posted by Androgenic

Edit: rereading through I saw you list pheraplex. You doing little homework on this on use, safety, supporting supps, sides, etc. is anger-inducing to me. Sometimes I wish the FDA did step in. These decisions often horrify me.
These are drugs. Repeat, these are drugs. Treat them as such.

Once again I definitely appreciate your reply and help but what leads you to believe that I haven't done research, and that I'm not treating these as the potent drugs that they are? I researched ph for over 6 months before beginning my cycle, and had my cycle reviewed by a couple of different boards, all of which gave me the okay.. I don't know what other precautions I should have taken..

[Hammy907]

Originally Posted by heebs99

Once again I definitely appreciate your reply and help but what leads you to believe that I haven't done research, and that I'm not treating these as the potent drugs that they are? I researched ph for over 6 months before beginning my cycle, and had my cycle reviewed by a couple of different boards, all of which gave me the okay.. I don't know what other precautions I should have taken..

sounds like you got your support supps down. You said you were at over 1g of hawthornberry daily. did you also 1 week preload it w/cycle support as well?

[BigDreams21]

Originally Posted by Hammy907

sounds like you got your support supps down. You said you were at over 1g of hawthornberry daily. did you also 1 week preload it w/cycle support as well?

1 week of preload, Yes.

[sXeWarrior]

Originally Posted by rcm.1982

what is pct?? u should probably stop taking it...i feel very bad for u...go see a doctor before u get into more trouble

great intelligence shown on this board :-/

[Hammy907]

Originally Posted by heebs99

1 week of preload, Yes.

You might have been OD'ing on hawthornberry then, 1g is plenty daily and that already in cycle support.

Originally Posted by PotatoEater216

great intelligence shown on this board :-/

lol...didn't want to say it

[iw1]

if angxiaty is a problem you could try tacking 3 tablespoons of inositol 2x's a day that should put you in a cool calm laid back mood.

[BigDreams21]

Originally Posted by Hammy907

You might have been OD'ing on hawthornberry then, 1g is plenty daily and that already in cycle support.

Well I wasn't using any additional Hawthorn Berry on top of whats already in the Cycle Support, which is 1000mg daily. I think it was just some bad reaction to the ph. There have been plenty of reports of shortness of breath on ph's (I found them during my research, and then found more when I experienced my own shortness of breath).

[Androgenic]

Originally Posted by heebs99

Once again I definitely appreciate your reply and help but what leads you to believe that I haven't done research, and that I'm not treating these as the potent drugs that they are? I researched ph for over 6 months before beginning my cycle, and had my cycle reviewed by a couple of different boards, all of which gave me the okay.. I don't know what other precautions I should have taken..

Well, I didn't have all of the information and certainly seemed suspect to ask that question, but not list pertinent data...its like going to the emergency room, stating a symptom and being rushed surgery...it doesn't make sense. Data from lab work, global assesment, etc allows one to ascertain the reason for your symptom...detective work, so to speak.

There is too many young people picking up these "supplements" and going headlong in them. I really have got quite angry at the IDS Mass Tabs thing, which is highly deceptive. Most companies do not care about your health or well-being, beyond protecting themselves from lawsuit. Ironically, speaking out on a company on this board that's supplement gave me permanent liver damage I feel I can speak out on this topic. I am a clinician first and care about the health of those around me. I am compelled to, and bound to. So, I amy come on strong, but no one else does...this stuff scares me, more than it scares those selling it or using it. That's where I am coming from.

Reading your response its not as bad as I assume, again due to this board's typical responses and the lack of information...still many of my steps remain fully valid. You may have an underlying condition that is exacerbated by this drug. Stop and check it out. Please write back here after stoppping about if these symptoms persisting or not.

[BigDreams21]

Originally Posted by Androgenic

Well, I didn't have all of the information and certainly seemed suspect to ask that question, but not list pertinent data...its like going to the emergency room, stating a symptom and being rushed surgery...it doesn't make sense. Data from lab work, global assesment, etc allows one to ascertain the reason for your symptom...detective work, so to speak.

There is too many young people picking up these "supplements" and going headlong in them. I really have got quite angry at the IDS Mass Tabs thing, which is highly deceptive. Most companies do not care about your health or well-being, beyond protecting themselves from lawsuit. Ironically, speaking out on a company on this board that's supplement gave me permanent liver damage I feel I can speak out on this topic. I am a clinician first and care about the health of those around me. I am compelled to, and bound to. So, I amy come on strong, but no one else does...this stuff scares me, more than it scares those selling it or using it. That's where I am coming from.

Reading your response its not as bad as I assume, again due to this board's typical responses and the lack of information...still many of my steps remain fully valid. You may have an underlying condition that is exacerbated by this drug. Stop and check it out. Please write back here after stoppping about if these symptoms persisting or not.

Ok, I will get back to this thread. If I have another troubled-breathing episode like I did last night, I am going straight to the doctor. That aside, hopefully my breathing is back to normal by tomorrow. I do still feel a little short of breath today. My last dose was this mornining at around 4AM, so I am going to give it a little bit of time.

[newequation]

Originally Posted by heebs99

Ok, I will get back to this thread. If I have another troubled-breathing episode like I did last night, I am going straight to the doctor. That aside, hopefully my breathing is back to normal by tomorrow. I do still feel a little short of breath today. My last dose was this mornining at around 4AM, so I am going to give it a little bit of time.

First of all, you should start off your cycle with a 10mg dosage. Secondly, dont take any before or near bedtime.

[BigDreams21]

Originally Posted by newequation

First of all, you should start off your cycle with a 10mg dosage. Secondly, dont take any before or near bedtime.

Ok. I had originally planned to start at 10mg until I read some threads on here saying that starting Pheraplex at 10mg is a waste.. There's so much info on all the different boards, its hard to know for sure what to follow and what is bad advice.

[newequation]

Originally Posted by heebs99

Ok. I had originally planned to start at 10mg until I read some threads on here saying that starting Pheraplex at 10mg is a waste.. There's so much info on all the different boards, its hard to know for sure what to follow and what is bad advice.

I say always start out with the lowest dosage. Pheraplex is no joke, and besides, you never know how youre gonna react to something. Your body needs to get its toes wet first.

[BigDreams21]

Originally Posted by newequation

I say always start out with the lowest dosage. Pheraplex is no joke, and besides, you never know how youre gonna react to something. Your body needs to get its toes wet first.

Cool. Thanks bro. So you think after a couple months if I'm back in normal health, I can try this cycle again? I'll start it at 10mg next time.

[samsam12341]

Not sure what could be happening though. You have never noticed this before? If its the ph, I wouldn't bother returning to it.

Sam