Fruit and cutting

[Haginusmc]

ok.... i read on here constantly about eating fruit. I know its not gonna make you fat or anything, unless you go over your caloric intake. But, every since i started lifting and doing cardio, been about 6 months, I've always had at least 20 pieces of fruit a day. like bananas, apples, pears and anything else i could get my hands on. I always wind up losing more and more weight and looking better, i'm not complaining about this as i love my fruit, but im just wondering as to why it works for me like this. also whenever i take my dump most of the fruit is still visible. so yea I DONT GET IT! any suggestions?

[SDOptimist]

Originally Posted by Haginusmc

ok.... i read on here constantly about eating fruit. I know its not gonna make you fat or anything, unless you go over your caloric intake. But, every since i started lifting and doing cardio, been about 6 months, I've always had at least 20 pieces of fruit a day. like bananas, apples, pears and anything else i could get my hands on. I always wind up losing more and more weight and looking better, i'm not complaining about this as i love my fruit, but im just wondering as to why it works for me like this. also whenever i take my dump most of the fruit is still visible. so yea I DONT GET IT! any suggestions?

well try eating better fruit, like berries. raspberries, blueberries, etc. those are extremely healthy, loaded with anti ox. berries are the best fruits you can eat.

i dont really like eating apples, nothing amazing about them, theres much better fruit out there. bananas are good, great source of potasium and healthy carbs. i dont see anything special about pears either. i would say stick with berries and melons.

[Aindreas]

Originally Posted by SDOptimist

bananas are good, great source of potasium and healthy fats

Fats?

[SDOptimist]

Originally Posted by Aindreas

Fats?

my bad, carbs. its loaded with carbs, almost zilch fat.

[Aindreas]

Originally Posted by SDOptimist

my bad, carbs. its loaded with carbs, almost zilch fat.

I figured that had to be a typo, but I was just making sure I wasn't missing something here...

[SDOptimist]

Originally Posted by Aindreas

I figured that had to be a typo, but I was just making sure I wasn't missing something here...

lol ya, sometimes i get into it and type to fast and then later realize i made some typos lol.

[Jimmyp]

Originally Posted by SDOptimist

i dont really like eating apples, nothing amazing about them

No offense, but very very incorrect. Apples are terrific for your health. "an apple a day keeps the doctor away"..this quote has real merit. Apples are a terrific source of fiber and are packed with vitamins, minerals, phytonutrients and antioxidents.

[IrockZ]

i dont like including fruit in my cut diet, rather eat fiberous veggies instead.. sugar is sugar.. vitamins or not, im not sayin ur gonna get fat if u eat fruit everyday because thats stupid. but u wont be as shredded as u could be because of the sugar..

[domenickb]

Originally Posted by IrockZ

i dont like including fruit in my cut diet, rather eat fiberous veggies instead.. sugar is sugar.. vitamins or not, im not sayin ur gonna get fat if u eat fruit everyday because thats stupid. but u wont be as shredded as u could be because of the sugar..

Sugar is not sugar.

You cannot equate the natural sugar occurring in fruit to the artificial white stuff in packets of the dextrose/maltodextrin some people will shovel into their PWO shakes.

If your diet is in line, fruit is great. It's healthy and tastes good.

[Jimmyp]

As the above poster stated, not all sugar is the same. The fructose from fruit is important when on a cut because it will keep your liver glycogen full. By keeping liver glycogen full, your body will percieve a "fed state" even when your on a cal. defecit.

[garlan5]

Sorta off base Sorta on base here, but what are ya'lls thoughts on frozen berrys/fruits.. i eat the **** out of them. when i buy fresh fruit it always goes to waste. even though i guess i could freeze that too. its just easier to buy those bags from the freezer section of the store

[Jimmyp]

Originally Posted by garlan5

Sorta off base Sorta on base here, but what are ya'lls thoughts on frozen berrys/fruits.. i eat the **** out of them. when i buy fresh fruit it always goes to waste. even though i guess i could freeze that too. its just easier to buy those bags from the freezer section of the store

I'd usually say fresh of anything is best. As far as frozen berries, I think they're picked in the prime of they're ripeness and most of the antioxidents/phytonutrients should still be preserved just fine, eat up!

[MIA72]

Originally Posted by Haginusmc

I've always had at least 20 pieces of fruit a day.?

[gjohnson5]

I'm generally not a big fruit believer because fructose will make anyone fat... I stick with veggies and whole grains. I don't eat fruits on any regular schedule

As far as fruits coming out of you whole , I think your digestion is having issues. I have similar problem with vegetables but I make sure I use cellulase tables to help breakdown of foods,. Pancreatin is another good digestive product which will help break down complex carbs , fat and other foods so you can absorb the nutrients.

You should try betaine hydrochloride to decrease the ph of your stomach and digestive enzymes (like cellulase) to help break down plant materials in your stomach. If you take pepcid ac , tums or tri salts or bicarbonates and a doctor did not advise them , get off them. Low stomach acid could very well be the problem

Also use probiotics so the bacteria in your stomach can also break down materials you can't

You may be losing weight because your food is not being digested and absorbed...

Originally Posted by Haginusmc

ok.... i read on here constantly about eating fruit. I know its not gonna make you fat or anything, unless you go over your caloric intake. But, every since i started lifting and doing cardio, been about 6 months, I've always had at least 20 pieces of fruit a day. like bananas, apples, pears and anything else i could get my hands on. I always wind up losing more and more weight and looking better, i'm not complaining about this as i love my fruit, but im just wondering as to why it works for me like this. also whenever i take my dump most of the fruit is still visible. so yea I DONT GET IT! any suggestions?

[gjohnson5]

fructose is fructose...
I does not matter if it's an orange or a soda.

Dextose = Glucose
Whether it comes from candy , powder or corn is irrelevant

Originally Posted by domenickb

Sugar is not sugar.

You cannot equate the natural sugar occurring in fruit to the artificial white stuff in packets of the dextrose/maltodextrin some people will shovel into their PWO shakes.

If your diet is in line, fruit is great. It's healthy and tastes good.

[Haginusmc]

yup, 20 pieces a day, like the base i was stationed on at the time had a pretty crappy selection of food, but they always had fruit so i'd eating like a salad w/o dressing and like 7 pieces of fruit a meal.

[MIA72]

Well if there was crappy food, I can see why, but normally I'de have 4 or 5 and only between meals.
20/day fark.
ehehehe

[medo30886]

Originally Posted by domenickb

Sugar is not sugar.

You cannot equate the natural sugar occurring in fruit to the artificial white stuff in packets of the dextrose/maltodextrin some people will shovel into their PWO shakes.

If your diet is in line, fruit is great. It's healthy and tastes good.

i agree
wats wrong with fructose (fruit sugar) it got low GI 20 i guess

[fitbodz]

fruit's a tricky one as far as digestion goes. to be digested properly, fruit really needs to be eaten alone, with no other food. if there is other food in the gut, the body concentrates on breaking them down first and fruit gets relegated to "the end of the line". if you eat fruit for dessert after a meal - especially at night - then you've probably experienced the common symptom of gas. this is a product of the fruit fermenting in the gut whilst is waits to be broken down. oranges are especially guilty of this. in fact, the idealist theory is that fruit shouldn't be eaten anytime after 4p.m.

[gountilfailure0]

lol any fruit is good for u each has their own benefit everything should be kept in some type of moderation of course

[EatUnion]

Fruits are awesome during a cut. Why? They're extremely satieting. If you want 30g of carbs, you probably can get it with 3 pieces of Weetbix but that ain't going to keep you satisfied; in fact you might be tempted to eat more than that. But if you got this 30g from 2 apples, you'll be so full you may not even finish those two apples. They're the ultimate appetite suppressant, they taste good, and full of antioxidants. They're good for your metabolism too. Last but not least, they're great sources of energy for your workouts because the natural blend of various sugars in the fruit give you an instant and sustained energy release, and because of the way fruit is, you won't get any insulin crashes. Fruits ftw. Just don't overdo it.

My $0.02

[The Solution]

regardless fruits are full of fiber and anti-oxidents and are nearly what 70-100 cals at the most? what is the big damn deal

and the sugars from fruits are different then what u might get in ur body from a processed cereal or bread

in other words.. eat ur fruit

20 a day might be a lil excessive..

try to shoot for 2-3 pieces starting out and work ur way up if u really feel the need to have more

[Gr3g_Lycan]

Originally Posted by Haginusmc

ok.... i read on here constantly about eating fruit. I know its not gonna make you fat or anything, unless you go over your caloric intake. But, every since i started lifting and doing cardio, been about 6 months, I've always had at least 20 pieces of fruit a day. like bananas, apples, pears and anything else i could get my hands on. I always wind up losing more and more weight and looking better, i'm not complaining about this as i love my fruit, but im just wondering as to why it works for me like this. also whenever i take my dump most of the fruit is still visible. so yea I DONT GET IT! any suggestions?

As long as you get enough protein then dont worry.

My only concern is that fructose is metabolised by the liver, whereas glucose is metabolised by every cell. You are putting more strain on ur liver by having so much fructose. Excess fructose causes fatty liver.
http://hyper.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/45/5/1012
Fructose-Induced Fatty Liver Disease
Hepatic Effects of Blood Pressure and Plasma Triglyceride Reduction

[gjohnson5]

Which is actually one of the problems with ingesting it.

Since it a sugar which does not signal the body to produce insulin, there is no energy crash as any level of consumption. Also fructose does not signal leptin releases or suppress ghrelin release which signals that you are full. Most of the metabolism of fructose is in the liver where it say 3 choices.... Convert to glucose , glycogen or fat... because one can have full glycogen stores fructose can convert to fat even on a caloric defect. Calories are not the issue here.

Originally Posted by medo30886

i agree
wats wrong with fructose (fruit sugar) it got low GI 20 i guess

[El Pena]

Originally Posted by GregT

As long as you get enough protein then dont worry.

My only concern is that fructose is metabolised by the liver, whereas glucose is metabolised by every cell. You are putting more strain on ur liver by having so much fructose. Excess fructose causes fatty liver.
http://hyper.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/45/5/1012
Fructose-Induced Fatty Liver Disease
Hepatic Effects of Blood Pressure and Plasma Triglyceride Reduction

Read the full text not just the abstract, the diet consisted of 60% of cals from fructose, you would have to eat a massive amount of very specific fruits to get 60% of your daily cals from fructose.

[daniel2k4]

Originally Posted by gjohnson5

I'm generally not a big fruit believer because fructose will make anyone fat... I stick with veggies and whole grains. I don't eat fruits on any regular schedule

As far as fruits coming out of you whole , I think your digestion is having issues. I have similar problem with vegetables but I make sure I use cellulase tables to help breakdown of foods,. Pancreatin is another good digestive product which will help break down complex carbs , fat and other foods so you can absorb the nutrients.

You should try betaine hydrochloride to decrease the ph of your stomach and digestive enzymes (like cellulase) to help break down plant materials in your stomach. If you take pepcid ac , tums or tri salts or bicarbonates and a doctor did not advise them , get off them. Low stomach acid could very well be the problem

Also use probiotics so the bacteria in your stomach can also break down materials you can't

You may be losing weight because your food is not being digested and absorbed...

wow, strong mistake.
you don?t have any bacteria (except for H. pillori, wich causes gastritis) in your stomach. the probiotics will fix in your bowel. and they are pretty important, altough they will reduce your bowel?s pH, they don?t have nothing to do with absorption of food.

btw, eat your fruits. there?s nothing wrong with them, they won?t make you fat at all (remember... cal in vs. cal out), they will improve your overall health and keep you satisfied.

[Jimmyp]

gjohnson5...I'm not sure why you're trying to put down fruits here?? Makes absolutely no sense to me, eat your damn fruit.

[gjohnson5]

If you arguing semantics on the meaning of stomach, ok LOL

I should have said intestines. And you should have plenty of Lactobacillus acidophilus (which is bacteria) in there and bifidum (which is also bacteria) in your colon

*edit*
Probiotics are parasites and yes they absorb food you eat secrete other nutrients which you need to suurvive. Look up the word fermentation... There are some foods which you have no ability to digest , thus the second need for probiotics
*edit*

Originally Posted by daniel2k4

wow, strong mistake.
you don?t have any bacteria (except for H. pillori, wich causes gastritis) in your stomach. the probiotics will fix in your bowel. and they are pretty important, altough they will reduce your bowel?s pH, they don?t have nothing to do with absorption of food.

btw, eat your fruits. there?s nothing wrong with them, they won?t make you fat at all (remember... cal in vs. cal out), they will improve your overall health and keep you satisfied.

[gjohnson5]

And by the way , some bacteria is resistant to stomach acid , so I disagree that H. Pylori (learn how to spell pylori) will be the only bacteria in ones stomach

Originally Posted by daniel2k4

wow, strong mistake.
you don?t have any bacteria (except for H. pillori, wich causes gastritis) in your stomach. the probiotics will fix in your bowel. and they are pretty important, altough they will reduce your bowel?s pH, they don?t have nothing to do with absorption of food.

btw, eat your fruits. there?s nothing wrong with them, they won?t make you fat at all (remember... cal in vs. cal out), they will improve your overall health and keep you satisfied.

[plateau_max]

Well you say you're eating 20 pieces of fruit a day and working out so you're losing a lot of weight. The way I see it is you're getting a good deal of antioxidants as well as the best kind of sugar there is to fuel your metabolism. Honestly there are a lot of people who can get fat by eating too much fruit but if your workouts are keeping up with it and you're passing any excess it makes sense that you'd still be improving with your weight loss.

Fruit and oats are my absolute favorite things to have in the morning 'cause not only does it taste good but when it comes to "good carbs" that's what takes the cake.

Also I'm curious, do you get fat easily if you eat unclean food? Or is your metabolism generally high?