Tom Platz... Screw Coleman

[F W Nietszche]

http://www.irongame.com/videos/TomPl...Exhibition.wmv

OMFG... Apparently this was in 92 (this is what I have been told, not 100% through), 10 years after Platz's prime, how many bodybuilders do we know who can do this even now?

[secretpro]

yea platz was amazing...its too bad his HUGE legs dwarfed his also enormous upper body...too bad he couldnt make them match even tho both were enormous.

[flmusclemachine]

Originally Posted by F W Nietszche

http://www.irongame.com/videos/TomPl...Exhibition.wmv

OMFG... Apparently this was in 92 (this is what I have been told, not 100% through), 10 years after Platz's prime, how many bodybuilders do we know who can do this even now?

ronnie coleman can do that he squats 855 for 3 reps thats like putting up 500 for over 30 reps as good as platz was coleman has him and pretty much anybody else in bodybuilding owned in the squat.I've even asked him if he plans on doing the 900 and he said its something thats been on his mind.Now if coleman does 900 forget it no one but him in bodybuilding will hold that record.YEA BUDDAY!!

[deserusan]

What is with you guys and comparing everyone in that past to Ronnie? Accept the fact he is Mr Olympia, which by definition, makes him the best bodybuilder in the world. Furthermore, he has acheived this for the past seven years in a row. I think it hilarious how you novice bodybuilders are such haters and have nothing better to do than compare Ronnie to every bodybuilder in the past. The fact of the matter is he is the best now and might live to be the best ever. Stop living in the past!

[golds123]

WHY u sayin screw ronnie coleman.. u think he cant do that?...go tell platz to go squat 800..."where them challanges at"

[flmusclemachine]

you mean 855 for reps, 800 in his video but shortly after that he did 855 for reps

[Kuda]

That was unfreaking real. What a beast!

[Max Protein]

What makes it all the more insane was how close Platz's legs were together - most people squat with a rather wide stance for the leverage. And how many times did he pause? Twice, but not for very long.
I'm now going to watch and force my training partner to watch it before we train legs.

[Natural Science]

Originally Posted by Max Protein

What makes it all the more insane was how close Platz's legs were together - most people squat with a rather wide stance for the leverage. And how many times did he pause? Twice, but not for very long.
I'm now going to watch and force my training partner to watch it before we train legs.

stance has nothing to do with it. thats his comfortable stance. people with narrow hips tend to squat narrow. thats just his body structure. he would have a harder time putting up that weight that many times with a wide stance i assure you.

dont get me wrong now, i like platz, he has great legs, but thats it. hes one of the most unproportioned bodybuilders ever because his lower body is completely too big for his upper body. some people might think this is pretty cool cuz big wheels are more respected than big guns because they are so grueling to train, but onstage, it looks ridiculous.

and i respect toms candor, but he has NOTHING on coleman in terms of strength. coleman front squatted 585 4 times and didnt even go to failure. platz squatted that 500 with a squat suit too so you can bet he might get that twelve times if hes lucky without it on.

[Max Protein]

Originally Posted by Natural Science

stance has nothing to do with it. thats his comfortable stance. people with narrow hips tend to squat narrow. thats just his body structure. he would have a harder time putting up that weight that many times with a wide stance i assure you.

Actually stance has everything to do with a squat. It's like a bench with a narrow/wide grip. The closer the grip/stance is, the more distance you have to travel, and the less power you are able to generate.
Platz actually used to squat wide, then he says he "taught" himself to squat narrow for more power, and for a better thigh sweep.
As for him only getting more because of the squat suit, that is blasphemous to what he achieved. I swear, 10-set, 15-20 rep squat workouts were not out of the norm for this man when training for contests.

[chad12121]

Nobodys got **** on Platz squats

[Max Protein]

Originally Posted by chad12121

Nobodys got **** on Platz squats

Hell, why did I just type up that long-ass paragraph to prove my point?
This dude just summed it up in one sentence

[Ryo]

Originally Posted by flmusclemachine

ronnie coleman can do that he squats 855 for 3 reps thats like putting up 500 for over 30 reps as good as platz was coleman has him and pretty much anybody else in bodybuilding owned in the squat.I've even asked him if he plans on doing the 900 and he said its something thats been on his mind.Now if coleman does 900 forget it no one but him in bodybuilding will hold that record.YEA BUDDAY!!

Ray Mentzer has squatted 900+ for two reps. This was confirmed by guys who trained in Venice during the eighties.

[Natural Science]

Originally Posted by Max Protein

Actually stance has everything to do with a squat. It's like a bench with a narrow/wide grip. The closer the grip/stance is, the more distance you have to travel, and the less power you are able to generate.
Platz actually used to squat wide, then he says he "taught" himself to squat narrow for more power, and for a better thigh sweep.
As for him only getting more because of the squat suit, that is blasphemous to what he achieved. I swear, 10-set, 15-20 rep squat workouts were not out of the norm for this man when training for contests.

alright dude how is it blasphemous? hes just a man with big legs. what did he achieve? he was a good bodybuilder, but not a GREAT one. he never won a pro show in all the years he competed, or even placed higher than third. i never said he didnt have great legs, but that squat suit made a big difference in the reps performed i promise you that. im not trying to take anything away from him so calm down. im just stating a fact.

[A-man]

lol what exactly is a squat suit? And how would it make you squat more?

oh, and nobody comes close to Coleman

[Ryo]

Originally Posted by A-man

and nobody comes close to Coleman

I just wish he was more charismatic and well spoken like classic BBer's so he could convey a better message to the public about BBing. These guys could gain a lot more respect from the public if they could actually speak correctly.

[fuzzwazser]

Originally Posted by A-man

lol what exactly is a squat suit? And how would it make you squat more?

oh, and nobody comes close to Coleman

Check the powerlifting sticky to see what a squat suit is.
Whoever said platz used one is completely wrong. He was wearing a singlet when he did that and coleman was wearing one when he did his 800.

[Jotun]

Originally Posted by Natural Science

alright dude how is it blasphemous? hes just a man with big legs. what did he achieve? he was a good bodybuilder, but not a GREAT one. he never won a pro show in all the years he competed, or even placed higher than third. i never said he didnt have great legs, but that squat suit made a big difference in the reps performed i promise you that. im not trying to take anything away from him so calm down. im just stating a fact.

Platz won the 1980 Pro Universe, an IFBB contest.

[LatsMakeTheMan]

I'm not sure but Johnny Jackson might be close to Ronnie's strength. If not now, he may be in a few years. He's pretty young, and a lot smaller than Ronnie.

[Epihall]

Originally Posted by flmusclemachine

ronnie coleman can do that he squats 855 for 3 reps thats like putting up 500 for over 30 reps as good as platz was coleman has him and pretty much anybody else in bodybuilding owned in the squat.I've even asked him if he plans on doing the 900 and he said its something thats been on his mind.Now if coleman does 900 forget it no one but him in bodybuilding will hold that record.YEA BUDDAY!!

I'm not going to dispute that Ronnie can put up heavier weight than Platz could in his prime. However, I think it's silly to assume that just because Coleman can do 855 for 3 he can do xxx amount of weight for xxx amount of reps. Without knowing Coleman's muscular or cardiovascular endurance, there's no way to know that he can do any amount of weight for such high reps. For all we know, he may only be able to do 15 reps with 500 and be winded.

[LatsMakeTheMan]

Originally Posted by Epihall

I'm not going to dispute that Ronnie can put up heavier weight than Platz could in his prime. However, I think it's silly to assume that just because Coleman can do 855 for 3 he can do xxx amount of weight for xxx amount of reps. Without knowing Coleman's muscular or cardiovascular endurance, there's no way to know that he can do any amount of weight for such high reps. For all we know, he may only be able to do 15 reps with 500 and be winded.

I agree......I think once you get up into ungodly weights like that, all systems for "this is equal to that" really don't work anymore.

[K9icular]

Originally Posted by Epihall

I'm not going to dispute that Ronnie can put up heavier weight than Platz could in his prime. However, I think it's silly to assume that just because Coleman can do 855 for 3 he can do xxx amount of weight for xxx amount of reps. Without knowing Coleman's muscular or cardiovascular endurance, there's no way to know that he can do any amount of weight for such high reps. For all we know, he may only be able to do 15 reps with 500 and be winded.

Ronnies muscular endurance is very high. He only does the really low reps for vids and photo shoots, and of course every now and then whilst in the offseason. Generally he rarely goes any lower than 12 reps.

K9.

[j.junkie]

K, im a powerlifter and the background to when platz did this is like this. Fred hatfield,also known as dr. squat, who squatted over 1000 pounds when he was 45, and platz and hatield had a squat of, which consisited of a one rep strength test in the squat, and a test for rteps. Hatfield won in the strength part, but platz lilled him in the reps. To say that coleman could squat 495 for 23 is not thinking with ur mind, just ur biased feelings to what u think of him. A squat suit that platz was wearing back then was one of the original squat suits, which really gave nothing on the squat, unlike nowadays with the inzer squat suits which people are getting over 100 pounds on a lift, whether with a double denim titian suit, inzer hardcore suit, or the z suit. As ted arcidi said when he benched 700, the first to do do, hes upset now that he even used the original shirt becaue it just makes the record tainted,because the original gave them nothing in strenght and the new ones is what peoples training methods are based of of. That is the whole point of westsidew training,andwhen oneuses bands,forinstancein the squat,what itdoesisit makes more tension on the top part of the squat, so u get usedto holoding that amount of weight, and the tension obviously decreases on the descent,and that is where the squat suit comes in, because that makes you explode out of thw whole. This is what a squat suit does, and trust me the old suits did crap in terms of this. Plus look at platzs belt, it wasnt tight at all, if he were to have tightened it more he probably would have gotten a few more reps. Also, the wider u go, the more butt and hips one uses in the ssquat, which are must stronger then quad strenght, one of the resons why russians(who squat close) never have the highest squat total. (exception is shane hammond, but w/e). Also, platz was squatting way below parrallel. If coleman actually went that low, which is how deep you would need to go in a usapl or ipf or wpo competiton, then fine. But to say coleman to do what platz did, hed have to do it before u people can say he could kick platzs ass on the squat. Proof-hatfield couldnt in endurance.

[F W Nietszche]

Platz in that is what... about 200 pounds? 220 at most? Ronnie is what offseason... about 320? Don't get me wrong, Ronnie is a champion and is great in his own right, but u have to admire Tom, we have yet to see ROnnie do that many reps.

I don't think his wearing a suit, from what I can see he has a belt on.

And on the topic of proportaions, the last three olympias have had far from ideal proportions, Would you not say that Ronnie and Dorian's waists are to wide, was Lee's upper body to big for his legs? Yes. And yes platz' legs are too big as well but you can't use Ronnie as a defense towards that.

[LatsMakeTheMan]

Just another angle.......I think 23 reps is a lot more mentally demanding than 2 or 3, even if it is with a lighter weight.

Think about it......you've just squatted 500 pounds 10 times....."ok, only 13 more to go......"

[raffiki]

Originally Posted by LatsMakeTheMan

Just another angle.......I think 23 reps is a lot more mentally demanding than 2 or 3, even if it is with a lighter weight.

Think about it......you've just squatted 500 pounds 10 times....."ok, only 13 more to go......"

Dang Skippy!

Platz is really amazing. I have Arnold's Encyclopedia and there are great pics of Platz in there. The guy used to finish his leg workout by biking 20 miles. I think he is one of a kind.

[chad12121]

Another note, look at his face when he is doing it, he is actually enjoying it

[johnnyironboard]

Originally Posted by F W Nietszche

http://www.irongame.com/videos/TomPl...Exhibition.wmv

OMFG... Apparently this was in 92 (this is what I have been told, not 100% through), 10 years after Platz's prime, how many bodybuilders do we know who can do this even now?

Platz is a stud. Coleman is a stud. Nobody denies that- what is your point.

[Epihall]

Originally Posted by K9icular

Ronnies muscular endurance is very high. He only does the really low reps for vids and photo shoots, and of course every now and then whilst in the offseason. Generally he rarely goes any lower than 12 reps.

K9.

What does one of Ronnie's squat workouts consist of as far as weight and reps when he's not doing vids and photo shoots?

[F W Nietszche]

Platz is a freak, he enjoys the pain, I swear if you stab him in the leg with a stake knife, he would thank you and smile.