Send you wife / GF to school!

[badbart]

MEXICO CITY - Once a week after school, a group of girls from well-to-do Mexican families troops to a meticulously kept house in the south of the capital for a class in how to become the perfect wife.

Girls aged 13 to 18 sit eagerly through lessons in cooking, sewing, ironing, dressing, folding napkins, serving a formal dinner and adding feminine flourishes to a home, like a posy of flowers in the bathroom or initials embroidered on the towels.

Such skills, according to teacher Tota Topete, risk becoming a lost art as Mexico's young women join a global trend of focusing on careers rather than housekeeping.

"Now all women want to go out to work, but working an eight-hour day when one is a wife or a mother is just not possible," Topete, a vivacious and impeccably groomed 60-year-old, said after one of her evening classes.

"It means neglecting one's husband. He could start looking elsewhere for affection and that could mean divorce," she warned.

In Mexico, one in three women works outside the home, up from one in five in the 1970s and not including the millions working illegally as domestic helpers or selling street food.

As macho attitudes about women working and Catholic ideals on large families are eroded, women are also having fewer babies.

And yet for the millions of Mexican women eking out a living in grim city slums or dusty rural villages, running a household is more of a hard slog on a tight budget than an art.

In poor communities, girls are whisked out of school at age 10 or 11 to help around the house. They marry young and embark on a lifetime of cooking and cleaning, many also having to put up with philandering husbands.

QUEEN ELIZABETH IS STYLE ICON

But a world away, highlighted hair and trendy clothes labeling them as part of Mexico's small but disproportionately wealthy upper class, Topete's wide-eyed students fire off questions as they watch her mix a carrot cake batter.

"It's important to know all this before you get married. We don't learn it at school," says Jimena Ramirez, 17, who hopes to marry at age 24, once she's completed studies in marketing.

Meanwhile Topete, resplendent in pearls, satin blouse and scarlet apron, has whisked the class from kitchen to dining room for tips on how to serve up and clear away a dinner.

"You must never, ever scrape the plates in front of your guests -- and never pile the plates up with food squashed between them," she says, rolling her eyes with horror.

Her well-manicured disciples study from folders with sections on everything from etiquette and flower arranging to dress sense and color coordination. Students pore over color charts to decide which tones best suit their complexions.

A photograph of Britain's Queen Elizabeth is used as an example of a woman who wears enough jewelry to impress -- but never too much.

"If you are going to see a boy, go dressed in the color that suits you best. Brush your hair. Think earrings, think necklace. You must be well presented," Topete says.

"Not depilating your armpits or legs makes for a horrible sight. And if you wear sandals, please look after your feet."

Toward the end of the year-long course Topete broaches the subject of sex -- a major topic in separate classes she runs for married women whose relationships need sparkling up.

"Sex is a big problem today. The stress of living and working in a big city can inhibit libido," she said.

"I tell them they must do it -- and with passion, even if that means taking a siesta before their husband comes home."

CANDLE-LIT DINNERS

Topete is battling a trend in developed countries where women spending more time in the office than at home. Scare statistics abound showing skills like cooking and child-care dying out as working women relegate such tasks to maids and nannies.

Her quest echoes that of U.S. relationship guru Laura Schlessinger (news - web sites), whose best-selling book "The Proper Care and Feeding of Husbands" smacks of 1950's attitudes. In it she says many marital problems stem from selfish, overly demanding women who treat their husbands more like accessories than priorities.

In Mexico, a 2000 study found women are having two to three children on average, unlike past generations when the government encouraged sprawling families in a misguided bid to boost the economy.

Topete's students say while they want to continue their studies after school and find jobs, they also want to marry and have families. For that, they need domestic skills.

"My mother works. She doesn't have time to show me stuff like this -- but don't print that, she'll kill me," says one girl, as she endeavors to make invisible stitches during a sewing class.

Topete, married for 38 years, quips that a girl will never find a husband if she can't sew. Keeping him is another challenge, she says.

"There must be a balance between being an executive and being a wife," she said. "Prepare a candle-lit dinner and wear something nice. If you keep him happy, then he'll keep you happy."

http://www.nomarriage.com/articlemexico.html

[the rich pimp]

Originally Posted by badbart

MEXICO CITY - Once a week after school, a group of girls from well-to-do Mexican families troops to a meticulously kept house in the south of the capital for a class in how to become the perfect wife.

Girls aged 13 to 18 sit eagerly through lessons in cooking, sewing, ironing, dressing, folding napkins, serving a formal dinner and adding feminine flourishes to a home, like a posy of flowers in the bathroom or initials embroidered on the towels.

Such skills, according to teacher Tota Topete, risk becoming a lost art as Mexico's young women join a global trend of focusing on careers rather than housekeeping.

"Now all women want to go out to work, but working an eight-hour day when one is a wife or a mother is just not possible," Topete, a vivacious and impeccably groomed 60-year-old, said after one of her evening classes.

"It means neglecting one's husband. He could start looking elsewhere for affection and that could mean divorce," she warned.

In Mexico, one in three women works outside the home, up from one in five in the 1970s and not including the millions working illegally as domestic helpers or selling street food.

As macho attitudes about women working and Catholic ideals on large families are eroded, women are also having fewer babies.

And yet for the millions of Mexican women eking out a living in grim city slums or dusty rural villages, running a household is more of a hard slog on a tight budget than an art.

In poor communities, girls are whisked out of school at age 10 or 11 to help around the house. They marry young and embark on a lifetime of cooking and cleaning, many also having to put up with philandering husbands.

QUEEN ELIZABETH IS STYLE ICON

But a world away, highlighted hair and trendy clothes labeling them as part of Mexico's small but disproportionately wealthy upper class, Topete's wide-eyed students fire off questions as they watch her mix a carrot cake batter.

"It's important to know all this before you get married. We don't learn it at school," says Jimena Ramirez, 17, who hopes to marry at age 24, once she's completed studies in marketing.

Meanwhile Topete, resplendent in pearls, satin blouse and scarlet apron, has whisked the class from kitchen to dining room for tips on how to serve up and clear away a dinner.

"You must never, ever scrape the plates in front of your guests -- and never pile the plates up with food squashed between them," she says, rolling her eyes with horror.

Her well-manicured disciples study from folders with sections on everything from etiquette and flower arranging to dress sense and color coordination. Students pore over color charts to decide which tones best suit their complexions.

A photograph of Britain's Queen Elizabeth is used as an example of a woman who wears enough jewelry to impress -- but never too much.

"If you are going to see a boy, go dressed in the color that suits you best. Brush your hair. Think earrings, think necklace. You must be well presented," Topete says.

"Not depilating your armpits or legs makes for a horrible sight. And if you wear sandals, please look after your feet."

Toward the end of the year-long course Topete broaches the subject of sex -- a major topic in separate classes she runs for married women whose relationships need sparkling up.

"Sex is a big problem today. The stress of living and working in a big city can inhibit libido," she said.

"I tell them they must do it -- and with passion, even if that means taking a siesta before their husband comes home."

CANDLE-LIT DINNERS

Topete is battling a trend in developed countries where women spending more time in the office than at home. Scare statistics abound showing skills like cooking and child-care dying out as working women relegate such tasks to maids and nannies.

Her quest echoes that of U.S. relationship guru Laura Schlessinger (news - web sites), whose best-selling book "The Proper Care and Feeding of Husbands" smacks of 1950's attitudes. In it she says many marital problems stem from selfish, overly demanding women who treat their husbands more like accessories than priorities.

In Mexico, a 2000 study found women are having two to three children on average, unlike past generations when the government encouraged sprawling families in a misguided bid to boost the economy.

Topete's students say while they want to continue their studies after school and find jobs, they also want to marry and have families. For that, they need domestic skills.

"My mother works. She doesn't have time to show me stuff like this -- but don't print that, she'll kill me," says one girl, as she endeavors to make invisible stitches during a sewing class.

Topete, married for 38 years, quips that a girl will never find a husband if she can't sew. Keeping him is another challenge, she says.

"There must be a balance between being an executive and being a wife," she said. "Prepare a candle-lit dinner and wear something nice. If you keep him happy, then he'll keep you happy."

http://www.nomarriage.com/articlemexico.html

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[Patrick_Bateman]

Originally Posted by the rich pimp

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lol.

[kramer73]

you REALLY expect anyone to read all that?

[Cosmonaut]

Just read the f*cking article, after all your wife won't know how to do any of those things listed.

[balzizras]

Originally Posted by kramer73

you REALLY expect anyone to read all that?

Jeuus ****ING Christ! 120 sec. of my life.. Gone forever!

So many... big... fancy.. werds!

If you're not to busy: Go read the Federalist papers.

[balzizras]

While you're NOT at it: Go read the "Anti-Federalist Papers". They're frankly much more succinct.

[Big Hype]

That's why Mexicans have better relationships than you Americans. We know that the man must be in control in the relationship, or else it will fall apart. Go into most Mexican households and you will see the man in control of the marriage, or even with couples who aren't married the man is in control. That's how our society works here.

Haha j/k. I know alot of Mexican men who are pussies and can't handle their women. They're called Mexican-Americans. When I was living in L.A. for a while I knew some pussy-whipped essays who couldn't handle their women like we do here. Too busy with their lowriders and Dickies I guess.

[badbart]

Originally Posted by Big Hype

That's why Mexicans have better relationships than you Americans. We know that the man must be in control in the relationship, or else it will fall apart. Go into most Mexican households and you will see the man in control of the marriage, or even with couples who aren't married the man is in control. That's how our society works here.

Haha j/k. I know alot of Mexican men who are pussies and can't handle their women. They're called Mexican-Americans. When I was living in L.A. for a while I knew some pussy-whipped essays who couldn't handle their women like we do here. Too busy with their lowriders and Dickies I guess.

Yep, this gringo has a Colombian woman and their is a huge difference I could never go back to white women again!

[sculli]

Not all American white women are carreer gals. My wife quit her job shortly after we got married and does all the house stuff. She is a soon to be stay at home mom too (in a few weeks). My sister and both of my sister-in-laws are also the same way.

[badbart]

Originally Posted by sculli

Not all American white women are carreer gals. My wife quit her job shortly after we got married and does all the house stuff. She is a soon to be stay at home mom too (in a few weeks). My sister and both of my sister-in-laws are also the same way.

Thats great, you are lucky very hard to find.

[Big Hype]

Originally Posted by badbart

Yep, this gringo has a Colombian woman and their is a huge difference I could never go back to white women again!

White as in from the U.S.? Because if you were to come to Mexico City you would see quite the abundance of white people. ****, alot of the girls I know have natural blonde or red hair and blue/green eyes. Scary ****!

[badbart]

Originally Posted by Big Hype

White as in from the U.S.? Because if you were to come to Mexico City you would see quite the abundance of white people. ****, alot of the girls I know have natural blonde or red hair and blue/green eyes. Scary ****!

Yes I mean American chick. In Colombia their were white looking people but they all knew I was a gringo just by looking at me, and I have no idea why.

[Big Hype]

Originally Posted by badbart

Thats great, you are lucky very hard to find.

Well, I think it comes down to you being the man that she acknowledges as dominant. Any woman will "bow down" (not literally) to a man that is in control. The thing is with American raised women is that they kind of don't have this femininity instilled in their brains as women from other countries do, and they kind of are stronger willed and have a drive to push for independence. I think it has to do with the feminist movement that hit the U.S. very hard during WWII and post-war America. Not that it isn't admirable that a woman does things for herself and has a career and is very successful, but the sexual attractiveness is just lost on many women because the traits they possess when they do reach this status are quite masculine and not attractive. I mean, those traits are respectable, but for us guys, we don't necessarily have to respect a woman to be attracted to her. That's a woman thing. Women are the ones who are attracted to someone they respect, not the other way around.

It all comes down to women in other countries being raised to be more submissive. It's just biological. The man dominates and the woman is under him. These biological urges are what trigger our sexuality and when they are not in place, it just gets sort of lost. It happens on a physical level and it happens on a biological level, too. The most feminine woman is the most attractive, and the most masculine man is the most attractive. But make a woman masculine and she loses attraction points. At least to me she does. I like women to know their place as a woman and be under me. It's not disrespect. It's the just the way things are meant to be. I may catch alot of heat for this from many members but I stand where I do and I don't work hard to be as manly as I can be to land a woman who does the same. The position of the Alpha is restricted to the male. When a woman goes into this spot she becomes more and more of a man.

And I ain't into guys.

[Big Hype]

Originally Posted by badbart

Yes I mean American chick. In Colombia their were white looking people but they all knew I was a gringo just by looking at me, and I have no idea why.

Well, in America they have ways of telling who's from out of town or out of the country. They do in other parts of the world, too. This one Indian girl I was doing for a while told me that when she went to India and even dressed like the women do in India that they still knew that she wasn't from India (she wasn't born in India).

[badbart]

Originally Posted by Big Hype

Well, I think it comes down to you being the man that she acknowledges as dominant. Any woman will "bow down" (not literally) to a man that is in control. The thing is with American raised women is that they kind of don't have this femininity instilled in their brains as women from other countries do, and they kind of are stronger willed and have a drive to push for independence. I think it has to do with the feminist movement that hit the U.S. very hard during WWII and post-war America. Not that it isn't admirable that a woman does things for herself and has a career and is very successful, but the sexual attractiveness is just lost on many women because the traits they possess when they do reach this status are quite masculine and not attractive. I mean, those traits are respectable, but for us guys, we don't necessarily have to respect a woman to be attracted to her. That's a woman thing. Women are the ones who are attracted to someone they respect, not the other way around.

It all comes down to women in other countries being raised to be more submissive. It's just biological. The man dominates and the woman is under him. These biological urges are what trigger our sexuality and when they are not in place, it just gets sort of lost. It happens on a physical level and it happens on a biological level, too. The most feminine woman is the most attractive, and the most masculine man is the most attractive. But make a woman masculine and she loses attraction points. At least to me she does. I like women to know their place as a woman and be under me. It's not disrespect. It's the just the way things are meant to be. I may catch alot of heat for this from many members but I stand where I do and I don't work hard to be as manly as I can be to land a woman who does the same. The position of the Alpha is restricted to the male. When a woman goes into this spot she becomes more and more of a man.

And I ain't into guys.

I could have never said it better, when I travel to Colombia 90% of the women are hot and have a certain attractiveness American chicks don’t have. Even the “ugly” girls have a certain sexiness and attractiveness. I understand why the divorce rate in most central and South American countries is 1/10 of the USA. I would move their if it wasn’t for the little worry about getting killed or kidnapped. A gringo could live like a king inmany of those countries.

[sculli]

Originally Posted by Big Hype

Well, I think it comes down to you being the man that she acknowledges as dominant. Any woman will "bow down" (not literally) to a man that is in control. The thing is with American raised women is that they kind of don't have this femininity instilled in their brains as women from other countries do, and they kind of are stronger willed and have a drive to push for independence. I think it has to do with the feminist movement that hit the U.S. very hard during WWII and post-war America. Not that it isn't admirable that a woman does things for herself and has a career and is very successful, but the sexual attractiveness is just lost on many women because the traits they possess when they do reach this status are quite masculine and not attractive. I mean, those traits are respectable, but for us guys, we don't necessarily have to respect a woman to be attracted to her. That's a woman thing. Women are the ones who are attracted to someone they respect, not the other way around.

It all comes down to women in other countries being raised to be more submissive. It's just biological. The man dominates and the woman is under him. These biological urges are what trigger our sexuality and when they are not in place, it just gets sort of lost. It happens on a physical level and it happens on a biological level, too. The most feminine woman is the most attractive, and the most masculine man is the most attractive. But make a woman masculine and she loses attraction points. At least to me she does. I like women to know their place as a woman and be under me. It's not disrespect. It's the just the way things are meant to be. I may catch alot of heat for this from many members but I stand where I do and I don't work hard to be as manly as I can be to land a woman who does the same. The position of the Alpha is restricted to the male. When a woman goes into this spot she becomes more and more of a man.

And I ain't into guys.

I agree with you to a point but disagree that all American women are like that. I also disagree that all non-american women are submissive. My wife's brother married a Brazillian woman and she dominates the hell out of him so bad it's ridiculous.

[Big Hype]

Originally Posted by sculli

I agree with you to a point but disagree that all American women are like that. I also disagree that all non-american women are submissive. My wife's brother married a Brazillian woman and she dominates the hell out of him so bad it's ridiculous.

No, senor! Yo no estaba diciendo eso!!

What I was saying is that the majority of American girls would be RAISED to be more dominant than other girls from other countries. How they turn out is determined on other things, but how they are raised could have to do with the culture, and American culture does raise them to be a little more dominant than other cultures. I never said they turn out this way, just raised this way.

And that Brazilian woman who dominates him makes sense. He's a pussy. The least dominating woman will control a man who is a pussy. He is more of a woman than her in a way, so she is forced to dominate him. In this case it has nothing to do with how you are raised, but how your partner behaves (or doesn't). Even if these Mexican women are raised to be the most submissive, they will own a man who is more submissive than they are. That's just how it works.

[badbart]

Originally Posted by sculli

I agree with you to a point but disagree that all American women are like that. I also disagree that all non-american women are submissive. My wife's brother married a Brazillian woman and she dominates the hell out of him so bad it's ridiculous.

Some needs to put the smack down! We are of course talking in generalities. Tell him to show her who’s boss and theirs a good chance she will change her tune. There is a big difference at least in Colombia I’m not sure about Brazil.
My girl is more passionate but that passion cuts both ways, she lets me know what pisses her off but we fight and its over, I never hear about it again, not like my past experiences with women in the states. She is also more submissive and I’m the last word when it comes to decisions.

[sculli]

Originally Posted by Big Hype

No, senor! Yo no estaba diciendo eso!!

What I was saying is that the majority of American girls would be RAISED to be more dominant than other girls from other countries. How they turn out is determined on other things, but how they are raised could have to do with the culture, and American culture does raise them to be a little more dominant than other cultures. I never said they turn out this way, just raised this way.

And that Brazilian woman who dominates him makes sense. He's a pussy. The least dominating woman will control a man who is a pussy. He is more of a woman than her in a way, so she is forced to dominate him. In this case it has nothing to do with how you are raised, but how your partner behaves (or doesn't). Even if these Mexican women are raised to be the most submissive, they will own a man who is more submissive than they are. That's just how it works.

haha yeah he is a pussy that is true. I feel bad for the guy though.

[Big Hype]

Originally Posted by badbart

I could have never said it better, when I travel to Colombia 90% of the women are hot and have a certain attractiveness American chicks don’t have. Even the “ugly” girls have a certain sexiness and attractiveness. I understand why the divorce rate in most central and South American countries is 1/10 of the USA. I would move their if it wasn’t for the little worry about getting killed or kidnapped. A gringo could live like a king inmany of those countries.

Off topic, kind off, but I don't know about Colombia, but it's a misconception that a gringo will live like a king here in Mexico. Upon arriving, customs might take all of his money. If he has enough money to board a cab, the cab driver will drive him around town (which is the size of 5 L.A.'s I think) at gunpoint and make him take out as much money as he can from ATM machines until he maxes out all his credit cards. Then the driver will take his money, drop him off in the slums (80% of the city) and leave him there to possibly get jacked again by the people on the street. They will probaby take his clothes if they don't kill him. If he survives, he will be a butt-naked gringo roaming the streets, being more broke than the locals. If you're a woman, they will rape you until they get bored of you, and then have their friends have a go at you. This happens to alot of white people and non-Mexicans (although some Mexican-Americans do get robbed) and people who look like they have alot of money, or just people who look like they can't fight or handle themselves in any situation. I mean, it doesn't happen to everyone, but you definitely have to be on the look-out for this.

[sculli]

Originally Posted by badbart

Some needs to put the smack down! We are of course talking in generalities. Tell him to show her who’s boss and theirs a good chance she will change her tune. There is a big difference at least in Colombia I’m not sure about Brazil.
My girl is more passionate but that passion cuts both ways, she lets me know what pisses her off but we fight and its over, I never hear about it again, not like my past experiences with women in the states. She is also more submissive and I’m the last word when it comes to decisions.

I'm not getting involved in their **** but it will be interesting to see how long their relationship lasts. I'm guessing at least until she gets US citizenship and blows a good amount if not all of his money. He deserves what he gets for being a dumbass and marrying her 3 days after they met. The worst part is now she is pregnant and I wouldn't be too surprised if the baby is someone elses but he'll probably be too much of a pussy to doubt it. The reason why I would question who the father is, is because he was out of the country when the baby would have been conceived if you do the math. Hopefully this is just a math error and the baby doesn't come out looking like the mailman.

[sculli]

Originally Posted by Big Hype

Off topic, kind off, but I don't know about Colombia, but it's a misconception that a gringo will live like a king here in Mexico. Upon arriving, customs might take all of his money. If he has enough money to board a cab, the cab driver will drive him around town (which is the size of 5 L.A.'s I think) at gunpoint and make him take out as much money as he can from ATM machines until he maxes out all his credit cards. Then the driver will take his money, drop him off in the slums (80% of the city) and leave him there to possibly get jacked again by the people on the street. They will probaby take his clothes if they don't kill him. If he survives, he will be a butt-naked gringo roaming the streets, being more broke than the locals. If you're a woman, they will rape you until they get bored of you, and then have their friends have a go at you. This happens to alot of white people and non-Mexicans (although some Mexican-Americans do get robbed) and people who look like they have alot of money, or just people who look like they can't fight or handle themselves in any situation. I mean, it doesn't happen to everyone, but you definitely have to be on the look-out for this.

I guess that could happen but when I was there it was cool. You gotta watch your back but you should do that anywhere if your smart.

[badbart]

Originally Posted by Big Hype

Off topic, kind off, but I don't know about Colombia, but it's a misconception that a gringo will live like a king here in Mexico. Upon arriving, customs might take all of his money. If he has enough money to board a cab, the cab driver will drive him around town (which is the size of 5 L.A.'s I think) at gunpoint and make him take out as much money as he can from ATM machines until he maxes out all his credit cards. Then the driver will take his money, drop him off in the slums (80% of the city) and leave him there to possibly get jacked again by the people on the street. They will probaby take his clothes if they don't kill him. If he survives, he will be a butt-naked gringo roaming the streets, being more broke than the locals. If you're a woman, they will rape you until they get bored of you, and then have their friends have a go at you. This happens to alot of white people and non-Mexicans (although some Mexican-Americans do get robbed) and people who look like they have alot of money, or just people who look like they can't fight or handle themselves in any situation. I mean, it doesn't happen to everyone, but you definitely have to be on the look-out for this.

I know, When I was in Colombia I stayed in a very small upscale part of town. I’d never venture out alone, into a place I didn’t know. The places I visited were great and the people were great, but some had stories on how they have been shot etc.. I asked my girl if we could go see Pablo Escabar’s house but their was no way she would take me their. If it wasn’t so dangerous it would be a hell of a place to live. For $100 a night I stayed in a 4 room hotel room, bigger then my house.

[Big Hype]

Originally Posted by badbart

I know, When I was in Colombia I stayed in a very small upscale part of town. I’d never venture out alone, into a place I didn’t know. The places I visited were great and the people were great, but some had stories on how they have been shot etc.. I asked my girl if we could go see Pablo Escabar’s house but their was no way she would take me their. If it wasn’t so dangerous it would be a hell of a place to live.

Yeah, and I think Venezuela is bad as well because I think it's under martial law and there's alot of uprisings and rebellions.

[Kaja]

Why can't all women be so well behaved?

[Jay Rawd]

The U.S. is messed up. Parents are raising their boys to be girls, their girls to be boys and they don't even know it. That's why there's such a big virgin epidemic going on in America. All these nerdy teenage boys who think that the way to get a girl is to buy her **** and to supplicate to her. That's why there's so many suave guys in Europe. They just don't make 'em that way here. ****, the girls in Europe make American girls look like prudes. Sex isn't so taboo in Europe as it is here. People do their best to hide sex in any way in the U.S. In Europe, sex isn't censored like it is here. It's ridiculous how America is. They call this a great country? It may be, but it's probably the worst in terms of men and woman relations. The U.S. screwed up big time there.

[Eat Alotta Tuna]

This thread is full of bull****. I've never dated anyone but American girls, and I find that their sense of self confidence is both attractive and a "wife like" trait I would admire. What's all this about the way women should behave? Bull****.

[Jay Rawd]

Originally Posted by Eat Alotta Tuna

This thread is full of bull****. I've never dated anyone but American girls, and I find that their sense of self confidence is both attractive and a "wife like" trait I would admire. What's all this about the way women should behave? Bull****.

It's not bull****. If a woman neglects her husband then he will go find affection somewhere else. If you let your woman neglect you like that then that's fine. I don't want to be pussy-whipped, though. I guess you like to be the woman in the relationship.

[Eat Alotta Tuna]

I don't know...maybe it's hard for me to understand when I'm only 16. I really don't feel a sense of neglect in my relationship though. We do our own things one day a week, (she dances, I work on my car) but we do everything else together(go to the gym, go fishing, go for drives, etc.) Both our parents are very old fashioned, so I'm definately not the woman in the relationship. When she's at my house, I expect her to cook, do the dishes, attend to me, etc. She'll even do my laundry if I'm lucky.