Any law students/soon to be law students use LEEWS?

[fit_monster]

Im almost done with this now, and it seems that class is gong to be a 100% waste of time, when all i really need to do is memorize black law (actual laws) and learn how to analyze fact sets. How will class help with either one of these?

[haggy0927]

Originally Posted by WSsicks

Im almost done with this now, and it seems that class is gong to be a 100% waste of time, when all i really need to do is memorize black law (actual laws) and learn how to analyze fact sets. How will class help with either one of these?

Yep. Complete waste of time. It would've applied maybe 10 years ago. It still applies at TTT(Third Tier Toilets) where the profs are still in the stone age.

If you want mine you can have it for $25.

[fit_monster]

Originally Posted by haggy0927

Yep. Complete waste of time. It would've applied maybe 10 years ago. It still applies at TTT(Third Tier Toilets) where the profs are still in the stone age.

If you want mine you can have it for $25.

is it really a waste of time? I heard a lot of good things about it. Im going to U of Miami, not sure if that is a TTT or not though.

[haggy0927]

Originally Posted by WSsicks

is it really a waste of time? I heard a lot of good things about it. Im going to U of Miami, not sure if that is a TTT or not though.

Nope. When I mean TTT I mean a school such as Valpo or Quinnipiac or Wayne State where the attrition is 50% or higher.

[fit_monster]

Originally Posted by haggy0927

Nope. When I mean TTT I mean a school such as Valpo or Quinnipiac or Wayne State where the attrition is 50% or higher.

ok cool. What do you feel made LEEWS bad though? Most of it sounds like common sense really to me.

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[Slated]

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[haggy0927]

Originally Posted by WSsicks

ok cool. What do you feel made LEEWS bad though? Most of it sounds like common sense really to me.

Wentworth Miller believes that this is the only way to score high on a law school exam ... not true. He basically capitalizes off of 1L hysteria. The best advice I received was to look at "A" exam answers to see how those people addressed issues, etc. Also, listen carefully in class because profs usually give little hints of what they want on their exams.

[fit_monster]

Originally Posted by haggy0927

Wentworth Miller believes that this is the only way to score high on a law school exam ... not true. He basically capitalizes off of 1L hysteria. The best advice I received was to look at "A" exam answers to see how those people addressed issues, etc. Also, listen carefully in class because profs usually give little hints of what they want on their exams.

thanks for the tips. I won't say that im attending my school with the idea of transferring, i did research the job market in the area in which my school is strong and it looks very promising, but I see that there might be a once in a lifetime opportunity to still get into a top school and I want to do everything I can to try to make top 10% in my class during my 1L to make that happen.

I have heard in many cases though that professors don't keep old exams on file anymore for student access. So if that is the case with my school, what can I do at that point on?

Also, you said Wentworth Miller believes this is the only way to score high and this is "not true". I clearly see your point, but are you still implying that Wentworth Miller's strategy is still an effective way to score high, or that it is not effective?

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[2kool4skool]

Originally Posted by haggy0927

Wentworth Miller believes that this is the only way to score high on a law school exam ... not true. He basically capitalizes off of 1L hysteria. The best advice I received was to look at "A" exam answers to see how those people addressed issues, etc. Also, listen carefully in class because profs usually give little hints of what they want on their exams.

Why would the guy from Prison Break know anything about Law School exams?

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[smalltime]

What is LEEWS?

I am a soon to graduate law student, and I will tell you that case briefing is not what makes you pass the exam. Memorize the black letter, know the big cases, and if you are a good auditory learner, go to class and throw in some stuff the teacher talked about in class in the analysis portion.

The best thing you can do is practice, practice, practice writing law school exams, because it is a skill and is really the only thing that matters for passing school/the bar exam. That, and practice MBE's as well.

[fit_monster]

Originally Posted by smalltime

What is LEEWS?

I am a soon to graduate law student, and I will tell you that case briefing is not what makes you pass the exam. Memorize the black letter, know the big cases, and if you are a good auditory learner, go to class and throw in some stuff the teacher talked about in class in the analysis portion.

The best thing you can do is practice, practice, practice writing law school exams, because it is a skill and is really the only thing that matters for passing school/the bar exam. That, and practice MBE's as well.

Legal Essay Exam Writing system. Basically, it implies that what you learn in class, "cases" is b.s and will usually not be on the final, but what is important is the black letter law which derives from each case. So in effect, it basically tells you to memorize black letter law and then practice hypo after hypo in order to train yourself to spot issues and be able to apply black letter law to each potential issue you spot.

[smalltime]

Ok sounds like a good system to me. Basically what I wrote out, haha.

I would also recommend buying a professional outline to help streamline the black letter learning. The casebooks themselves can be very annoying at times, as the cases will meander around the topic you are learning, and give you the law from varying jurisdictions and use different names and standards.

Also, it is good to at least read every case (ie all the assigned reading), but only "brief" them if the teacher requries students to be ready to brief any case at random. And if you do have a class like that, make a study group with 3 other classmates and spread out the briefing load. I would also advise a study group to actually go over the law, stuff learned in class and go through flash cards and hypos.

[fit_monster]

Originally Posted by smalltime

Ok sounds like a good system to me. Basically what I wrote out, haha.

I would also recommend buying a professional outline to help streamline the black letter learning. The casebooks themselves can be very annoying at times, as the cases will meander around the topic you are learning, and give you the law from varying jurisdictions and use different names and standards.

Also, it is good to at least read every case (ie all the assigned reading), but only "brief" them if the teacher requries students to be ready to brief any case at random. And if you do have a class like that, make a study group with 3 other classmates and spread out the briefing load. I would also advise a study group to actually go over the law, stuff learned in class and go through flash cards and hypos.

I already have Gilbert's 1st year outlines (All 1L courses) and I will be ordering Emmanuel's flash cards for my 1L classes too as soon as it gets back in stock. Also I am reading Planet Law School II, but i think im done with it because all it talks about now is how little law professors work and how much they get paid and i honestly don't care about that stuff, i think i got what i needed from that book already.

[smalltime]

Originally Posted by WSsicks

I already have Gilbert's 1st year outlines (All 1L courses) and I will be ordering Emmanuel's flash cards for my 1L classes too as soon as it gets back in stock. Also I am reading Planet Law School II, but i think im done with it because all it talks about now is how little law professors work and how much they get paid and i honestly don't care about that stuff, i think i got what i needed from that book already.

Gilberts is good, but I liked Barbri's better. Barbri's is a lot more condensed, which is easier for exam review. Sometimes it almost defeats the purpose of an outline when it is a couple hundred pages long.

One other word of advice. I tried the fleming's exam writing workshop. Worst use of my time ever. If you spend any money on exam writing help, make sure you get personal 1 on 1 help or its basically worthless. Best of all worlds is to work with a more advanced student or recent graduate, so you are giving to the law student community, and they are likely to be familiar with the eccentricities of your specific teachers.

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Oh hi WSsicks.

[beowulf]

I didn't use Leews, a few of my firends have and it did very little for them. What has been posted is pretty accurate. Learn how to read a case and issue spot quickly and accuratly. Learn what your prof wants in the exam answers and model your writing by their lectures.

[PickItUp]

Originally Posted by Slated

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have questions about law school? post on the misc, where all the brightest lawyer hang.

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