First cycle: 20 weeks

[ozobnqka]

Yes you read it right, 20 weeks long cycle for first timer. I have done my homework and past few months hardly researched all the stuffs about the juice.
I'm to target 20 weeks cycle (12 weeks bulking and 8 weeks cutting).So I want to know what you think about my, I'd say extreme, start on gear.
I'm going to do 2 subcycles, one 12 weeks mass builder with test e and first 5 weeks on dol for kick start, and second 8 weeks cutting cycle - I'll switch to test propionate and will add some EQ, winny and at the end, anavar instead of winny. I also want to notice that I'll have at least 6 months off after this cycle, so 1 big cycle (12 weeks bulking, 8 weeks cutting) per year.

Stats: 21 y.o 188lbs 13-14% 6 years working out
1-12 test e 500mg/week (2x250)
1-5 Dbol 35mg/day
13-20 test prop 150mg/EOD
13-20 EQ 400mg/week
13-16 - WInstrol 50mg/day
17-20 - Anavar 50mg/day

22- ..... PCT


My goal is to build some auality muscle mass and then cut out to 7% BF
The problem is that i have 5-6 month to do it, lets say I'have some kind of contest
is it worh it ? One big cycle instead of 2 cycles per year ?

any feedback is welcome

Cheers from Bulgaria

[spowers1]

Hell of a lot of pinning for a first-timer. Especially weeks 13-20 with prop, I'd extend the enanthate for less pinning myself and use prop last 2-3 weeks and for a kickstart. Cycle looks good, but not so much for a first cycle, too many orals IMO though, save this for your 3-4th cycle! Start with test and dbol and see how you react.

[ozobnqka]

Originally Posted by spowers1

Hell of a lot of pinning for a first-timer. Especially weeks 13-20 with prop, I'd extend the enanthate for less pinning myself and use prop last 2-3 weeks and for a kickstart. Cycle looks good, but not so much for a first cycle, too many orals IMO though, save this for your 3-4th cycle! Start with test and dbol and see how you react.

yeah man, but I'm targeting 20 weeks cycle/24 weeks off instead of 12 weeks builk/12 weeks off 8 weeks cutting/8 weeks off, so i know that it's pretty hardcore for first timer,but the time is not my best friend, anyways I'll have hcg and AI on hand hope have enought luck lol

[batista_029]

Originally Posted by ozobnqka

Yes you read it right, 20 weeks long cycle for first timer. I have done my homework and past few months hardly researched all the stuffs about the juice.
I'm to target 20 weeks cycle (12 weeks bulking and 8 weeks cutting).So I want to know what you think about my, I'd say extreme, start on gear.
I'm going to do 2 subcycles, one 12 weeks mass builder with test e and first 5 weeks on dol for kick start, and second 8 weeks cutting cycle - I'll switch to test propionate and will add some EQ, winny and at the end, anavar instead of winny. I also want to notice that I'll have at least 6 months off after this cycle, so 1 big cycle (12 weeks bulking, 8 weeks cutting) per year.

Stats: 21 y.o 188lbs 13-14% 6 years working out
1-12 test e 500mg/week (2x250)
1-5 Dbol 35mg/day
13-20 test prop 150mg/EOD
13-20 EQ 400mg/week
13-16 - WInstrol 50mg/day
17-20 - Anavar 50mg/day

22- ..... PCT


My goal is to build some auality muscle mass and then cut out to 7% BF
The problem is that i have 5-6 month to do it, lets say I'have some kind of contest
is it worh it ? One big cycle instead of 2 cycles per year ?

any feedback is welcome

Cheers from Bulgaria

I agree that it is pretty heavy overall for a first cycle but if you think you can handle it then good luck. The only comment I have is that you should consider running EQ longer than eight weeks. EQ takes quite some time to kick in and you will not see the full effects of this compound if you keep it that short.

[ozobnqka]

Originally Posted by batista_029

I agree that it is pretty heavy overall for a first cycle but if you think you can handle it then good luck. The only comment I have is that you should consider running EQ longer than eight weeks. EQ takes quite some time to kick in and you will not see the full effects of this compound if you keep it that short.

nice iinput, will be better if I stop test e on week 10 and start the EQ, till week 12 test will yet kick in, and then EQ, sounds logical

[DeepFry]

I would include alittle adex on cycle to help with bloat as your going on a long one.
and HCG would not go a miss as well.

[ozobnqka]

Originally Posted by DeepFry

I would include alittle adex on cycle to help with bloat as your going on a long one.
and HCG would not go a miss as well.

sure AI on hand if noticable bloat occur and HCG during the cycle, maybe starting from 5th week at 2 x 250iu /week untill the PCT

[billypfl]

Originally Posted by ozobnqka

Yes you read it right, 20 weeks long cycle for first timer. I have done my homework and past few months hardly researched all the stuffs about the juice.
I'm to target 20 weeks cycle (12 weeks bulking and 8 weeks cutting).So I want to know what you think about my, I'd say extreme, start on gear.
I'm going to do 2 subcycles, one 12 weeks mass builder with test e and first 5 weeks on dol for kick start, and second 8 weeks cutting cycle - I'll switch to test propionate and will add some EQ, winny and at the end, anavar instead of winny. I also want to notice that I'll have at least 6 months off after this cycle, so 1 big cycle (12 weeks bulking, 8 weeks cutting) per year.

Stats: 21 y.o 188lbs 13-14% 6 years working out
1-12 test e 500mg/week (2x250)
1-5 Dbol 35mg/day
13-20 test prop 150mg/EOD
13-20 EQ 400mg/week
13-16 - WInstrol 50mg/day
17-20 - Anavar 50mg/day

22- ..... PCT


My goal is to build some auality muscle mass and then cut out to 7% BF
The problem is that i have 5-6 month to do it, lets say I'have some kind of contest
is it worh it ? One big cycle instead of 2 cycles per year ?

any feedback is welcome

Cheers from Bulgaria

if you haven't already purchased all that gear, you may want to consider this:

wk 1-20 test e 500mg/wk
wk 1-5 dbol 35mg/wk
wk 8-20 EQ 600mg/wk
wk 13-22 var 60mg/day
wk 13-22 clen 2wk on 2wk off
wk 1-22 adex .25mg EOD

you can cut just as well on test e as you can on prop and personally i would leave winny out, you have enough orals and the winny isn't going to do anything worthwhile anyway other than mess up your joints

edit: if you don't go with the above cycle, you will want to run your prop plus any orals up until PCT while the EQ is clearing your system

[ozobnqka]

Originally Posted by billypfl

if you haven't already purchased all that gear, you may want to consider this:

wk 1-20 test e 500mg/wk
wk 1-5 dbol 35mg/wk
wk 8-20 EQ 600mg/wk
wk 14-22 var 60mg/day
wk 12-22 clen 2wk on 2wk off
wk 1-22 adex .25mg EOD

you can cut just as well on test e as you can on prop and personally i would leave winny out, you have enough orals and the winny isn't going to do anything worthwhile anyway other than mess up your joints

edit: if you don't go with the above cycle, you will want to run your prop plus any orals up until PCT while the EQ is clearing your system

nice cycle, yeah I''ll take clen 2on/2off and ECA stack on off weeks, I'm considering also T3 for the final 8 weeks, just I forgot to add these stuffs in the original post

so I just wonder isn't EQ too hight at 600mg/week ? Would 400mg weekly do the job pretty well?

thanks for you time

[CDNJay]

That is one killer first cycle, I wish you luck, just make sure that you are prepared for the possible effects and problems. I just hope you have a great reason for taking such a huge risk for a first cycle, if you screw up on it or have bad sides, it could mess you up for life!
Definitely get my respect for going after what you want and jumping in head first. Balls to the wall!
Better make sure you got a doc who can do blood work and often to make sure you stay healthy!

[shivsean]

Drop the Winny and go 100mg Prop ED.

Other than that, good luck.

[know_power]

I would add some Arimidex at about .25 EOD , also start your HCG when Testicular atrophy is noticed (normally around week 4 with test E) be sure NOT to run the HCG more than 8 weeks..

[Selene]

good luck to you with your cycle

[firebird67]

fat loss + mass? why not tren and igf then?

[ozobnqka]

Thanks for all the input guys, highly appreciable. Here where I'm now:

Mass builder:
1-10 Test E 500mg/wk
1-10 Arimidex .25mg EOD
1-5 Dbol 35mg/day
Cutting:
10-20 Test e 500mg/wk
10-20 EQ 400mg/wk
10-20 Arimidex 0.25mg EOD
10-20 Clen 2 weeks on/2 off, ECA stack on off weeks
14-20 Anavar 60mg/day

4-12 HCG 2x250iu/wk
20-22 HCG 5000iu, 5 days later 3000iu, 5 days later 3000iu 5 days later 1500iu

22 - 25 Nolva 40mg/day
22 - 25 Clomid 150mg/day
26-29 Nolva 20mg/day
26-29 Clomid 50mg/day

Diet and training routine will switch from bulk to cut mode
So I want to notice something: I`ll start for 12 weeks bulking cycle and IF AT WEEK 10 EVERYTHING IS "FINE", I'LL ALSO WILL DO MY BLOOD WORK, I`LL START THE CUTTING PART AND ADD THE EQ, if something on week 10 is wrong I'll finish at week 12

so any more feedback and opinion are higly apreciated, to make it as simple as can be, better and safest (if something like 20 weeks seems safe lol)

[firebird67]

imo take a small break inbetween the cycles, the receptors will be overloaded in those first 10 weeks

[pk16]

I think your using way to many drugs for way to long. This is your first cycle. You dont even know how your going to react to test. Just my personal opinion though. I wish you luck.

[Takuth]

Originally Posted by ozobnqka

... I'm considering also T3 for the final 8 weeks, just I forgot to add these stuffs in the original post...

T3 should not be run for over 5 weeks, cycle up and down, and NOT for a first timer with more ingredients in his sauce than you can control.

Also, I would strongly encourage you to look at Primobolan instead, your gonna be so toxic after the 14th week, did you forget that this stuff has a half life.

Your goals are more in line with the results you would get from:
Masteron: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catmast.htm
Trenbolone: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catfinaplix.htm
Equipose: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catequi.htm

however, I still think you need to slow down for your first cycle mate!!!
I know that Parabolan is too heavy for you, and is the equivalent of the new Tren that people are using, so even that is not a great suggestion. Just slow down, take more time doing research than your cycle time, question everything... that part is good. And make sure you have a good physician who can keep a close eye on your CBC's, and HT values.

More links:
Masteron: http://www.steroid.com/Masteron.php
Trenbolone: http://www.steroid.com/Trenbolone-Acetate.php
Equipose: http://www.steroid.com/Equipoise.php

Really look into Masteron. Test looks good, you can keep the same flavor.
Just need to re-assess your goals, I love Var, but dont think that it is right for you at the moment. Your gonna be a cesspool with that blend. And I have been hearing more complaints about Winny without Deca, and your too young to be having joint pains from bein dryed out on Winny - then getting a strength push thru the roof from Var - you need to consider how they effect your workouts as well the internal effects.

AND FOR F**K SAKE - be safe :-)

[thebrakes]

i for one think this is a terrible idea....for so many reasons.

[Takuth]

Originally Posted by thebrakes

i for one think this is a terrible idea....for so many reasons.

I agree, but only he needs to figure out its:
a). A bad idea
b). too long
c). Unnecesary to run a first with anything other than test
d). A bad blend of sauces
e). all of the above

[scotto88]

whos bookin the odds that he gets tired of pinnin around week 12 and becomes a fat depressed slob on clomid?

[ozobnqka]

Takuth thanks for ur quality post and yes, I agree with u. but if you have 6 months untill the contest, what u would do ?

I can't diet without AAS, will lose too much muscle, I can`t build naturaly too much quality muscle, I have do it last 4 years, I gained 55lbs

P.S. What about 8-10wks bulk 4-5 weeks off 8 weeks cut, is it sounds better ?

[ozobnqka]

Originally Posted by scotto88

whos bookin the odds that he gets tired of pinnin around week 12 and becomes a fat depressed slob on clomid?

don't try to make fun with me, there are fun section specially made for guys like u

[knorth]

you shouldn't run hcg for too long. it will desensitise your bodys response to LH (luteinizing hormone).

read paragraph 4 of this thread

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/cathcg.htm

[ozobnqka]

yeah, no 20 weeks for me, now I'm considering 2 cycles for 8 weeks each with only 4 weeks off between them

8 weeks bulk
4 weeks PCT
8 weeks cut
8 weeks PCT

and then 6 months off the juice

si I'll need maybe something diffrent than test E on bulking phrase, becouse the cycle is too short for long esters, what's ur opinion?

[True Force]

wow man, you need at least 8 weeks between those 2 cycles.

i also don't get the point of your bulk quickly cut quickly idea.... Like bulk for a year, then cut. None of this bulk cut bulk cut bs. If you do this you are wasting cycles imo.

DO 2 nice bulk cycles per year. Bulk until your the max size you want to be, THEN CUT.

[ozobnqka]

Originally Posted by True Force

wow man, you need at least 8 weeks between those 2 cycles.

i also don't get the point of your bulk quickly cut quickly idea.... Like bulk for a year, then cut. None of this bulk cut bulk cut bs. If you do this you are wasting cycles imo.

DO 2 nice bulk cycles per year. Bulk until your the max size you want to be, THEN CUT.

I'll have 22 weeks untill mu contest, so I need to speed the process a little bit, I have been on osme natural contest in my past but now i'm planing to not be natural lol

[scotto88]

Originally Posted by ozobnqka

don't try to make fun with me, there are fun section specially made for guys like u

Im not making fun. Im just saying that your first go round you will prbably get sick of pinnin because you arent quite used to it. I didnt want another freakin needle near me around week 12 of my first cycle. there is no way I couldve gone 20 weeks.

[hybriD06]

If you run the 20 weeks, do it just like you said except start the EQ 2 weeks earlier while you are still on the enanthate. That will give it a chance to start working just as you start the test p. Otherwise, I dont think 20 weeks is that long as long as you know what your doing, and you buy everything up front. I dont know how many people I see that just 'decide' to keep their cycles going in the last 2 weeks and scramble to buy more gear. Its just not a good practice. Good luck though

[backspace]

get your bloodwork done and see were your natural test levels are at. that way u can have somthing to shoot for with u come off and get your bloodwork done again. You could go cycle again i wouldnt do any orals. remember people stay on for years........ they also get bloodwork done all the time just to be sure. U think aronld came off?