How can human progress be achieved?

[lirika]

hHow can human progress be achieved? I think its a simple question. I was writing a reply to Michael Moore’s thread and a thought hit me. You know how we discredit his movies becasue he is fat liberal etc. But if u think about that has nothing to do with it, he still talks about real problems in America that are very important and people should at least acknowledge these problems becase it is a first step in solving them. I think any country should strive to be number one in every social and economic category, industrial countries that have option to do so, should do it. Thats where the question comes in how do achieve that throught thinking in traditional paremeters or in critical open minded way? . I know many civilizations evolved traditionally China, Persia, India etc u could say that even if a country holds top its traditions it can still evolve but when countries started interacting in greater level they started evolving more. My point is if people where to hold to their whole idea of "American gun culture" would those American people progress is human beings or not? If people accepted that certain percentage of their countries population will die because of expensive health care system, would those people progress or not?

[The Experiment]

By submitting to the caliphate.

[lirika]

heh, I spelled through wrong, sorry i am an immigrant :S

[clovely]

I don't think I'd say we don't "need" human progress. But humanity is what it is and we're not going to evolve eventually into "good" people living in utopian societies. It's nonsense and a waste of time. The unsanctified heart of man is evil. The only hope is one person at a time to find Truth and then to just take the good where we can get it. And there is good, it's not hopelessness and despair. But looking to somehow better humanity, end poverty and cure sadness, is just ridiculous.

[thirsty4chicken]

It's pretty obvious that society must adapt over time (2nd option) to survive the test of time.

Yes, we still have our guns, but we no longer have slavery, women can vote, and we have welfare programs.

I guess the trick is for society to change fast enough to keep up with the times, but not so quickly as to spread discontent which may lead to a political/military conflict (revolution).

[delta9]

Change our image of ourselves and our environment.

Accept death.

Accept both evil and good knowing that without the sick and insane we wouldn't have doctors and police officers.

Focusing education on physical fitness, everything else is secondary. Fat politicians, slumped lazy weak looking scientists, non participative communities, etc..... would be fixed with physical exercise and combat sports.

Legalize marijuana and use hemp for all it's worth.

There's a whole lot but I think the backbone of it all is changing our image of ourselves.

[The Experiment]

Serious post now.

You have to understand that those people who are willing to dismiss a whole movie because the director is fat are not the kinds of people that are going to determine the progress of society. Some people just love to deny truth and not even hear what a person has to say. Some people hate for the boat to be rocked.

Then again, it all comes down to biases. Everyone has them. I know there are some smug pricks out there who think they aren't biased but they are liars.

Now then, as for human progress, its probably all rooted in competition. If you eliminate this competition, everyone suffers. Its why you can't find a single economist who is in favor of a monopoly. Its why I speak against corporatism so much. Passing legislature that makes it easier on corporations but tougher on small business hinders progress. With the organic food and vitamin industries, the Legislature is willing to create even more corporatism by eliminating the little guy. Who actually wins? Nobody...in the end. Fast profits for market failure later.

[concept]

^^^Holy crap, why is Experiment banned!?

I for one voted for the open minded, critical thinking. Almost every single innovation that leads to progress in every which field has been made by people who were considered radicals in their time.

[Fidelis]

He isn't banned, his custom title is 'Banned' and it has been for quite a while IIRC.

[lirika]

kind of side track question, can u be a traditional republican or conservative and still be open-minded, critical ?(when you talk about human prgress).

I was thinking it depends on the issue but than republican will ways choose a side that will want what to hold a traditional point of view, meaning, leaving things the way they are

[Guardian]

Originally Posted by lirika

hHow can human progress be achieved? I think its a simple question. I was writing a reply to Michael Moore?s thread and a thought hit me. You know how we discredit his movies becasue he is fat liberal etc. But if u think about that has nothing to do with it, he still talks about real problems in America that are very important and people should at least acknowledge these problems becase it is a first step in solving them. I think any country should strive to be number one in every social and economic category, industrial countries that have option to do so, should do it. Thats where the question comes in how do achieve that throught thinking in traditional paremeters or in critical open minded way? . I know many civilizations evolved traditionally China, Persia, India etc u could say that even if a country holds top its traditions it can still evolve but when countries started interacting in greater level they started evolving more. My point is if people where to hold to their whole idea of "American gun culture" would those American people progress is human beings or not? If people accepted that certain percentage of their countries population will die because of expensive health care system, would those people progress or not?

Useless thread imo

"progress" believe it or not is a subject word

Has america progressed?

If you ask me we haven't. As a whole people are more miserable the ever, thats why anti depressents have rocket high sales.

For every "progress" beyond basic life needs there almost always is regress somewhere else. Even with basic life needs there is regress. ISay we develope better drugs for viruses, the viruses are only going to evolve and get better, is that really progress? We have supermarkets where people shop for food. What would people do if they had to close and there was no power in the us? Is that progress? Where people need to go to a store an order to survive? Or how about the cashier whos computer crashes and cant even add up your change in her head, is the cash register progress?

One day "progress" will be the reason for the end of mankind, hopefully its not in my day!

[lirika]

sure thats one point of view,

however progress could be attributed to solving all our problems too, (if we evolve far enough). You can allways argue we dont need progress and for our own sake this civilization is better to be still but thats kind of impossiable one way or another we will still have to move one ( an example of this is transformation from oil and gas to alternative energy sources ) Thats progress right? But thats not the point of this thread

They whole point of this thread is to show do people with traditional view points thinl that they can achieve human progress (as fast and as good) as people with open-minded, critical mind set.

[CaveMan22]

by voting for the dr rp

[Bodysteele]

Originally Posted by lirika

hHow can human progress be achieved? I think its a simple question. I was writing a reply to Michael Moore?s thread and a thought hit me. You know how we discredit his movies becasue he is fat liberal etc. But if u think about that has nothing to do with it, he still talks about real problems in America that are very important and people should at least acknowledge these problems becase it is a first step in solving them. I think any country should strive to be number one in every social and economic category, industrial countries that have option to do so, should do it. Thats where the question comes in how do achieve that throught thinking in traditional paremeters or in critical open minded way? . I know many civilizations evolved traditionally China, Persia, India etc u could say that even if a country holds top its traditions it can still evolve but when countries started interacting in greater level they started evolving more. My point is if people where to hold to their whole idea of "American gun culture" would those American people progress is human beings or not? If people accepted that certain percentage of their countries population will die because of expensive health care system, would those people progress or not?

What on earth does this mean mean>?

All societies must both question and preserve to progress.

You question systems and traditions that DONT work...

And you preserve things that have and currently do work or at least are operating well or near optimal levels.

Believing a society has to choose one or another shows a fundamental misunderstanding over how societies progress/ mature.