Afghan villagers answer your questions (WORTH Reading)

[Nagalfar]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6763865.stm

The really amazing thing is this article is done by the BBC, I think yet another reporter bite the dust!

[US_Ranger]

Originally Posted by Nagalfar

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6763865.stm

The really amazing thing is this article is done by the BBC, I think yet another reporter bite the dust!

GOOD FIND!

I like this one :

Q: It seems people are supporting the Taleban on the pretext that the Taleban are defending Islam against Western values. Do you agree? Ezra Kaimukilwa, Dar es Salaam, Tanzania

HAJI ABDULLAH SALEH: The Taleban has trampled upon the good name of Islam. They don't observe Islamic values and laws. They are against education.

If they served Islam, people would not have hated them, and they would have succeeded. They don't even have the power to defend Islam, let alone protect it. They get outside support to create trouble.




Wow, good stuff man. Thanks. Ooooooooh SSSSSSKKKKKKKK, you need to read this. Not everyone wants your Islamic caliphate.

[HatesFat]

Originally Posted by US_Ranger

GOOD FIND!

I like this one :

Q: It seems people are supporting the Taleban on the pretext that the Taleban are defending Islam against Western values. Do you agree? Ezra Kaimukilwa, Dar es Salaam, Tanzania

HAJI ABDULLAH SALEH: The Taleban has trampled upon the good name of Islam. They don't observe Islamic values and laws. They are against education.

If they served Islam, people would not have hated them, and they would have succeeded. They don't even have the power to defend Islam, let alone protect it. They get outside support to create trouble.




Wow, good stuff man. Thanks. Ooooooooh SSSSSSKKKKKKKK, you need to read this. Not everyone wants your Islamic caliphate.

BUT THEYZ IS NOT THE REEL MUZLINS!

[Lloyd Braun]

RIP Ahmad Shah Masoud.

[QuantumIncision]

Has support for the Taleban risen due to lack of improvements in daily life? Karen DeBiase, Chester, VA

HAJI ABDULLAH SALEH: Support for Taleban is coming from countries like Pakistan.

There is a big rumour these days that the US is actually helping the Taleban to keep the war going. The Taleban were created by the US and the US has all the powers in the world, so people here find it very difficult to believe that the US can't take them out. It just doesn't make sense.

This really got me thinking. I love my country, but I also know that the American government does a lot of nasty **** behind the scenes and would not put it past them to keep both the Iraqi and Afghan wars going so we can overstay our stay there.

[US_Ranger]

Originally Posted by QuantumIncision

This really got me thinking. I love my country, but I also know that the American government does a lot of nasty **** behind the scenes and would not put it past them to keep both the Iraqi and Afghan wars going so we can overstay our stay there.

Unbelievable. You're right, we're helping a group kill our own soldiers so we can stay in a ****ty country and go farther into debt.

Did you know remote controlled jumbo jets flew into the Twin towers?

By the way, I have a bridge to sell you.......

[QuantumIncision]

Originally Posted by US_Ranger

Unbelievable. You're right, we're helping a group kill our own soldiers so we can stay in a ****ty country and go farther into debt.

We're not building the largest embassy in the world in Iraq for nothing.

Besides, do you even know what the "secret" US government has done? And their many plans such as Operation northwoods (shoot down a passenger plane, blame it on Cuba so we can attack them), lying to get into Vietnam further (Gulf of Tonkin), testing effects of radiation of soldiers, mind control experiments, supporting dictators and coups that are not good for that country's people, selling weapons to bad countries to use on their own people and other countries, giving money to bad regimes (the Taliban for example) for killing and dismembering people because they grew opium.

Please tell me. why is it so UNBELIEVABLE?

[Dave22reborn]

Originally Posted by QuantumIncision

We're not building the largest embassy in the world in Iraq for nothing.

Besides, do you even know what the "secret" US government has done? And their many plans such as Operation northwoods (shoot down a passenger plane, blame it on Cuba so we can attack them), lying to get into Vietnam further (Gulf of Tonkin), testing effects of radiation of soldiers, mind control experiments, supporting dictators and coups that are not good for that country's people, selling weapons to bad countries to use on their own people and other countries, giving money to bad regimes (the Taliban for example) for killing and dismembering people because they grew opium.

Please tell me. why is it so UNBELIEVABLE?

If we don't do business with dictators, then one of our competitors will. Like China, or Europe.

[US_Ranger]

Originally Posted by QuantumIncision

We're not building the largest embassy in the world in Iraq for nothing.

Besides, do you even know what the "secret" US government has done? And their many plans such as Operation northwoods (shoot down a passenger plane, blame it on Cuba so we can attack them), lying to get into Vietnam further (Gulf of Tonkin), testing effects of radiation of soldiers, mind control experiments, supporting dictators and coups that are not good for that country's people, selling weapons to bad countries to use on their own people and other countries, giving money to bad regimes (the Taliban for example) for killing and dismembering people because they grew opium.

Please tell me. why is it so UNBELIEVABLE?

You're right again. We're funding a group of raidcal Islamic fightesr that are coming from countries that we are both allied and enemy with to lengthen our stay in a country and drain our economy. At the same time, the war is becoming MORE and MORE unpopular so it only makes sense to lengthen that war for whatever reason.

You're right about the government being shady too. After all, being a corrupt entity automatically means we're supporting groups that kill our own troops. Does Occam's Razor ring a bell on this one?

[QuantumIncision]

Originally Posted by US_Ranger

You're right again. We're funding a group of raidcal Islamic fightesr that are coming from countries that we are both allied and enemy with to lengthen our stay in a country and drain our economy. At the same time, the war is becoming MORE and MORE unpopular so it only makes sense to lengthen that war for whatever reason.

You're right about the government being shady too. After all, being a corrupt entity automatically means we're supporting groups that kill our own troops. Does Occam's Razor ring a bell on this one?

I am not right at all, because I never said that we are or we are not doing anything. I really don't have classified documents nor am I a high up CIA, NSA, etc. agent...and I truly doubt you are either.

I won't put anything past them though. Just because it doesn't make much sense to you or you don't want something to be true does not mean that it isn't in any way, shape, or form.

[QuantumIncision]

Originally Posted by Dave22reborn

If we don't do business with dictators, then one of our competitors will. Like China, or Europe.

We don't just do business, but install them. Of course I know other countries do the same, but that doesn't mean we should just listen to the official story and not keep an open mind based on America's track record.

[US_Ranger]

Originally Posted by QuantumIncision

I am not right at all, because I never said that we are or we are not doing anything. I really don't have classified documents nor am I a high up CIA, NSA, etc. agent...and I truly doubt you are either.

I won't put anything past them though. Just because it doesn't make much sense to you or you don't want something to be true does not mean that it isn't in any way, shape, or form.

And that's EXACTLY why Occam's Razor is around....for situations just like this.

I trust our government about as far as I can throw them but I'll go ahead and take the simple explanation and not assume that they're killing our own troops in order to feed a mass conspiracy. Plus, I've seen the bodies of a couple CIA guys that were gunned down by the Taliban. I guess they forgot the CIA was on their side.......

[QuantumIncision]

Originally Posted by US_Ranger

And that's EXACTLY why Occam's Razor is around....for situations just like this.

I trust our government about as far as I can throw them but I'll go ahead and take the simple explanation and not assume that they're killing our own troops in order to feed a mass conspiracy. Plus, I've seen the bodies of a couple CIA guys that were gunned down by the Taliban. I guess they forgot the CIA was on their side.......

I don't believe the Taliban or the foreign fighters have affection or is working for the CIA or American personnel and are working with them at all. I do think though, that the end desire was to occupy the country and have influence in the country and that would not be possible if we just got up and left.

That's why I do not think we are ever going to leave for years and years and the violence is strangely being played into the people who organized this mess hands. And no...I wouldn't put it past some of the most psychopathic ones in the intelligence agencies to inflame certain situations as they have done in the past.

[Dave22reborn]

Originally Posted by QuantumIncision

We don't just do business, but install them. Of course I know other countries do the same, but that doesn't mean we should just listen to the official story and not keep an open mind based on America's track record.

Let me ask you, was it wrong for the UK, and the US to ally with Stalin during WW2????? Was it wrong for the US to ally ourselves with S. Korea during the Korean War???? Was it wrong to liberate Kuwait from Saddam??? Was it wrong to "slightly" help both sides during the Iraq-Iran war??

Was it wrong for us to ally ourselves with the Shah, until that liberal ******* Carter, ended it?????

[QuantumIncision]

Originally Posted by Dave22reborn

Let me ask you, was it wrong for the UK, and the US to ally with Stalin during WW2????? Was it wrong for the US to ally ourselves with S. Korea during the Korean War???? Was it wrong to liberate Kuwait from Saddam??? Was it wrong to "slightly" help both sides during the Iraq-Iran war??

Was it wrong for us to ally ourselves with the Shah, until that liberal ******* Carter, ended it?????

Honestly...I want the United States government to focus on Americans. Not spend our tax dollars on supporting wars and unpopular leaders which increases hate for the US exponentially and makes the world hate us Americans.

So is it wrong for the US to interfer in other countries when we are not asked and against the wishes of those citizens while tens of millions of people here have no health care...yes I would say that is wrong.

[Dave22reborn]

Originally Posted by QuantumIncision

Honestly...I want the United States government to focus on Americans. Not spend our tax dollars on supporting wars and unpopular leaders which increases hate for the US exponentially and makes the world hate us Americans.

So is it wrong for the US to interfer in other countries when we are not asked and against the wishes of those citizens while tens of millions of people here have no health care...yes I would say that is wrong.

Oh great, once again it's about healthcare. You do realize that there is no such thing as free healthcare, no matter what Michael Moore say's. Those prisoners that get free healthcare, well we have to pay for it. Do you wish for higher taxes, so that everyone is entitled to "free" healthcare???? Then people would bitch about how high our taxes our.

You wish for us to stay out of countries affairs??? People are already bitching, and blaming Bush for high gas prices, imagine how much higher they'd be if we did stay out of the affairs of countries.

And as for supporting unpopular leaders, is it worse to support someone like the Shah, or is it better with the Mullahs in charge???

[QuantumIncision]

Originally Posted by Dave22reborn

Oh great, once again it's about healthcare. You do realize that there is no such thing as free healthcare, no matter what Michael Moore say's. Those prisoners that get free healthcare, well we have to pay for it. Do you wish for higher taxes, so that everyone is entitled to "free" healthcare???? Then people would bitch about how high our taxes our.

I am not for universal healthcare, but all the money we spend that is really un-needed could buy many Americans healthcare. That was the point. Americans aren't be taken care of yet we are butting into other countries business without being needed or asked.

You wish for us to stay out of countries affairs??? People are already bitching, and blaming Bush for high gas prices, imagine how much higher they'd be if we did stay out of the affairs of countries.

When we interfer in other countries, gas prices go up. Not the other way around. Don't believe the lie that bombing other countries help us in any way.

And as for supporting unpopular leaders, is it worse to support someone like the Shah, or is it better with the Mullahs in charge???

What do the people of that country want? I am sure we can work with them like most countries do without war.

[Dave22reborn]

Originally Posted by QuantumIncision

I am not for universal healthcare, but all the money we spend that is really un-needed could buy many Americans healthcare. That was the point. Americans aren't be taken care of yet we are butting into other countries business without being needed or asked.




When we interfer in other countries, gas prices go up. Not the other way around. Don't believe the lie that bombing other countries help us in any way.



What do the people of that country want? I am sure we can work with them like most countries do without war.

Americans aren't being taken care of???? Why can't they care for themselves. You're only responsible for yourself in this life.

And what do the people of that country want???? Who do you think that the people of Saudi Arabia would elect as president if given a chance???? OBL perhaps????

And Carter made the mistake of thinking that the US could do business with Khomeni and his clerics. OOOPS!!!!!!!

[QuantumIncision]

Originally Posted by Dave22reborn

Americans aren't being taken care of???? Why can't they care for themselves. You're only responsible for yourself in this life.

Right, using American tax payers money to do things in other countries makes so much more sense than spending American money on America...

And what do the people of that country want???? Who do you think that the people of Saudi Arabia would elect as president if given a chance???? OBL perhaps????

What do people here want? If we elected Bush twice which we did obviously) and Europe had all the power in the world, and they invaded us or put huge amount of sanctions destroying our economy or bombed us or isolated us because we elected someone, don't you think Americans would be a LITTLE pissed off?

And Carter made the mistake of thinking that the US could do business with Khomeni and his clerics. OOOPS!!!!!!!

And of course years with interfering in their country's affairs, innocent America just wanted to do old fashioned business with them. Not to mention attempts at a coup here and there...

[Dave22reborn]

Originally Posted by QuantumIncision

Right, using American tax payers money to do things in other countries makes so much more sense than spending American money on America...



What do people here want? If we elected Bush twice which we did obviously) and Europe had all the power in the world, and they invaded us or put huge amount of sanctions destroying our economy or bombed us or isolated us because we elected someone, don't you think Americans would be a LITTLE pissed off?



And of course years with interfering in their country's affairs, innocent America just wanted to do old fashioned business with them. Not to mention attempts at a coup here and there...

What do you want the government to spend their money on when it come's to the US????

And do you honestly believe that Saddam was elected to power????? That's the analogy that you're using.

You honestly believe that we're the only country in the whole world interfering in other's affairs???? You don't believe that the President of Veneszuala is doing the same??? Or even Iran??

[QuantumIncision]

Originally Posted by Dave22reborn

What do you want the government to spend their money on when it come's to the US????

Education, immigration reform, not OVERSPENDING, alternative fuel research, medical research. You'd be surprised on just how much the government can spend money on if you just THINK.

And do you honestly believe that Saddam was elected to power????? That's the analogy that you're using.

No I don't honestly think Saddam was elected to power, nor did I ever say that. If you want to stop every dictator (well the ones that are not working well with the US government and corporations at the moment), then sign up for the army and spend your own money.

You honestly believe that we're the only country in the whole world interfering in other's affairs???? You don't believe that the President of Veneszuala is doing the same??? Or even Iran??

No, I don't, to the contrary I said we weren't the only ones if you read above. What I am saying is that we should stop interfering in almost every country. Let's be the empire that learns from history. Every empire that is doing what we are doing now (which has been every one) has fallen. We are having problems and it has only been like 70 years being a world superpower.

Something has got to be done, and bombing other countries and creating more hate and having China buy up our debt to keep us afloat is going to come crashing down on...no not the elite who are causing these problems...but us.

[Dave22reborn]

^^^^^^
I'll admit, you have some valid points that I agree with.

[run213]

Originally Posted by QuantumIncision

Education, immigration reform, not OVERSPENDING, alternative fuel research, medical research. You'd be surprised on just how much the government can spend money on if you just THINK.



No I don't honestly think Saddam was elected to power, nor did I ever say that. If you want to stop every dictator (well the ones that are not working well with the US government and corporations at the moment), then sign up for the army and spend your own money.



No, I don't, to the contrary I said we weren't the only ones if you read above. What I am saying is that we should stop interfering in almost every country. Let's be the empire that learns from history. Every empire that is doing what we are doing now (which has been every one) has fallen. We are having problems and it has only been like 70 years being a world superpower.

Something has got to be done, and bombing other countries and creating more hate and having China buy up our debt to keep us afloat is going to come crashing down on...no not the elite who are causing these problems...but us.

The US is not an empire. Your getting a bit carried away.

[QuantumIncision]

Originally Posted by run213

The US is not an empire. Your getting a bit carried away.

We may not have colonies, but the US can definitely be called an empire. Food, music, currency, military bases are worldwide. In the traditional sense, we are not an empire. Though modern times, we are the closest to having an empire.

[kb24888]

Originally Posted by US_Ranger

GOOD FIND!

I like this one :

Q: It seems people are supporting the Taleban on the pretext that the Taleban are defending Islam against Western values. Do you agree? Ezra Kaimukilwa, Dar es Salaam, Tanzania

HAJI ABDULLAH SALEH: The Taleban has trampled upon the good name of Islam. They don't observe Islamic values and laws. They are against education.

If they served Islam, people would not have hated them, and they would have succeeded. They don't even have the power to defend Islam, let alone protect it. They get outside support to create trouble.




Wow, good stuff man. Thanks. Ooooooooh SSSSSSKKKKKKKK, you need to read this. Not everyone wants your Islamic caliphate.

I don't think you understood what HAJI ABDULLAH SALEH said. lol

[C_Kent]

President Bush needs a kick in the ass

[US_Ranger]

Originally Posted by QuantumIncision

We may not have colonies, but the US can definitely be called an empire. Food, music, currency, military bases are worldwide. In the traditional sense, we are not an empire. Though modern times, we are the closest to having an empire.

Don't they teach you anything about globalization in high school these days? It has nothing to do with an empire, it has to do with political, cultural and economic globalization. Study up before you spout off about empires.

[SYRIANKID]

Originally Posted by US_Ranger

Wow, good stuff man. Thanks. Ooooooooh SSSSSSKKKKKKKK, you need to read this. Not everyone wants your Islamic caliphate.

What are you talking about? Just because someone doesn't support the Taliban doesn't mean they don't want the Islamic state. I disagree with MANY of the Taliban tactics and whole political set-up.

As usual, you've been brainwashed to think that Islam is either "Taliban" or "secular Muslim". You obviously can't see the middle ground that mainstream Islam represents.

[QuantumIncision]

Originally Posted by US_Ranger

Study up before you spout off about empires.

lol. An empire means many things, I can say WalMart has a retail empire (considering they have proliferated around the whole world). Is it globalization? Sure. But the word empire doesn't only mean a Roman, British, French, Mongolian empire. So saying the United States has an empire is not wrong. Just think, I know (well at least I think you can) do it!

[EOY]

Originally Posted by US_Ranger

Wow, good stuff man. Thanks. Ooooooooh SSSSSSKKKKKKKK, you need to read this. Not everyone wants your Islamic caliphate.

lmao...I don't know why, but that sounded a little nuts .