Winztrol and Trenaplex: Side Effects

fogie13 · 07-09-2007, 11:48 AM

I've taken Winztrol before along side halo clones. I'm cutting now, on EC. What has anyone having done winztrol (and/or it's dubplicates) experianced. I thought i had some loss of libido, though could've been cuz i pct'd with AX PCT. I don't think i'll pct this time round, waste of money.

Additionally, i may take winz alongside Trenaplex or Trenadrol (though the later is said to be, on this forum, more toxic). The tren would hlep burn more fat and possibly add on more strenght. Still thinking about it...

Again, what are the encountered sides (not **** you've read about ok?) when using, and coming off of, winztrol....While we're on the subject, what's the sides of anyone who's usded either Trenaplex or Trenadrol.

***MOST NOTABLY!!!*** Any libido sides???

shaREEFed · 07-09-2007, 11:50 AM

I took trenadrol and it was amazing i gained about 8lbs of muscle and my lifts went huge from 300 lb bench to a 335lb bench> My sides were minor hair loss not noticable. and amost total shutdown of libido in the final week. But after i PCTed and took paravol and had it back in 3 days

fogie13 · 07-09-2007, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by shaREEFed

I took trenadrol and it was amazing i gained about 8lbs of muscle and my lifts went huge from 300 lb bench to a 335lb bench> My sides were minor hair loss not noticable. and amost total shutdown of libido in the final week. But after i PCTed and took paravol and had it back in 3 days

What'd you PCT with??

...Any experiances with Winz while we're on it? I'm stacking the two together. How long were u on the Tren? And which brand of Tren? Kilosports??

BreakingPoint8 · 07-09-2007, 02:05 PM

No PCT when using prohormones? Brilliant idea...

fogie13 · 07-09-2007, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BreakingPoint8

No PCT when using prohormones? Brilliant idea...

Unless the ****s injected into my ass i find little reason for PCT unless i start seeing titties. It's a waste of money, total f***'in spoof these forums promote just to keep these nutritional companies, which push quacked subpar clones, fat and healthy. I'm not doing it this time. If i f*** up i'll pm you so you can get to tell me, gleefully i'm sure: "Wah! told you so!" OK bro? good job.

Back to the topic of this thread.

v4lu3s · 07-09-2007, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by fogie13

Unless the ****s injected into my ass i find little reason for PCT unless i start seeing titties. It's a waste of money, total f***'in spoof these forums promote just to keep these nutritional companies, which push quacked subpar clones, fat and healthy. I'm not doing it this time. If i f*** up i'll pm you so you can get to tell me, gleefully i'm sure: "Wah! told you so!" OK bro? good job.

Back to the topic of this thread.

When did supplement companies ever sell SERMs? I do not know of one yet, then again I guess it all depends on how much education about the substances you are putting into your body you have. In your case it seems your education is lacking or it is just willful ignorance.

Hell its not as if you are NOT using clones and questionable products already....do you even KNOW what is in them?

BreakingPoint8 · 07-09-2007, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by v4lu3s

When did supplement companies ever sell SERMs? I do not know of one yet, then again I guess it all depends on how much education about the substances you are putting into your body you have. In your case it seems your education is lacking or it is just willful ignorance.

Hell its not as if you are NOT using clones and questionable products already....do you even KNOW what is in them?

I agree. The two most common PCT products are the SERMs Nolvadex & Clomid. Nolvadex & Clomid are made by pharmaceutical companies and I highly doubt they personally got a hold of you and said you should really buy our product. It's great stuff. Just another situation of people doing improper prorhomone cycles, because they think they know it all.

fogie13 · 07-09-2007, 03:06 PM

Great so i see we all can handle staying on one topic at a time, good. Lets shift abit. The topic the title indicates for starters. No more SERM or PCT ****, please answer the concerns i posted at the top if you have any personal experiance.

...And I doubt NOlvadex or Clomid would be necessary for ph's that are easily bought at some off hand internet sites. For instance, Halo-50, i've done it once before, and a clone, i did the clone over 90 days later. Ran my pct firs ttime with 6-OXO along with natural trib products and support supps, next time with AX's PCT. No SERM...what happened? ONe thing i reaslized was my checking account was looking a little anemic, next i noticed i was taking what these forums claim way too seriously. Then, today, i realized i'm here sitting in front of a computer speaking to the same voices that helped me burn away over 250 dollars on needless supplements...

Again i beg of you all please just answer the concern of this thread: Side Effects of Tren products-most notably Trenadrol or Trenaplex-and Winztrol-notably Juggernaut Nutritions version. All other concerns and insightful bundles of knowledge aside. I would really really appreciate it if i don't have to read one other word on PCT. I hope thats not too much to ask for.

fogie13 · 07-09-2007, 06:56 PM

good ****^^^bump

BreakingPoint8 · 07-09-2007, 07:01 PM

Well generally when you do PH/PS cycles you make sure you don't half ass it. The proper way to do it is to have the necessary support supplements & PCT ready to go before you even take your first dosage. It's probably not best to do them if your tight on money. What would you have done if you got gyno from the Trenadrol? It is a progestin after all. With no nolvadex on hand you would have been **** out of luck my friend.

fogie13 · 07-09-2007, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BreakingPoint8

Well generally when you do PH/PS cycles you make sure you don't half ass it. The proper way to do it is to have the necessary support supplements & PCT ready to go before you even take your first dosage. It's probably not best to do them if your tight on money. What would you have done if you got gyno from the Trenadrol? It is a progestin after all. With no nolvadex on hand you would have been **** out of luck my friend.

I'm well aware of this. I've read it and heard it...listen, this is all i c on this forum. NO one hardly ever gets their innitial question answered, it all swirls down into a conversation on PCT, SERM, "go ahead and trash your body..." Who ever is making the decision to use a ph, well it's at their own discretion no? Hopefully they've researched it enough to know what's coming. Granted ok? I just want to hear testimony from those who've done Winztrol and/or Trenadrol.

I don't know why i keep getting these responses. Please someone, i don't care who you are, if you've done either of these products just answer the single one question i've asked before at the begiinning of this forum. That's it. EAsy right? You think right? EAsy, yea.

BreakingPoint8 · 07-09-2007, 07:37 PM

Yeah I think I can help you out. I used Trenadrol for a 4 week cycle.

Week 1: 6mgs daily
Week 2: 6mgs daily
Week 3: 12mgs daily
Week 4: 12mgs daily

The side effects that I experienced were lose of libido. It completely disappeared after week 2. I had slightly elevated blood pressure. Experienced more aggression than usual. Also had a fair amount of acne, but it went away when I finished my cycle.

fogie13 · 07-10-2007, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BreakingPoint8

Yeah I think I can help you out. I used Trenadrol for a 4 week cycle.

Week 1: 6mgs daily
Week 2: 6mgs daily
Week 3: 12mgs daily
Week 4: 12mgs daily

The side effects that I experienced were lose of libido. It completely disappeared after week 2. I had slightly elevated blood pressure. Experienced more aggression than usual. Also had a fair amount of acne, but it went away when I finished my cycle.

Thankyou BreakingPoint8

I wasn't banking on going for a SERM on trenadrol. If it were trenbalone absolutely, but not Tren in pill form. This is my first time investigating Tren products, and i've heard both good and bad. Kilosports Clomid (spelling) looked interesting enough, but i've used 6 OXO/Stimfree Blue up/Horny Goat Weed/support sups off halo-50/winz and i felt amazing, tappering down week by week. Libido stayed way the f*** up.

How'd you PCT off Trenadrol...and would you recommend anything to stack Trenadrol along with in order to get dry gains and lean out at the same time? Or do you think the winz is a bad idea?

I very much appreciate your input.

fratboi850 · 07-10-2007, 10:27 AM

You do know that the pill form is alot worse for you than the injectable right? Its just methylated so it has to pass through your liver several times. You dont know what your doing and your obviously are only hearing what you want to hear, but just in case you decide to quit being an idiot... you need to take nolvadex afterwards.

I love how you think that just because you can buy it on the internet its somehow safer than real AAS... have fun not getting a boner after age 30.

getbustered · 07-10-2007, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by fratboi850

You do know that the pill form is alot worse for you than the injectable right? Its just methylated so it has to pass through your liver several times. You dont know what your doing and your obviously are only hearing what you want to hear, but just in case you decide to quit being an idiot... you need to take nolvadex afterwards.

I love how you think that just because you can buy it on the internet its somehow safer than real AAS... have fun not getting a boner after age 30.

I actually just gave a presentation on designer steroids and their dangers, and this was a subject I touched on (I'm not against them by the way, it was an informative presentation).

So many people have a mental block that will not allow them to see that although these are in pill form, they are "real" steroids. I actually believe part of this comes from advertising of non-hormonal supplements that make them out to have "steroid-like" effects. Uneducated consumers assume that all this talk of steroids and pct is just more industry bull**** and outrageous claims, at their own peril.

fogie13 · 07-10-2007, 01:15 PM

Then it's time to learn no??

I admit it's tough, no matter how much you search around forums, to find static information about these substances, and you know that as well as I do.

So i'm asking anyone to assist me here: what should i do-all the info you can supply from experiance and information you've had presented to you in all legit forms-if i want to run a cycle of Trenadrol by KiloSport.

===>PCT, how to dose Trenadrol, how long...the support supps i've got down, to my knowledge...how to dose the pct...any info you can lend here of others experiances-blogs w/e-i'd greatly appreciate it if you could post it<===

i don't need to search around for a whole other year to be castigated by other individuals who know so much ****, yet reveal so little upon questioning. I know the information i seek is out there, but it seems i've not found enough to safely administer myself to a this kind of cycle. So yea, stop harping please, and start giving some utilitarian input, not high-horse criticisms.

flexmichigan · 07-10-2007, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BreakingPoint8

Well generally when you do PH/PS cycles you make sure you don't half ass it. The proper way to do it is to have the necessary support supplements & PCT ready to go before you even take your first dosage. It's probably not best to do them if your tight on money. What would you have done if you got gyno from the Trenadrol? It is a progestin after all. With no nolvadex on hand you would have been **** out of luck my friend.

I love how everyone on here is so willing to give their opinion on PCT when it is not even part of the question. It is even better when they have no idea what the **** they are talking about. Example nolvadex doesn't stop gyno from progesterone. It only blocks estrogen at the receptor site by the nipple key word estrogen not progesterone.

HockeyForLife · 07-10-2007, 01:47 PM

Now im only 99% sure, but i believe there is n such thing as a prohormone to trenbolone acetate. There are the finaplex (sp) pellets that must be converted into injectable for. I believe all the prohormone designer steroids that bear the tren name have a different structure that promotes tren like properties but is not actually tren. Myself i have used Tren X at 75mg a day with 14Ad Bold at 400 a day and say amazing size strength =10 lbs in 21 days and kept 8 after 4 months. just my 2 cents

flexmichigan · 07-10-2007, 01:50 PM

Also Most prohormones are not AAS but are precursors, 4 weeks of 30 mg a day of a wannabe tren isn't going to shut you down all that much, especially in comparison to running 800 mg a week of test for 12 weeks and even then 20 mg a day for about 3 weeks will bring you right back. Everyone is getting a little crazy on all this PCT ****, stacking like 5 products, most of the time a waste of money, and more harm than good is done.

getbustered · 07-10-2007, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by fogie13

Then it's time to learn no??

I admit it's tough, no matter how much you search around forums, to find static information about these substances, and you know that as well as I do.

So i'm asking anyone to assist me here: what should i do-all the info you can supply from experiance and information you've had presented to you in all legit forms-if i want to run a cycle of Trenadrol by KiloSport.

===>PCT, how to dose Trenadrol, how long...the support supps i've got down, to my knowledge...how to dose the pct...any info you can lend here of others experiances-blogs w/e-i'd greatly appreciate it if you could post it<===

i don't need to search around for a whole other year to be castigated by other individuals who know so much ****, yet reveal so little upon questioning. I know the information i seek is out there, but it seems i've not found enough to safely administer myself to a this kind of cycle. So yea, stop harping please, and start giving some utilitarian input, not high-horse criticisms.

I certainly wasn't trying to criticize you. My post at least was on the general state of these substances within the industry.

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Originally Posted by flexmichigan

Also Most prohormones are not AAS but are precursors,

By definition a pro-hormone undergoes conversion to its target hormone.

What you overlooked (or possibly just didn't include) in this post is that most of the orals on the market today are steroids, not ph's. For instance, pheraplex and its clones are DMT, there is no conversion required. These substances require the same pct any other steroid would. What that pct is...well that's an entirely different debate.

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Originally Posted by flexmichigan

4 weeks of 30 mg a day of a wannabe tren isn't going to shut you down all that much, especially in comparison to running 800 mg a week of test for 12 weeks and even then 20 mg a day for about 3 weeks will bring you right back. Everyone is getting a little crazy on all this PCT ****, stacking like 5 products, most of the time a waste of money, and more harm than good is done.

fratboi850 · 07-10-2007, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by flexmichigan

Also Most prohormones are not AAS but are precursors, 4 weeks of 30 mg a day of a wannabe tren isn't going to shut you down all that much, especially in comparison to running 800 mg a week of test for 12 weeks and even then 20 mg a day for about 3 weeks will bring you right back. Everyone is getting a little crazy on all this PCT ****, stacking like 5 products, most of the time a waste of money, and more harm than good is done.

...All were telling him to take is nolvadex. Why are you getting so excited? So you think he shouldnt take anything for PCT? Taking nolva post cycle will help you keep your gains by returning your normal test levels faster, bottom line. You might be able to get away without it, but sometimes you dont and why risk ruining your natural test production because you want to save $30 bucks?

Oh and 800mg/week of test for 12 weeks and then 20mg/week nolva for 3 weeks??? HA!! Thats funny... I bet your balls are the size of raisins.

vazquez · 07-10-2007, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by flexmichigan

Also Most prohormones are not AAS but are precursors, 4 weeks of 30 mg a day of a wannabe tren isn't going to shut you down all that much, especially in comparison to running 800 mg a week of test for 12 weeks and even then 20 mg a day for about 3 weeks will bring you right back. Everyone is getting a little crazy on all this PCT ****, stacking like 5 products, most of the time a waste of money, and more harm than good is done.

fm, i'm new to bb and info ph/pct. what harm is being done by taking multiple pct supp's.

getbustered · 07-10-2007, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by vazquez

fm, i'm new to bb and info ph/pct. what harm is being done by taking multiple pct supp's.

I would guess he is referring to the fact that many SERMs commonly used in PCT are liver toxic, themselves. There are also other side effects that are sometimes experienced or could be experienced by users (clomid affecting vision, etc.). If that's not what he meant, he can explain further.

By the way, most feel that a SERM is still necessary for PCT, and the benefits outweigh the potential negatives.

Forthecross11 · 07-10-2007, 02:51 PM

wrong section for this thread....

getbustered · 07-10-2007, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Forthecross11

wrong section for this thread....

Ummmm....where else would it go?

fogie13 · 07-10-2007, 05:12 PM

Breakingpoint 8's 4 week dosaging for Trenadrol is a start:

Week 1: 6mg
Week 2: 6mg
Week 3: 12mg
Week 4: 12mg

Still i've read more on 6 week cycles when using Tren products. I'm starting to believe that perhaps yea, i'll implement the nolvadex into my pct. No ones mentioned Winz; point made. All the hissing over PCT, "Nolvadex", k i'm sold on the nolvadex.
Questions:
1)What dosages for a 4 week cycle of Trenadrol PCT and what other supplements have others used along side the Nolvadex. If you've used other PCT for Trenadrol, please state which, how you dosed it, and along side what other supps did you dose it with.
2) Other dosage breakdowns for a 4 week cycle of Trenadrol? Experiances? PCT for your cycle?
3) As for the question of 4 weeks vs. 6 weeks on Trenadrol...leave me something to read IF YOU''VE ACTUALLY DONE THE TRENADROL CYCLE! If not i'd greatly appreciate a link to someone's thread if you know of one.
4)I was also wondering if anyone's tried KiloSports "Clomed." It sounds like something i may want to stack with Nolvadex-though i'm partial to 6 oxo. If the two together is even necessary say so, on account of personal experiance.

scottyk · 07-10-2007, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by fogie13

I've taken Winztrol before along side halo clones. I'm cutting now, on EC. What has anyone having done winztrol (and/or it's dubplicates) experianced. I thought i had some loss of libido, though could've been cuz i pct'd with AX PCT. I don't think i'll pct this time round, waste of money.

Additionally, i may take winz alongside Trenaplex or Trenadrol (though the later is said to be, on this forum, more toxic). The tren would hlep burn more fat and possibly add on more strenght. Still thinking about it...

Again, what are the encountered sides (not **** you've read about ok?) when using, and coming off of, winztrol....While we're on the subject, what's the sides of anyone who's usded either Trenaplex or Trenadrol.

***MOST NOTABLY!!!*** Any libido sides???

What are your stats? Before this goes any further tell us your weight hieght, and BF %....your only 21 so get off all the crap and diet and exercise....Your referring for advice and telling these people off in the same bit....change your diaper and go diet and exercise!

fogie13 · 07-10-2007, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by scottyk

What are your stats? Before this goes any further tell us your weight hieght, and BF %....your only 21 so get off all the crap and diet and exercise....Your referring for advice and telling these people off in the same bit....change your diaper and go diet and exercise!

Age: 25 Height 5'8" Weight 157-163. BF% around 10. My lifes a diet. 4 years lifting.

You going to **** your pants twice today? ****, breath.

scottyk · 07-10-2007, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by fogie13

Age: 25 Height 5'8" Weight 157-163. BF% around 10. My lifes a diet. 4 years lifting.

You going to **** your pants twice today? ****, breath.

If your diet and lifting is perfectly in check then why do you need the andro?
If your life was REALLY a diet, you would be content down your merry path of "eating and exercising right".

your LIFE ISNT a diet because your gulping down supplements so you can keep slacking on your diet....
If you are 10% BF, then why are you cutting?
Dont feel bad, I went down the same road....

Steve0178 · 07-10-2007, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by fogie13

I've taken Winztrol before along side halo clones. I'm cutting now, on EC. What has anyone having done winztrol (and/or it's dubplicates) experianced. I thought i had some loss of libido, though could've been cuz i pct'd with AX PCT. I don't think i'll pct this time round, waste of money.

Additionally, i may take winz alongside Trenaplex or Trenadrol (though the later is said to be, on this forum, more toxic). The tren would hlep burn more fat and possibly add on more strenght. Still thinking about it...

Again, what are the encountered sides (not **** you've read about ok?) when using, and coming off of, winztrol....While we're on the subject, what's the sides of anyone who's usded either Trenaplex or Trenadrol.

***MOST NOTABLY!!!*** Any libido sides???

Alright let me help you out here.
1: what can you expect from this cycle?
a lot of shut down, increased bp, sleeplessness, libidio issues, possible joint problems, VERY DRY, lots of strength inrease, very hard muscles, and a loss in body fat.
2: tren does not burn fat but it is very potent so you will lean up.
3: as said already, not doing a PCT is a very bad idea. Yeah its a pill but dont you know that PHs are harder on your body than injectables?

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Originally Posted by fogie13

Unless the ****s injected into my ass i find little reason for PCT unless i start seeing titties. It's a waste of money, total f***'in spoof these forums promote just to keep these nutritional companies, which push quacked subpar clones, fat and healthy. I'm not doing it this time. If i f*** up i'll pm you so you can get to tell me, gleefully i'm sure: "Wah! told you so!" OK bro? good job.

Back to the topic of this thread.

Another bad idea...injectables are safer than Phs.

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Originally Posted by flexmichigan

Also Most prohormones are not AAS but are precursors, 4 weeks of 30 mg a day of a wannabe tren isn't going to shut you down all that much, especially in comparison to running 800 mg a week of test for 12 weeks and even then 20 mg a day for about 3 weeks will bring you right back. Everyone is getting a little crazy on all this PCT ****, stacking like 5 products, most of the time a waste of money, and more harm than good is done.

Just for reffernce, i was more shut down after a week of trenadrol then i am now on 500mg of sust and im 5 weeks in. Dont take this stuff lightly...i talk from experience