Bent Barbell Rows and T Bar Rows

[Carlito99]

Do these exercises hit different parts of the back? I'm talkin about bent barbell rows where your upper body is parallel with the floor, and t bar rows where your upper body is at a 45 degree angle with the floor. They are basically the same motion...just with different angles so I'm curious as to this.

I need 3 back exercises that work the back differently. I have bent barbell rows and lat pull downs. I need a 3rd that will work them differently than those 2 (I already do deadlifts, so not those). Would the t bar rows be good, or should I do something else?

Thanks

[ripcurl123]

chin ups , chin up behind the neck

[ironlynxtk]

sure, they will work slightly different areas. Its just like incline bench and normal bench.

The different angle will hit a slightly different area, I believe T bars will hit the middle, upper, and parallel bent over rows will hit the general middle area of your back.

you can also try machine work like cable rows using different handle attachments, close-grip, wide-grip etc.. and by doing that you will hit different parts also.

edit: completely parallel to the ground bb rows are pendlay rows - also pretty good

[liftingbuddy1]

Yo. First off, you shouldn't be parallel when doing barbell rows, thats a common mistake ppl make, be like 80 degress. And I think they hit the same muscle in the back, just at a slightly diff. angle, not to mention that the t-bar is stabilized alrdy unlike barbell rows. And I think for your third back exercise you should do seated cable rows or DB Rows. (On db rows pull to your chest)

[domenickb]

Originally Posted by liftingbuddy1

Yo. First off, you shouldn't be parallel when doing barbell rows, thats a common mistake ppl make, be like 80 degress. And I think they hit the same muscle in the back, just at a slightly diff. angle, not to mention that the t-bar is stabilized alrdy unlike barbell rows. And I think for your third back exercise you should do seated cable rows or DB Rows. (On db rows pull to your chest)

Unless he is doing Pendlay Rows.

[mmondo13]

I would do seated cable rows over DB rows. I worked back today, and I dont think Im doing DB rows anymore. I really dont feel them in my back. Heres my routine.

-lat pull downs
-T-bar rows
-seated cable rows
-bent BB rows
-HM strength pull downs

[2 HUGE]

no two exercises work any muscle the EXACT same way. bb rows and t bar rows depending on grip can work the back very similarly BUT with different angles. Its good to have variety, just make sure it's balanced, something like this:

deads
bb rows
t bar rows
lat pulldowns
bb shrugs
pullups

[Mernalous]

Originally Posted by Carlito99

Do these exercises hit different parts of the back? I'm talkin about bent barbell rows where your upper body is parallel with the floor, and t bar rows where your upper body is at a 45 degree angle with the floor. They are basically the same motion...just with different angles so I'm curious as to this.

I need 3 back exercises that work the back differently. I have bent barbell rows and lat pull downs. I need a 3rd that will work them differently than those 2 (I already do deadlifts, so not those). Would the t bar rows be good, or should I do something else?

Thanks

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edit: you allready do deadlifts... then you have your 3 excercises there. Deadlift, tbar/bent over row and lat pull down, so why are you asking for a 3rd? :S

[Carlito99]

Originally Posted by Mernalous

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edit: you allready do deadlifts... then you have your 3 excercises there. Deadlift, tbar/bent over row and lat pull down, so why are you asking for a 3rd? :S

lol my bad...i meant i need a fourth. I work back twice a week, so one day i do 3 sets of deadlifts and bent rows for 5 reps. And on the 2nd day I do 3 sets of lat pull downs and 3 sets of something else (what i'm looking for in this thread) for 10 reps.

How about reverse grip t-bar rows?

[MrSinister]

reverse grip? t-bar rows are done normally with a hammer grip and i doubt you want to reverse that.
Seated cable rows should be thrown in there for sure.
btw, replace pulldowns with pullups, even if u have to do them assisted

[Carlito99]

Originally Posted by MrSinister

reverse grip? t-bar rows are done normally with a hammer grip and i doubt you want to reverse that.
Seated cable rows should be thrown in there for sure.
btw, replace pulldowns with pullups, even if u have to do them assisted

With the t-bar row machine in my gym, there are 2 different sets of handles. 1 is the hammer grip one, and the other one is as if you were doing barbell rows..where you can have a pronated or supinated grip. Also, I hate the seated cable row machine we have. They got rid of the good one.

[Andrew69]

Originally Posted by liftingbuddy1

Yo. First off, you shouldn't be parallel when doing barbell rows, thats a common mistake ppl make, be like 80 degress.

And the reason is what???

[TheGreatPrince]

Originally Posted by Carlito99

They are basically the same motion...just with different angles so I'm curious as to this.

They shift emphasize and the main difference is how much the scapulae has to contract. The more it has to contract (as in wider-grip back movements), the more your rhomboids/traps are involved, the narrower the grip (ie; hammer), the less those muscles are used and the more your actual lats come into play. Rows where you're parallel to the floor is a nice balance between the two because you have to arch your lower back harder to keep you parallel and this will call on your lats to fully contract but you'll get the same scapulae involvement as you would with the wider-grip rows.

[MrSinister]

Originally Posted by Carlito99

With the t-bar row machine in my gym, there are 2 different sets of handles. 1 is the hammer grip one, and the other one is as if you were doing barbell rows..where you can have a pronated or supinated grip. Also, I hate the seated cable row machine we have. They got rid of the good one.

ahh the machine..
in that case do both, each slightly hits a different area.. the wider grip imo is better for middle back lower traps, the closer hammer grip would be better for lats.. that machine is a pain really, id stick to freeweights.. wait till u get strong on it and the weight pulling you towards the bench starts to crush your chest and affect breathing for the set

[Duckenheimer]

I doubt the veracity and judgement of someone honestly thinking they 'need' 3 exercises for back AS WELL as the deadlift unless they're already well developed and huge and know their body well...

Still, try Incline shrugs. Most people lack thickness in that mid trap/upper back area. And incline shrugs are ****in' glorious.

[Carlito99]

Originally Posted by Duckenheimer

I doubt the veracity and judgement of someone honestly thinking they 'need' 3 exercises for back AS WELL as the deadlift unless they're already well developed and huge and know their body well...

Still, try Incline shrugs. Most people lack thickness in that mid trap/upper back area. And incline shrugs are ****in' glorious.

I don't 'need' 3 exercises in addition to deadlifts...I just want 3. Like I said above, I train back twice a week with 2 exercises each time. I'd rather do 3 sets of 2 diff exercises than 6 sets of the same one. That's just my personal preference

[dethmetalanimal]

Originally Posted by Carlito99

lol my bad...i meant i need a fourth. I work back twice a week, so one day i do 3 sets of deadlifts and bent rows for 5 reps. And on the 2nd day I do 3 sets of lat pull downs and 3 sets of something else (what i'm looking for in this thread) for 10 reps.

How about reverse grip t-bar rows?

how about First Back Day:

Rows
Pulldowns


Second Back Day:

Deads
Pullups/Chins





i also love cable rows and the reverse peck deck.

[D-Y]

Shrugs are a back exercise...

[Carlito99]

Originally Posted by D-Y

Shrugs are a back exercise...

lol yea i know, but i keep traps as it's own bodypart in my splits. sometimes i'll train it with shoulders, sometimes with back. but i have enough opinions on here now. i'll probably just add in some pull ups. I'm pretty heavy so I can't do many of them but i'll work my way up.

thanks everyone

[MrSinister]

Originally Posted by D-Y

Shrugs are a back exercise...

i consider them shoulders

[59kg_weakling]

I thought I'd ask my question here rather than start a new thread.

I only posses a 5' BB at the moment. Can I do long bar rows with this? If so what should I look out for since the bar is underlength?