Thoughts and Opinions (Louie Simmons)

MJB · 10-21-2004, 02:27 PM

I am curious as to what your thoughts are on this interview with LS (Louie Simmons - Westside Barbell). I will give Louie a call in the next few days to obtain dosages and much more specific information and his reasoning and theories behind his usage.
Thanks,
MJB

NM: What is your stance on the use of steroids?

LS: The dangers are way overrated. It's corticoid steroids that they inject football players with every day that will kill you! Personally, I've done anabolic steroids straight for the last 28 years.

NM: Do you cycle?

LS: No, I stay on. I don't believe in periodization in training, either. I use mostly anabolics like Equipoise and Laurabolin until it's time for a competition, and then I do the harder androgens. I do not take Anadrol. I've never had any problems. I know guys who take much more than I do, to the point where you can call it abuse, and they don't seem to have any problems, either. There's no possible way I can train the way I do without taking anabolics, but the same techniques of training apply even if you're natural. I've also used the andro products and find that they give a greater boost in aggression than steroids! At least temporarily. I use them right before training.

Thanks,
MJB

Intalex81 · 10-21-2004, 02:36 PM

28 years straight? wow

MJB · 10-25-2004, 02:01 AM

TTT

Does anyone have any opinions on running low doses of Equipose (say 300mg per week or 100mg EOD) for long periods of time? Especially from a powerlifters perspective, where I train up to 10-12 sessions per week, usually 5 main workouts plus 5-7 extra workouts per week. Running those dosages until a month out from my one main meet per year and then run a short 4 week cycle based on a short ester test. Then PCT suitable for chosen cycle, 2 months off of AAS, back on low doses of equipose only. Just giving some general ideas, I have much more research to do on this subject.

Thanks,
MJB

erlend · 10-25-2004, 02:12 AM

There are people who seemingly have no sides from AAS, even when running them for a long time, at high dose. This does not mean that they dont have bad sides. They may just be ignored in favour of the benefits the individual experiences.
However, noone should assume that this might work in their own situation. Everybody are different, and some will have serious sides.

The take home message to the noobs (like I am not one myself...) is to take everything with a grain of salt, and play it safe. A pro might want to sacrifice more than the general amature, to a point. "We" should put safety a little higher in these matters.

MJB · 10-25-2004, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by erlend

There are people who seemingly have no sides from AAS, even when running them for a long time, at high dose. This does not mean that they dont have bad sides. They may just be ignored in favour of the benefits the individual experiences.
However, noone should assume that this might work in their own situation. Everybody are different, and some will have serious sides.

The take home message to the noobs (like I am not one myself...) is to take everything with a grain of salt, and play it safe. A pro might want to sacrifice more than the general amature, to a point. "We" should put safety a little higher in these matters.

Thanks for the reply. My main intention of the post was to get opinions on the use of "mildier" androgens for extended periods, with main focus on strength.

MJB

erlend · 10-25-2004, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MJB

TTT

Does anyone have any opinions on running low doses of EQ (say 300mg per week or 100mg EOD) for long periods of time? Especially from a powerlifters perspective, where I train up to 10-12 sessions per week, usually 5 main workouts plus 5-7 extra workouts per week. Running those dosages until a month out from my one main meet per year and then run a short 4 week cycle based on a short ester test. Then PCT suitable for chosen cycle, 2 months off of AAS, back on low doses of EQ only. Just giving some general ideas, I have much more research to do on this subject.

Thanks,
MJB

This would, pretty inevitably, lead to a shutdown of endogenous androgens, and various associated sides to occur. With only a few weeks a year with testosterone in the system, some vital functions will pretty sure suffer.

PROT · 10-25-2004, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by erlend

This would, pretty inevitably, lead to a shutdown of endogenous androgens, and various associated sides to occur. With only a few weeks a year with testosterone in the system, some vital functions will pretty sure suffer.

and I doubt you even read the original post. Dangers are way overrated and lots of guys never come off and do fine...

PlantUrTulips · 10-25-2004, 10:19 AM

I certainly wouldn't stay on that long. Too much of a good thing can hurt you IMO. A beer, for instance, won't hurt you if you get drunk every once in a while; But get drunk everyday and you'll end up with sirosis (sp) of the liver. My x-roommate's father is 52 and having his stomach drained on a daily basis because his liver shut down from drinking beer everyday for 30 years. He will die soon. Call me paranoid or cautious, but I like my health.

Number69 · 10-25-2004, 05:39 PM

His liver might be able to handle 28years of injectables and on and off orals, but his loins must be more barren than the Sahara.

Cerbinator · 10-25-2004, 06:33 PM

I know a guy who is around 40 and has been taking steroids for over 20 years. He stays on lower doses of test full time(500 mg/wk), and occasionally he stacks other stuff with it. After doing it for a while, you probably have no more natural test production, so that is a major downside.

If you have the $$ to spend on steroids year round, then it's an option I suppose. He tells me he has never had even a single side effect from anabolics in all his years. He even recommended I skip PCT haha. I don't really agree with his methods, but the dude is big so I guess it works for some people.