where in the bible does Jesus tell people to kill non-Christians?

[karzma]

?Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him.? (Hadith Al Buhkari vol. 9:57)
?Slay the idolators [non-Muslims] wherever ye find them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the last Day?. Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! (Sura 9:5,29,41).
?Therefore grant a delay to the Unbelievers: Give respite to them gently (for awhile).? Sura 86:17
?I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, none has the right to be worshipped but Allah? (Al Bukhari vol. 4:196).
Sura 5:51: ?O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he among you that turns to them for friendship is of them.?
?What, do you desire to guide him whom God has led astray? Whom God leads astray, thou wilt not find for him a way [of salvation]. They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as a friend or helper. (Arberry, Interpreted p.113)
Sura 4:89 ?seize them and slay them wherever you find them: and in any case take no friends or helpers from their ranks.?
8:59-60 ?Let not the unbelievers think that they can get the better (of the godly): they will never frustrate (them). Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of God and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom God doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of God, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.?
?War is prescribed to you: but from this ye are averse.? (Sura 2:212).
Sura 2:187-189 ?And kill them wherever ye shall find them, and eject them from whatever place they have ejected you; for civil discord is worse than carnage: yet attack them not at the sacred Mosque, unless they attack you therein; but if they attack you, slay them. Such the reward of the infidels...Fight therefore against them until there be no more civil discord, and the only worship be that of God: but if they desist, then let there be no hostility, save against the wicked.?
?Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.? (Hadith 9:45; 84.2.57.)
Sura 9:29-33 ?Make war upon such of those to whom the Scriptures have been given as believe not in God, or in the last day, and who forbid not that which God and His Apostle have forbidden, and who profess not the profession of the truth, until they pay tribute out of hand, and they be humbled.?
Sura 8:15 ?O ye who believe! when ye meet the Unbelievers preparing for battle do not turn your backs to them. [Anyone who does] shall incur the wrath of God, and Hell shall be his home,- an evil dwelling (indeed)!?
Sura 8:57 ?So if you gain the mastery over them in war, punish them severely in order to disperse those who are behind them, so that they may learn a lesson.?
Sura 8:65 ?O Messenger! Rouse the Believers among you to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish two thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are people without understanding.? In other words those who believe not in Allah are not equal to those who do.?
Sura 8:67 ?It is not fitting for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he has made a great slaughter in the land.?
Sura 4:95 ?Allah has granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit at home.?
Sura 9:14 ?Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you to victory over them, heal the breasts of the Believers.? Fight (kill) them (non-Muslims), and God will punish, (torment) them by your hands, cover them with shame. (Surah 9:14 at-Taubah 9:14)
Sura 4:168: ?Those who reject [Islamic] Faith, Allah will not forgive them nor guide them to any path except the way to Hell, to dwell therein forever. And this to Allah is easy.?
Sura 9:123: ?Believers! wage war against such of the infidels as are your neighbours, and let them find you rigorous: and know that God is with those who fear him



ok so the above proves that islam is an evil religion (it doesn't matter how much good is in it, 1 drop of evil turns a gallon of good into evil)


all we need is quotes of jesus telling people to kill non-christians and we will have proven that BOTH RELIGIONS are evil.

[tom288]

Sorry to disappoint, there arent any. Remember, Let he who is without sin cast the first stone...Jesus doesnt advocate anything like that.

[US_Ranger]

Do you believe Jesus was a pacifist and that true followers would also be pacifists?

If you don't believe that, then you have to agree that killing non-Christians would be justified in certain situations (self defense, war, police action, etc)

[matt555]

Look into the old testament.

"I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of
your children." (Leviticus 26:22)

"The Lord commands: "... slay old men outright, young men and
maidens, little children and women" (Ezechial 9:4-6)

"The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have
rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their
little ones will be dashed to the ground, their women with child
ripped open." (Hosea 13:16)

12.10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die, because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. (Deuteronomy)

So plenty of blood in the Bible as well. I'm not saying one or the other religion is THE right one, I'm just saying you can easily show both God and Allah brutal and cruel, if that's your intention.

[paolo59]

In the "New Testament" you will find no references to such a thing.

[matt555]

And so we must admit there's a possibility the Muslims (or any other religion) as well do not wish to kill everyone in their way? I'm not an expert about Islam, but even the Bible is filled with things I dislike. You simply cannot ignore the Old Testament, it's a work of the same God. You cannot believe in something and at the same time ignore something else. Even "new" promises don't sound right to me. For instance:

(Rev 14:7) He said in a loud voice, "Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgement has come. Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea and the springs of water."

If it's eternal life he's offering me for giving him glory, I don't want it. If he wants me to burn in hell for all the eternity for not believing in him, well that's just plain sadistic.

[paul_v]

The Old testament is Earth without Christ. God wanted to make sure we knew the importance of a savior and what would happen to us because of sin. Everyone, even the Pope... even Billy Graham... falls short of the glory of God. Jesus is the bridge to God and only "rebirth" through Him will we go to Heaven.

[paul_v]

Originally Posted by matt555

If it's eternal life he's offering me for giving him glory, I don't want it. If he wants me to burn in hell for all the eternity for not believing in him, well that's just plain sadistic.

God's sadistic? You're the one making the choice

[matt555]

Yes, but the SAME God who told them to kill non-believers will bring us (here, I mean the Christians, not me) salvation? Who did Jesus die for? For all the people or for only the people who believe in your God? If the latter, he cannot possibly be MY savior. So your God will punish me for not believing in him.. sounds a lot like the Old Testament, doesn't it? And since it does, why blame Allah, then, if he wanted to do the same to the people that don't believe in him?

[Heavily Armed]

Originally Posted by matt555

Yes, but the SAME God who told them to kill non-believers will bring us (here, I mean the Christians, not me) salvation? Who did Jesus die for? For all the people or for only the people who believe in your God? If the latter, he cannot possibly be MY savior. So your God will punish me for not believing in him.. sounds a lot like the Old Testament, doesn't it? And since it does, why blame Allah, then, if he wanted to do the same to the people that don't believe in him?

Jesus died so that everyone would be offered the gift salvation through his sacrifice. It's up to the individual to accept or reject this gift.

The OT offers instances of war and breaking the law for killing and punishment. Just as our laws do. There's a vast difference between killing in war, self-defense and capitol punishment for committed crimes and murdering because someone's faith is different than yours. But the question posed in this thread was pertaining to Jesus.

[Ruhanv]

The NT does actually advocate violence and I will quote from Biblical Scholar Richard Carrier who puts this so well:

Mat 10:34

"Quite simply, if we are allowed to interpret the bible as saying something exactly the opposite of what it plainly says, then we can pretend the bible says anything and everything, whatever we want. Using the same method I can say, with equal merit, that the Bible predicts Einstein's Theory of Relativity, advocates pedophilia, demands the regular consumption of Orange Crush, commands that little girls be crushed to death who play with dolls, and provides the world's greatest recipe for pepperoni pizza.

But all the while, I would be compelled to heed my own words, in the very essay to which you respond:

"It does no good to try in desperation to make excuses for it. A good and wise man's message would not need excuses."

Or, as I also say there, "It is plagued with a general obscurity and ambiguity" that condemns it as inferior, even dangerous--precisely because it can be interpreted to mean anything. The Nazis found in the Bible support for the extermination of the Jews. Southern slave owners found support for the brutalizing enslavement of blacks. The Inquisition found support for the burning of witches. And god-fearing Christians even today find in it support for the assassination of doctors, and state-sponsored religious coercion.

That's the general point. Now the specific point. What I mean by quoting the sword verse is not something you need guess at--the very next words in my essay make clear what I meant: the principle of "setting even families against each other." And that is, after all, explicitly in the Bible. Accordingly, I took "sword" as a metaphor for strife and division, not necessarily marching orders for war. I will quote the passage at length, the very words of Jesus himself:

"Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven. Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law--a man's enemies will be the members of his own household. Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me"

The context is unmistakable: Jesus (or, rather, the fictional character the author wants us to believe is Jesus) intends his teachings to create strife and division, to tear up families, and destroy the foundation of love upon which society sustains itself, and in its place secure the universal rejection of human society in favor of single-minded pledge of love and allegiance to jesus christ (which translates in practical terms to love and allegiance for the church whose propaganda this Gospel represents). All for the single purpose of selfishly securing salvation for the individual after death.

The words are plain: "I did not come to bring peace." That means what it says: he is not preaching peace. That does not mean he is calling for war in a military sense, so much as cultural and social war, which can be just as violent, but even when eschewing violence can be just as destructive. Hence in the parallel passage in Luke (12:49-53) he says: "I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! ..." Thus, the passage pertains to something he wishes to happen, not anything that saddens him or that he wants to stop. So he continues, "Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law."

Whatever you want this to mean is irrelevant: what the text plainly says is immoral and reprehensible, and certainly not admirable. If that is not what God meant, then he should have said what he meant and not something exactly the opposite. Any half-wise human would, so God can have no excuse. The Jesus character portrayed here is demanding that we place him above all other humans, and engage in destructive combativeness with everyone, even our own kin, over questions of religious allegiance. It does not matter if this has been spuriously interpolated amidst some supposedly genuine collection of sayings. It is impossible now to distinguish interpolations from genuine sayings. If there was a true Jesus, we cannot really know what he said about anything. Even what the Gospel authors portray him as saying is full of contradictions, as it represents many layers of redaction and tradition cobbled together over time, or appropriated and toyed with by this or that author. And it does not matter if it meant something else, because any text worth our admiration would say what it meant, not something else instead.

Basically, the more Christians try to make excuses for their book, the more they claim it must mean the exact opposite of what it says, the more they condemn it as unworthy of our attention."

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Nuff said.

[paul_v]

Originally Posted by Ruhanv

The NT does actually advocate violence and I will quote from Biblical Scholar Richard Carrier who puts this so well:

Mat 10:34


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Nuff said.

Yep it's a tough choice and it happens all the time. I left the Catholic church when I became born again and my mother hated it but she didn't hate me. has it caused division in my family...yeah but not to the point of destruction. A division can be as simple as a disagreement. But you also have to remember something...a sword is a weapon that requires someone to wield it. The wielder is the true believer and the sword is the Word of God. Read Paul's letter to the Ephesians and you will get more insight on this. Don't rely on some other guy's opinion. Read it and decide for yourself.

[paul_v]

Originally Posted by matt555

Yes, but the SAME God who told them to kill non-believers will bring us (here, I mean the Christians, not me) salvation? Who did Jesus die for? For all the people or for only the people who believe in your God? If the latter, he cannot possibly be MY savior. So your God will punish me for not believing in him.. sounds a lot like the Old Testament, doesn't it? And since it does, why blame Allah, then, if he wanted to do the same to the people that don't believe in him?

yes, believe it or not, Jesus died for you as well. He died for all of us. Jesus prayed and asked the Lord to "forgive them Father, for they know not what they do" while he was dieing on the cross! That is simply amazing! Jesus was not only talking to the pharisees (sp?) but to the doubters and unbelievers such as yourself! You are forgiven for everything you have done..past present and future. You just have to accept that Jesus died for that bvery reason! If you don't accept that then that is your choice. There is nothing a person can do about it...except pray for you And I hope you don't mind that I will pray for you

[Bread]

Originally Posted by Ruhanv

The NT does actually advocate violence and I will quote from Biblical Scholar Richard Carrier who puts this so well:

Mat 10:34

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Nuff said.

Matthew 10:34 ?Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace but a sword. 10:35 For I have come to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law, 10:36 and a man?s enemies will be the members of his household.

This is not to encourage violence. To follow Jesus is to follow truth and justice and as disciples we are called to preach this and correct the wrong even within our own families. If the "sword" was to encourage violence then it would not only be out of context but also contradictory because Jesus said to Peter when he actually takes out his sword,

Matt 26:52- Then Jesus said to him, "Put your sword back into its place, for all those who take the sword will die by the sword"

In other words he who lives by violence and destruction will die by violence and destruction.

[ElderJefferson]

Originally Posted by Ruhanv

The NT does actually advocate violence and I will quote from Biblical Scholar Richard Carrier who puts this so well:

Mat 10:34

Nuff said.

That reference is ridiculous, and even you know it. Pathetic.

I didn't take the time to read through this thread (as I couldn't stomach most of it), but to attempt to paint God as violent is a rather daunting and spin-doctoring task. On top of that, the way some of the posters in this forum interpret the Bible, it's best if they just put the Book down and go on about their merry way.

"7Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people. " Isaiah 56:7

The worship of God is inclusive, not exclusive.

[nnjj112255kkllo9]

Originally Posted by ElderJefferson

... but to attempt to paint God as violent is a rather daunting and spin-doctoring task...."

You obviously havent read leviticus, deuteronomy, or judges. (of course you havent, you are a christian and we know how many christians have actually read and studied their religion)

I am tired of having to explain to christians and show them verses over the book the explains their religion, and then they argue w/ me over what it says.

[Dig]

The OP is just as bad as the mainstream media. The OP quoted Sura 9:5 otherwise known as The Verse of the Sword. This is what he posted.

?Slay the idolators [non-Muslims] wherever ye find them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush.

He leaves out a good bit while quoting it.

9:5 When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful.



The OP also omitted a good bit in his quotes from 9:29 and 9:41 as you can see below.

[9:29] You shall fight back against those who do not believe in GOD, nor in the Last Day, nor do they prohibit what GOD and His messenger have prohibited, nor do they abide by the religion of truth - among those who received the scripture - until they pay the due tax, willingly or unwillingly.

[9:41] You shall readily mobilize, light or heavy, and strive with your money and your lives in the cause of GOD. This is better for you, if you only knew.

If you all take a look at the rest of his "quotes," you will see that he omits a great deal of information that justifies or makes the quotes less "juicy."

[ElderJefferson]

Originally Posted by agno

You obviously havent read leviticus, deuteronomy, or judges. (of course you havent, you are a christian and we know how many christians have actually read and studied their religion)

Neg on recharge

I am tired of having to explain to christians and show them verses over the book the explains their religion

Then shut up and quit trying to educate the educated, because no one is buying your crap anyway.

[nnjj112255kkllo9]

Originally Posted by ElderJefferson

Neg on recharge





Then shut up and quit trying to educate the educated, because no one is buying your crap anyway.

Im trying to educate the uneducated. You and the rest of the 99% of christian population have no idea what the bible says or where you religion came from. And when you hear historical facts you choose not to believe them. I would love to here your education back ground (graduate highschool w/ a 1.7 nicely rounded off with your B in wood shop class?)

[ElderJefferson]

Originally Posted by agno

Im trying to educate the uneducated. You and the rest of the 99% of christian population have no idea what the bible says or where you religion came from. And when you hear historical facts you choose not to believe them. I would love to here your education back ground (graduate highschool w/ a 1.7 nicely rounded off with your B in wood shop class?)

Since you won't go away, I'll force you away. Ignored.

[Ruhanv]

Originally Posted by ElderJefferson

That reference is ridiculous, and even you know it. Pathetic.

I didn't take the time to read through this thread (as I couldn't stomach most of it), but to attempt to paint God as violent is a rather daunting and spin-doctoring task.

I am sorry but that is ridiculous. The God of the Bible is nothing but violent.

Go read the quote by Richard Carrier as there was a reason I posted it. Try to stomach it. Reality bites.

[Ruhanv]

Originally Posted by Bread

Matthew 10:34 ?Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace but a sword. 10:35 For I have come to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law, 10:36 and a man?s enemies will be the members of his household.

This is not to encourage violence. To follow Jesus is to follow truth and justice and as disciples we are called to preach this and correct the wrong even within our own families. If the "sword" was to encourage violence then it would not only be out of context but also contradictory because Jesus said to Peter when he actually takes out his sword,

Matt 26:52- Then Jesus said to him, "Put your sword back into its place, for all those who take the sword will die by the sword"

In other words he who lives by violence and destruction will die by violence and destruction.

I have highlighted the important part of your post. The fact is that the NT is contradictory and Matthew 10:34 has been used to justify everything from the Inquisition to Apartheid.

[Ruhanv]

Originally Posted by paul_v

Yep it's a tough choice and it happens all the time. I left the Catholic church when I became born again and my mother hated it but she didn't hate me. has it caused division in my family...yeah but not to the point of destruction. A division can be as simple as a disagreement. But you also have to remember something...a sword is a weapon that requires someone to wield it. The wielder is the true believer and the sword is the Word of God. Read Paul's letter to the Ephesians and you will get more insight on this. Don't rely on some other guy's opinion. Read it and decide for yourself.

Everyone is relying on someone else's opinion, even if you don't realise it. There is nothing new under the sun.

[ElderJefferson]

Originally Posted by Ruhanv

I am sorry but that is ridiculous. The God of the Bible is nothing but violent.

This is why I've stopped contemplating your posts.

[ElderJefferson]

Originally Posted by Ruhanv

I have highlighted the important part of your post. The fact is that the NT is contradictory and Matthew 10:34 has been used to justify everything from the Inquisition to Apartheid.

Justification does not equate to intention. I can use anything to justify my actions if I just "twist" it enough.

It's still a pathetic verse to use in an attempt to show Jesus as violent. A half-hearted read of the passage would reveal it to be so.

[tom288]

Don't think I've come to make life cozy. I've come to cut—make a sharp knife-cut between son and father, daughter and mother, bride and mother-in-law—cut through these cozy domestic arrangements and free you for God. Well-meaning family members can be your worst enemies. If you prefer father or mother over me, you don't deserve me. If you prefer son or daughter over me, you don't deserve me.
Thats Matthew 10:34 in the Message Bible

What this scripture says is that following Christ is not going to unify the world. The world is in sin, that includes us and our family. When we decide to follow Christ, there will be friction, we will lose relationships. Ive lost relationships with "friends" due to my walk with Christ. Same can happen with family. If you truly gave your life to God, then He is the most important thing to you, not what your parents or kids think. This isn't saying Christ is intentionally separating families, He's just warning it will happen because other people, even family members, will not always be receptive to one's decision to follow Christ.

[tom288]

Originally Posted by agno

Im trying to educate the uneducated. You and the rest of the 99% of christian population have no idea what the bible says or where you religion came from. And when you hear historical facts you choose not to believe them. I would love to here your education back ground (graduate highschool w/ a 1.7 nicely rounded off with your B in wood shop class?)

What is your educational background? I can assure mine goes beyond the 1.7 H.S. GPA.

Also, one who possesses true intelligence usually does not make generalized assumptions or ignorant statements, two aspects covered in your 99% of Christians quote.

[Germanic]

Originally Posted by karzma

?Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him.? (Hadith Al Buhkari vol. 9:57)
?Slay the idolators [non-Muslims] wherever ye find them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the last Day?. Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! (Sura 9:5,29,41).
?Therefore grant a delay to the Unbelievers: Give respite to them gently (for awhile).? Sura 86:17
?I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, none has the right to be worshipped but Allah? (Al Bukhari vol. 4:196).
Sura 5:51: ?O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he among you that turns to them for friendship is of them.?
?What, do you desire to guide him whom God has led astray? Whom God leads astray, thou wilt not find for him a way [of salvation]. They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as a friend or helper. (Arberry, Interpreted p.113)
Sura 4:89 ?seize them and slay them wherever you find them: and in any case take no friends or helpers from their ranks.?
8:59-60 ?Let not the unbelievers think that they can get the better (of the godly): they will never frustrate (them). Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of God and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom God doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of God, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.?
?War is prescribed to you: but from this ye are averse.? (Sura 2:212).
Sura 2:187-189 ?And kill them wherever ye shall find them, and eject them from whatever place they have ejected you; for civil discord is worse than carnage: yet attack them not at the sacred Mosque, unless they attack you therein; but if they attack you, slay them. Such the reward of the infidels...Fight therefore against them until there be no more civil discord, and the only worship be that of God: but if they desist, then let there be no hostility, save against the wicked.?
?Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.? (Hadith 9:45; 84.2.57.)
Sura 9:29-33 ?Make war upon such of those to whom the Scriptures have been given as believe not in God, or in the last day, and who forbid not that which God and His Apostle have forbidden, and who profess not the profession of the truth, until they pay tribute out of hand, and they be humbled.?
Sura 8:15 ?O ye who believe! when ye meet the Unbelievers preparing for battle do not turn your backs to them. [Anyone who does] shall incur the wrath of God, and Hell shall be his home,- an evil dwelling (indeed)!?
Sura 8:57 ?So if you gain the mastery over them in war, punish them severely in order to disperse those who are behind them, so that they may learn a lesson.?
Sura 8:65 ?O Messenger! Rouse the Believers among you to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish two thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are people without understanding.? In other words those who believe not in Allah are not equal to those who do.?
Sura 8:67 ?It is not fitting for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he has made a great slaughter in the land.?
Sura 4:95 ?Allah has granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit at home.?
Sura 9:14 ?Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you to victory over them, heal the breasts of the Believers.? Fight (kill) them (non-Muslims), and God will punish, (torment) them by your hands, cover them with shame. (Surah 9:14 at-Taubah 9:14)
Sura 4:168: ?Those who reject [Islamic] Faith, Allah will not forgive them nor guide them to any path except the way to Hell, to dwell therein forever. And this to Allah is easy.?
Sura 9:123: ?Believers! wage war against such of the infidels as are your neighbours, and let them find you rigorous: and know that God is with those who fear him



ok so the above proves that islam is an evil religion (it doesn't matter how much good is in it, 1 drop of evil turns a gallon of good into evil)


all we need is quotes of jesus telling people to kill non-christians and we will have proven that BOTH RELIGIONS are evil.

Well, I don't know about quotes, but how about the christians that slaughtered men, women, and children in the crusades? How about militant christians throughout history who have slaughtered pagans, gays, muslims, "witches", etc? I dunno, mass murder seems pretty evil to me. But of course, mass murder is NOTHING compared to torturing billions of people for all eternity, like the loving and merciful God promises us.

GG owned.

[guest89]

Originally Posted by smj5351

Well, I don't know about quotes, but how about the christians that slaughtered men, women, and children in the crusades? How about militant christians throughout history who have slaughtered pagans, gays, muslims, "witches", etc? I dunno, mass murder seems pretty evil to me. But of course, mass murder is NOTHING compared to torturing billions of people for all eternity, like the loving and merciful God promises us.

GG owned.

But the Bible doesn't condone any of that. The 'Christians' who did that did it under their own authority and used religion as an excuse.

[solidus2k3]

Originally Posted by guest89

But the Bible doesn't condone any of that. The 'Christians' who did that did it under their own authority and used religion as an excuse.

of course they did... the fact is that they still did it.