Christian Activisits Boycott Red Lobster!

[mlc82]

Not really, but why haven't we ever seen something like this on the news? A passage from Leviticus is often cited as the reason why many Christians are opposed to equal rights for homosexual citizens of the USA, however, Leviticus is also quite clear on some other rules that appear to be broken every day, happily, even by many Christians.

According to Leviticus 19:19, "Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee." Apparently, garments made with mixed fabrics are also forbidden, and yet I wonder how many of those are purchased and worn every day in the US, possibly even to Church on sundays. Ever seen anyone picketing their local clothing department store or even Wal Mart due to this biblical law? I haven't either.

Also, if you check out the majority of Leviticus chapter 11, it goes on and on and about the various types of shellfish that are forbidden. Now think about the amount of seafood restaurants in the USA, and the amount of people who order shrimp, clams, or oysters at these every day, and the amount of such that those people actually eat- it's never just one! I have a feeling that the amount of shellfish eaten in a SINGLE DAY in the USA outnumbers the homosexual population by a large margin, and yet again have never heard a complaint about a seafood restaurant breaking the law of Leviticus, which according to most Christians, DOES still stand, as Jesus claimed he did not come to change the Old Law. When was the last time anyone picketted or boycotted a local wharf which shrimp boats sailed out of? I've certainly also never heard of a patron in a restaurant having a group of people beat him or her to death in a righteous rage because he/she ordered clams and was happy to eat them.

I have to wonder also, which is the greater threat to society as a whole, the sin trying to get itself legalized and meeting incredible resistance in that struggle, or the one that is PERFECTLY ACCEPTED and going on day in and day out, every day, with even those same people who will crusade their hearts out for God to keep homosexuals from having the same rights as everyone else, but will happily chow down on a shrimp cocktail while Satan watches and laughs. Speaking of the devil, I think it's a safe bet that he probably gave up on the homosexual movement when he realized what a battle it was, and now likely spends most of his time hanging out at local seafood joints, watching people of all faiths completely disregard the laws of God and enjoy themselves doing it.


(This is another way of putting forth those usual questions that I've yet to hear an actual answer for, trying to understand why many will happily despise homosexuals based on the Laws in Leviticus, and yet will happily disregard and even break others. Wouldn't want anyone to think I was serious.)

[Thinman]

While they are at it, they should boycott any business that is open on Sunday. That is a sin also.

[beanboy]

Originally Posted by Thinman

While they are at it, they should boycott any business that is open on Sunday. That is a sin also.

Well it was illegal here where I live until just recently. (Nova Scotia, Canada)

[AdonisSMU]

It's acceptable for Christinan's who aren't really serious to pick and choose which parts of the Bible they will follow and which ones they won't follow.

[darkblood]

Originally Posted by Thinman

While they are at it, they should boycott any business that is open on Sunday. That is a sin also.

And don't forget tattoo parlors, cotton/polyester blends, and many vegetable farms.

[mlc82]

Originally Posted by AdonisSMU

It's acceptable for Christinan's who aren't really serious to pick and choose which parts of the Bible they will follow and which ones they won't follow.

Honestly, I've never heard of those things being followed even by the ones who do seem to be completely devoted.

[Diesel66]

read the NT, it isnt that difficult.

[US_Ranger]

Wow, strong grasping at straws.

1. Don't lump all Christians together in terms of rights of homosexuals.

2. If you're going to use the Bible as a reference, try taking it into context when it's talking about things.

3. You can easily ask many of the members of this board why certain things in the old testament no longer apply (in terms of new and old covenant) and your questions can be answered.



It's not that hard to do those 3 things above rather than make some crap thread about something you obviously don't understand or care to understand.

[IntensityX]

Originally Posted by US_Ranger

Wow, strong grasping at straws.
2. If you're going to use the Bible as a reference, try taking it into context when it's talking about things.

This is why there is hypocrisy in religion these days too many people taking the bible out of context and twisting it into their own words and opinion.

[US_Ranger]

Originally Posted by IntensityX

This is why there is hypocrisy in religion these days too many people taking the bible out of context and twisting it into their own words and opinion.

I agree....especially with the atheists on this forum who pick and choose which parts of the Bible that they don't understand and use it as a tool to attack Christianity.

[mlc82]

Originally Posted by Diesel66

read the NT, it isnt that difficult.

I have read a good bit of it, and have yet to hear an answer. I've heard both that Jesus made the old laws void, however he also claims that he didn't come to change the laws.

[mlc82]

Originally Posted by US_Ranger

Wow, strong grasping at straws.

1. Don't lump all Christians together in terms of rights of homosexuals.

2. If you're going to use the Bible as a reference, try taking it into context when it's talking about things.

3. You can easily ask many of the members of this board why certain things in the old testament no longer apply (in terms of new and old covenant) and your questions can be answered.



It's not that hard to do those 3 things above rather than make some crap thread about something you obviously don't understand or care to understand.

1. Where did I say "All Christians in the USA"? I was referring to those who are against equal rights for homosexuals, thought I made that clear.

2and 3. Feel free to enlighten me on how I took Leviticus out of context. I HAVE asked these questions before and have never really received a real answer, both on these boards, and to people who worked at the church I used to attend. The best I"ve received so far is "Jesus changed that!", however as I said, he claims he didn't.

[mlc82]

Originally Posted by US_Ranger

I agree....especially with the atheists on this forum who pick and choose which parts of the Bible that they don't understand and use it as a tool to attack Christianity.

This isn't an attack on Christianity itself, it's a question going out to those christians who are anti homosexual thanks to a biblical passage, while ignoring the other passages around that one.

[k4y]

Supposedly, when Jesus died on the cross, all the Old Testament traditions/"bans" were thus unneccessary anymore.

[US_Ranger]

Originally Posted by mlc82

1. Where did I say "All Christians in the USA"? I was referring to those who are against equal rights for homosexuals, thought I made that clear.

2and 3. Feel free to enlighten me on how I took Leviticus out of context. I HAVE asked these questions before and have never really received a real answer, both on these boards, and to people who worked at the church I used to attend. The best I"ve received so far is "Jesus changed that!", however as I said, he claims he didn't.

I'll actually use what the Muslims said about their religion and alcohol since they explained it better than me.

Tribalism existed in the world of the Old/New testament and the laws that these tribes lived by resembled a lot of the Old testament. When Jesus came back, he couldn't just say "That's it guys, it's all changed" and be taken seriously. It's the same thing with Islam and alcohol. When alcohol is ingrained in a society, you can't just eliminate it, you have to slowly taper it down. The same thing applies in this case. Jesus couldn't just show up and say "All these rules no longer apply." He had to come to make his new covenant but at the same time be diplomatic enough to not alienate his followers. Also, certain things in the Old testament are going to still apply as long as civilization applies (10 Commandments are an example as it's a good code to live by) but at the same time, certain things like sacrificing a goat for forgiveness were no longer needed. Can you imagine if we still had to live by that? Look at the earth's population, that would be ridiculous.

When I say "take it into context" that's all I'm talking about. Put yourself in the shoes of someone at the time who had the beliefs of the people involved. I don't know if this answers your question enough or not. I apologize if it doesn't.

[mlc82]

Originally Posted by US_Ranger

I'll actually use what the Muslims said about their religion and alcohol since they explained it better than me.

Tribalism existed in the world of the Old/New testament and the laws that these tribes lived by resembled a lot of the Old testament. When Jesus came back, he couldn't just say "That's it guys, it's all changed" and be taken seriously. It's the same thing with Islam and alcohol. When alcohol is ingrained in a society, you can't just eliminate it, you have to slowly taper it down. The same thing applies in this case. Jesus couldn't just show up and say "All these rules no longer apply." He had to come to make his new covenant but at the same time be diplomatic enough to not alienate his followers. Also, certain things in the Old testament are going to still apply as long as civilization applies (10 Commandments are an example as it's a good code to live by) but at the same time, certain things like sacrificing a goat for forgiveness were no longer needed. Can you imagine if we still had to live by that? Look at the earth's population, that would be ridiculous.

When I say "take it into context" that's all I'm talking about. Put yourself in the shoes of someone at the time who had the beliefs of the people involved. I don't know if this answers your question enough or not. I apologize if it doesn't.

I see exactly what you're saying and it does make sense, however it still doesn't answer the question I was asking. Where does it state that the laws about mixed fabric clothing and eating shellfish were abolished, but the ones against homosexuality were not? To me, picking one aspect of a book and waving it around while ignoring the others around it is hypocritical. I didn't say that ALL christians did this, simply asking for an answer from the ones that do.


"Putting it into context" is what I enjoy the most in studying history, religious or otherwise

[mlc82]

Originally Posted by k4y

Supposedly, when Jesus died on the cross, all the Old Testament traditions/"bans" were thus unneccessary anymore.

My question is, why does that apparently not include the homosexual bit?

[US_Ranger]

Originally Posted by mlc82

I see exactly what you're saying and it does make sense, however it still doesn't answer the question I was asking. Where does it state that the laws about mixed fabric clothing and eating shellfish were abolished, but the ones against homosexuality were not? To me, picking one aspect of a book and waving it around while ignoring the others around it is hypocritical. I didn't say that ALL christians did this, simply asking for an answer from the ones that do.


"Putting it into context" is what I enjoy the most in studying history, religious or otherwise

In all honesty, I can't answer your question without using my own opinion as to why it's that way and I don't want to speak for all Christians on the subject since there are others much smarter than me.

On that note, it seems like common sense would dictate a good portion of the laws. Sacrifice a goat would no longer apply once civilization reached a very large number. Can you imagine a city full of people doubled in size to allow room for all the goats you would have to sacrifice everytime you had 1 too many shots at the local pub?

I don't know what sort of schooling you have but around here they have a class called "The Old Testament" (which I haven't taken yet) but I'm guessing it would explain (assuming you have a non bias teacher.....yeah right) a lot of the reasons for why certain things would apply and certain things wouldn't.

I'm sorry I can't give you all the answers. =/

[mlc82]

Originally Posted by US_Ranger

In all honesty, I can't answer your question without using my own opinion as to why it's that way and I don't want to speak for all Christians on the subject since there are others much smarter than me.

On that note, it seems like common sense would dictate a good portion of the laws. Sacrifice a goat would no longer apply once civilization reached a very large number. Can you imagine a city full of people doubled in size to allow room for all the goats you would have to sacrifice everytime you had 1 too many shots at the local pub?

I don't know what sort of schooling you have but around here they have a class called "The Old Testament" (which I haven't taken yet) but I'm guessing it would explain (assuming you have a non bias teacher.....yeah right) a lot of the reasons for why certain things would apply and certain things wouldn't.

I'm sorry I can't give you all the answers. =/

Hey nothing to apologize for, personally I think "I'm not sure" is as respectable an answer as any I do think the point you're making is right on, but doesn't really answer what I'm asking. If I had the time and money to do it, I'd take a class like that (and some other history classes) just for fun, but that's probably going to be awhile from now- Nothing like staying home and reading a book instead of going out and blowing money so you at least won't stay broke for long.

[hugeness]

Originally Posted by mlc82

My question is, why does that apparently not include the homosexual bit?

it means the punishments are void

[mlc82]

Originally Posted by hugeness

it means the punishments are void

Any idea on the point of crusading against homosexuals but leaving shrimp eaters alone? Look at my initial post on seafood restaurants before claiming that the homosexual side has a more profound on our culture...

[hugeness]

Originally Posted by mlc82

Any idea on the point of crusading against homosexuals but leaving shrimp eaters alone? Look at my initial post on seafood restaurants before claiming that the homosexual side has a more profound on our culture...

Homosexuality is sin against the body and those promoting the homosexual agenda have many goals. Those goals include universal acceptance of the gay lifestyle, discrediting of scriptures that condemn homosexuality, muzzling of the clergy and Christian media, granting of special privileges and rights in the law, overturning laws prohibiting pedophilia, indoctrinating children and future generations through public education, and securing all the legal benefits of marriage for any two or more people who claim to have homosexual tendencies.

Name some goals of the shellfish eating agenda and how it has affected our society.

[TwiloMike]

Originally Posted by Thinman

While they are at it, they should boycott any business that is open on Sunday. That is a sin also.

Saturday. Shabbat is Saturday.

[Shaun1990]

ARe you serious?

Originally Posted by hugeness

Homosexuality is sin against the body

Er, its a sin against Christianity, but since Christianity/Jesus/God does not regulate our bodies, its not a sin against the body.

and those promoting the homosexual agenda have many goals.

The homosexual "agenda"? Haha... the sad thing is that you are serious.

Those goals include universal acceptance of the gay lifestyle,

And whats wrong with accepting the gays? What is this gay lifestyle anyway? Homosexuality is a sexual preference, not a lifesytle! Must... read... dictionary!

discrediting of scriptures that condemn homosexuality,

Well they are two thousand years old. Why are they relevant in todays world? Maybe we discredit them because we are not Christian?

muzzling of the clergy and Christian media,

Where does this happen? Or is this just more scare tacits? "The ***s are tellin' us what we can n' can't say!"

granting of special privileges and rights in the law,

Examples being?

overturning laws prohibiting pedophilia,

I thought we are talking about homosexuality, not pedophillia. Oh wait, you are not the most intelligent person, so you (deliberately?) cannot distinguise between them. I should have known better than to expect you to actually know what you are talking about, you must forgive me.

indoctrinating children and future generations through public education,

What, just like Churches indoctrinate children to believe in God? I can't see why public eduction teaching tollerance is a bad thing. Maybe you can elaborate.

and securing all the legal benefits of marriage for any two or more people who claim to have homosexual tendencies.

"Two or more people". Again, we are talking homosexuality... Oops, I assumed you might know what you are talking about again, sorry.

[Pump that iron!]

Originally Posted by k4y

Supposedly, when Jesus died on the cross, all the Old Testament traditions/"bans" were thus unneccessary anymore.

Yeah, except homosexuality is still considered a sin.

[Telstar]

Originally Posted by hugeness

Homosexuality is sin against the body and those promoting the homosexual agenda have many goals. Those goals include universal acceptance of the gay lifestyle, discrediting of scriptures that condemn homosexuality, muzzling of the clergy and Christian media, granting of special privileges and rights in the law, overturning laws prohibiting pedophilia, indoctrinating children and future generations through public education, and securing all the legal benefits of marriage for any two or more people who claim to have homosexual tendencies.

Name some goals of the shellfish eating agenda and how it has affected our society.

We don't care about your personal/political/conspiratorial opinions on homosexuality. The question is, given that so many OT rules (that would please a Pharisee) were repealed by Jesus, why not the rule against homosexuality? Do men who commit homosexual acts need to be stoned to death, or is some other form of punishment acceptable?

We want a scriptural explanation for the inconstancy, if you're familiar with the OT/NT scriptures, especially since so many Christians are so obsessed with homosexuality, when Jesus said not one word on the subject.

Is sexual insecurity running rampant in the Christian community? Would that they put more effort into solving the problem of hunger (something Jesus did preach about) rather than the "problem" of homosexuality.

[Cybernaut]

In the old testamant, God placed many rules upon the Jews, such as they couldn't eat unclean foods (like mentioned in this thread). Jesus' resurrection removed the need for many of these rules and replaced a system of justice (for Jews) with a system of forgiveness. In addition, removing their need to do animal sacrifices for the forgiveness of sins.
The reason the Jews (and some orthodox Christians) still follow those rules is they believe Jesus never appeared on earth yet and are still waiting for him and continuing to live according to Old Testament rules.

Homosexuality does not fit into that category and is mentioned many times in the New Testament as well. The Bible's opinion on it is clear and unless you're the type of "Christian" who "interprets" the Bible how you wish - which basically invalidates its entire purpose - you would have to agree with the Bible.

[Telstar]

Originally Posted by Cybernaut

Homosexuality does not fit into that category and is mentioned many times in the New Testament as well. The Bible's opinion on it is clear and unless you're the type of "Christian" who "interprets" the Bible how you wish - which basically invalidates its entire purpose - you would have to agree with the Bible.

Jesus never said a word about homosexuality. And how many is many times?

The scriptures don't seem to have a problem with lesbianism.

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by mlc82

I have read a good bit of it, and have yet to hear an answer. I've heard both that Jesus made the old laws void, however he also claims that he didn't come to change the laws.

There were many contracts between man and God.

God-Adam
God-Abraham
God-Moses
God-all men through Jesus

(that isnt all of them, just some as examples)

One ends, one begins. The old laws do not apply anymore.

Originally Posted by mlc82

This isn't an attack on Christianity itself, it's a question going out to those christians who are anti homosexual thanks to a biblical passage, while ignoring the other passages around that one.

Except the Bible clearly is anti homosexual in the NT as well.

[honeybbqgrundle]

Originally Posted by hugeness

Name some goals of the shellfish eating agenda and how it has affected our society.

So it's ok to ignore what god says if it doesn't affect our society? That seems awfully disrespectful.