Checking metabolism

[the iron addict]

This is the cheap and easy (and generally accurate) way to check your basal metabolic rate without going to the doctor, but a trip to the doc is always the best way to know exactly whats going on, but this method is well established and accurate enough for most people to get an idea of what is going on:

Take morning body temp FIRST thing in the morning BEFORE getting out of bed as soon as you awake. Record numbers for 4-5 days.

97.4-98.3 normal metabolic rate.
96.5-97.1 metabolism reduced as much as 15-20%
95.5-96-5, you be ****ed, thyroid pummeled into submission.
94.5-95-5. Your metabolism is shot, extremely lowered basal metabolism.

All but the first numbers are very bad indicators for the majority of the people. A few "burn" lower normally than most people and are always on the low side, but that is usually easy to diagnose with a few questions.

IA

[justdragit]

sweet .. will have to try that!

[bgurltryall]

What if you're 102?...J/k :P

[Bronkko]

Originally Posted by bgurltryall

What if you're 102?...J/k :P

tylenol

[monaincha]

I tried this just for fun yesterday afternoon and was between. 96.8 - 97.2

This morning - 96.8 I wonder the accuracy of this.

So does this mean that my BMR was 3080 cals now is more like 2464 cals?
I've been cutting and consuming around 2300 cals a day. I know have to lower this to be be in a 700-800 cal deficit?

[the iron addict]

It will not always be the same, you are not a machine.

IA

[EazyE15]

Good method. I didnt even know your BMR could actually be found. I thought it was only estimated with calculators, i just read you can go to the doctor and breathe into some machine and it tells you your BMR. Do all doctors have this equipment or only the more modernized ones?

[monaincha]

My temperature is below what the norm is. So far it's been in 96.5 to 96.8
Is what he saying accurate? My BMR is now shot 15-20% of what it was?

You guys all no your stuff here so I wanted to see what you ya'll thought.

I've taken my temp every morning for 3 days now.

1st day - 96.5F
2nd day - 96.5F
3rd day - last night ate huge meal with some cheats hoping it would help increase my temperature. Nope even lower this monring - 96.0F

[monaincha]

Today 95.5F

I'm going to see the Dr. I'm over 3 degrees below normal. I should be in stage 1 hypothermia right now.

[the iron addict]

No hypothermia--lol, but your metabolism is low due to not enough food intake Vs energy expenditure.

You can see a doctor, or you can simply eat above maintenence (500-700 cals above) for a few weeks and you will find your temperature starts to rise all by itself.

IA

[monaincha]

Originally Posted by the iron addict

No hypothermia--lol, but your metabolism is low due to not enough food intake Vs energy expenditure.

You can see a doctor, or you can simply eat above maintenence (500-700 cals above) for a few weeks and you will find your temperature starts to rise all by itself.

IA

Thanks for the response. I still seem to being loosing weight and I'm eating around 2500+ calories a day and probably 4000k a day on on the weekends. I don't get it, I'm 6'4 225lb Getting lean but really want to get shreded. Do you think my metabolism is still working well despite the low body temp? I appreciate any advice.

[pnycar69]

Originally Posted by the iron addict

This is the cheap and easy (and generally accurate) way to check your basal metabolic rate without going to the doctor, but a trip to the doc is always the best way to know exactly whats going on, but this method is well established and accurate enough for most people to get an idea of what is going on:

Take morning body temp FIRST thing in the morning BEFORE getting out of bed as soon as you awake. Record numbers for 4-5 days.

97.4-98.3 normal metabolic rate.
96.5-97.1 metabolism reduced as much as 15-20%
95.5-96-5, you be ****ed, thyroid pummeled into submission.
94.5-95-5. Your metabolism is shot, extremely lowered basal metabolism.

All but the first numbers are very bad indicators for the majority of the people. A few "burn" lower normally than most people and are always on the low side, but that is usually easy to diagnose with a few questions.

IA

Please post a reference to the information that supports your data above. I have done well over an hour of research to try and find anything similar to what you posted and I can't find a thing that either verifies it or supports it.

I am very interested in learning more about this.

[The Director]

his info is true..my doc said the same thing to me when I gave in a visit sometime back...

my thyroid is pretty f'd up.

[EazyE15]

Me thinks its BS. If you want your BMR go to the doctor and ask.

[Jim_C]

Originally Posted by monaincha

Thanks for the response. I still seem to being loosing weight and I'm eating around 2500+ calories a day and probably 4000k a day on on the weekends. I don't get it, I'm 6'4 225lb Getting lean but really want to get shreded. Do you think my metabolism is still working well despite the low body temp? I appreciate any advice.

I think you have to expect your metabolism to take a little dip when you are cutting. I say that if you are still losing weight don't worry about it. Just keep on doing what you are doing.

[the iron addict]

Originally Posted by EazyE15

Me thinks its BS. If you want your BMR go to the doctor and ask.

Methinks you are the average 16 year old BB.com poster that knows nothing, but it never stops them from talking.

Go here:http://www.ironaddicts.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=54


and look at results with clients, I train 75 people on a full time basis including many competitors, and your experience is?

IA

[EazyE15]

Originally Posted by the iron addict

Methinks you are the average 16 year old BB.com poster that knows nothing, but it never stops them from talking.

Go here:http://www.ironaddicts.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=54


and look at results with clients, I train 75 people on a full time basis including many competitors, and your experience is?

IA

My opinion is valid. Many variables can make you hotter/colder. For example that guy who posted here with the hyperthermia temperature. Yet hes fine and loses weight fine, conclusive evidence that its highly inaccurate. Like i said go to the doctor to find your metabolism.

[the iron addict]

And again, WHAT IS YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH THIS, or with training people?

IA

[EazyE15]

Originally Posted by the iron addict

And again, WHAT IS YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH THIS, or with training people?

IA

I have yet to try the method.

Can you explain why someone here had an abnormally low temp?

[the iron addict]

It is usually because calories have been cut too low relative to energy expenditure. The body adapts to the decreased calories by lowering metabolism (mostly thyroid). I use this method with all dieters that come to me that are stuck and more often then not body temps are lowered. After 4-10 weeks of feeding them above maintenence numbers, they are usually back to normal. It can be low if you have a thyroid problem, but that is rare compared to what usually is occuring--the trainee is simply been eating/dieting too aggressivly.

This is not some new trick method, it has been used for the past 50 years. I knew about it when you are about 3 years old, after Dan Duchaine wrote Body-Opus.

IA

[EazyE15]

Originally Posted by the iron addict

It is usually because calories have been cut too low relative to energy expenditure. The body adapts to the decreased calories by lowering metabolism (mostly thyroid). I use this method with all dieters that come to me that are stuck and more often then not body temps are lowered. After 4-10 weeks of feeding them above maintenence numbers, they are usually back to normal. It can be low if you have a thyroid problem, but that is rare compared to what usually is occuring--the trainee is simply been eating/dieting too aggressivly.

This is not some new trick method, it has been used for the past 50 years. I knew about it when you are about 3 years old, after Dan Duchaine wrote Body-Opus.

IA

Where is the most accurate place to take the temperature?

[monaincha]

Iron Adddict. I need your help bro. So what can I do to get my BMR back up.
I've been cutting off and on for the past 8 months. Usually keeping my calories 2000+ on week days and 3000+ weekends. I'm 6'4 224lbs. I'm at the point where my top abs are somewhat visible but my love handles are still carrying alot of fat as well as my bottom portion of my stomach. My temp has been in the 95.5F to 96F range every morning. What can I do to cut the last 10-15lbs off? Summer is pretty much here and I want to look good.

With my BMR being this low I'm concerned about eating what I regularly do.
How can I loose this final ammount of fat when my BMR is this low?

Is it possible to still loose fat while increasing my metabolism. If so how?

Thank you

[the iron addict]

LOL, depends on the instrumentation. With a regular murcury thermometer its anal, but in the name of keeping it clean, I only use oral. A cheap 9 buck digital oral thermometer from Wall-Mart works just fine.

IA

[EazyE15]

Originally Posted by the iron addict

LOL, depends on the instrumentation. With a regular murcury thermometer its anal, but in the name of keeping it clean, I only use oral. A cheap 9 buck digital oral thermometer from Wall-Mart works just fine.

IA

Cant find our murcury one.
I got this IR thing which measures model Nitro car's engines so they dont overheat, can i just use that?

http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/r...MotorTemp1.jpg

Its one of them lol

[monaincha]

Originally Posted by monaincha

Iron Adddict. I need your help bro. So what can I do to get my BMR back up.
I've been cutting off and on for the past 8 months. Usually keeping my calories 2000+ on week days and 3000+ weekends. I'm 6'4 224lbs. I'm at the point where my top abs are somewhat visible but my love handles are still carrying alot of fat as well as my bottom portion of my stomach. My temp has been in the 95.5F to 96F range every morning. What can I do to cut the last 10-15lbs off? Summer is pretty much here and I want to look good.

With my BMR being this low I'm concerned about eating what I regularly do.
How can I loose this final ammount of fat when my BMR is this low?

Is it possible to still loose fat while increasing my metabolism. If so how?

Thank you

any response to this IA?

[the iron addict]

The only way to lose fat while increasing metabolism are with various chems. What you NEED to do is eat for awhile above maintenence. Since summer is almost here you are not likely to do that. You can drop calories more, which will likely just make your thyroid plummet more. Increase cardio, or take one of the many stims available, or TTA or forskolin.

I don't really reccomend any of those approaches at the point you are at now. You made a mistake and now you need to pay for it. 2,000 calories for a 225 lb guy is WAY to little and leads to what happened. Had you started your diet sooner, been less aggressive with the caloric deficit, and done a proper amount of cardio you would have been fine. Not beating you up, your mistake is exactly how most people diet. Go look on my board at all the body recomps being/have been done:

http://www.ironaddicts.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=54

IA

[monaincha]

Originally Posted by the iron addict

The only way to lose fat while increasing metabolism are with various chems. What you NEED to do is eat for awhile above maintenence. Since summer is almost here you are not likely to do that. You can drop calories more, which will likely just make your thyroid plummet more. Increase cardio, or take one of the many stims available, or TTA or forskolin.

I don't really reccomend any of those approaches at the point you are at now. You made a mistake and now you need to pay for it. 2,000 calories for a 225 lb guy is WAY to little and leads to what happened. Had you started your diet sooner, been less aggressive with the caloric deficit, and done a proper amount of cardio you would have been fine. Not beating you up, your mistake is exactly how most people diet. Go look on my board at all the body recomps being/have been done:

http://www.ironaddicts.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=54

IA

Thanks for the response. I started my diet 14 months ago. I went from 295lbs to the current 225lbs. I cut out booze during the week and ate loads of protein and cut down to 275lb last Aug. From there on I was maintaining around 270lbs eating loads but mostly high protien low fat foods. I then had some relationship problems which stressed me out and I ended up loosing around 20lbs From then on out around October time of last year I was taking 2300-2700 calories a day. On the weekends around maitence. I never did cardio only weight lifting every morning.

about 2 months ago I was drinking on the weekends and eating whatever I felt like. Then during the week keeping it clean. It was just this last 2 months I kicked it up into high gear for the summer.

About a month ago I started doing some speed walking and hiking for an hour or so every second day.

I don't think I went to extreme with the diet.

However my temp is still very low.

Do you think I could eat clean during the week and then eat what I want on the weekend with some booze and get some cheats going on. Would that bring it up?

[the iron addict]

If you start zig-zagging, yes, you can likely bring it up. Booze is a bad idea, cheat meals are a good one at this point. How is fat loss going at the moment? Fat can be lost even with thyroid low. It just makes it much harder to do.

IA

[monaincha]

Originally Posted by the iron addict

If you start zig-zagging, yes, you can likely bring it up. Booze is a bad idea, cheat meals are a good one at this point. How is fat loss going at the moment? Fat can be lost even with thyroid low. It just makes it much harder to do.

IA

I hit 221lbs last Sunday (lightest I have been in 4 years) but it was mostly water loss. I just have no idea now bro. It still might be happening but since I picked up the thermometer and getting this low rating I've been eating more trying to rise it. I'm pretty bummed about it because I was stoked on getting really cut for this summer. I'm sitting at probably 12-13% right now and was hoping to get down to 10-11% in a months time. Maybee I'll just stick to what I was doing and hopefully it'll work out. I've done a few EC stacks in the past. Maybee I'll start one up again for 2 weeks. I find the EC makes me act like a dick to my fiance and people around me and I also get depressed and irritable on it. Maybee because I'm ADD.

[the iron addict]

TTA, or forskolin, with sesathin will give about the same fat loss as ECA without all the BS sides that ECA provides.

If you are determined, you can just keep plowing along, which is what most dieters do, but at a certain caloric deficit and cardio schedule, muscle loss usually occurs and while the scale may be going down, much of what is lost is muscle and that doesn't make anyone look leaner. I'm not saying you are not in a posistion to continue with fat loss, just that what you are doing at this point isn't likely near optimal.

IA