Low Weight, High Reps = Tone

[TeenGettingBig]

Oh god, the amount of times i have heard people say this is ridiculous. Seriously where do people get this garbage from? Who feeds them this bull****?

Was the last straw tonight while i was at my local gym, some skinny boys were in there today, all they were doing was curls, and machine pulldowns... at a ridiculously light weight..

i know these blokes, so i went up to one of them doing curls, handed him a heavier weight, he said 'i don't want to put on muscle, i want to tone up'

i said 'you already are toned, you have a low body fat, and doing light weights will not do a thing for you.you will not look any better doing light weights, you cant build muscle doing that ****.. do heavier weights, progress to a heavier weight and increase the weight once it gets to light for youheavier when it gets to heavy, and you will build muscle.

he said 'my trainer says to do light weights because it will tone me up'
i said 'your trainers a dickhead, he has no idea'


.....


Seriously, where do people learn this poo?

They continued by lowering the weights and doing light curls (so light they could of got out 30 reps), then doing calf raises, and followed by a warmdown!!

I tried getting them to do some decent compounds, like squats, deadlifts etc..
There response.. "just working light, dont want to go to hard"...



DISCUSS!!!

[TeenGettingBig]

Come on, i would love to hear how to educate these mis informed people!!

[eagles56]

some people just won't listen until they've wasted years of their life doing things wrong or get injured. People are ignorant and don't like advice. Most trainers know nothing so that doesn't help the problem.

[_Mazza_]

you shoulda snapped those bitches in half.......

When I started training my training partner used to just go on the treadmill for about 40 mins and then do 10 minutes of light weight on lat pulldowns.
Then after that he'd go on the leg press with a weight too heavy for him, do 1 half rep and then take a 10 minutes break and about 5 glasses of water before attempting again.

No matter what you say, lots of people will think they can get toned up without using heavy weights. They're the same kind of people who will buy muscle toning systems off the shopping network and just sit with them turned on hoping for hyooge biceps and a six pack lol.

[V1sual B1nary]

Trainers are rubbish, after he wrote my program i looked at it then threw it out.
It was all rubbish and really light weight even when i told him i wanted to bulk up and get huge.

[TeenGettingBig]

Trainers possess no knowledge whatsoever, rarely do you get a trainer who knows what they are talking about.

Hopefully these guys realise they would be better of sleeping than doing this crap!!!

[TeenGettingBig]

All of you repped.

[Anvilsmith]

If I simply wanted to humiliate the fellow, I would've used wit and sarcasm. Next time you meet someone like that, try asking him what he was expecting to tone - his bones, his skin or his blood vessels. Because it's highly unlikely he has any muscle to work with. Or, if you're trying to get him to comply with your point of view, politely ask him what he thinks those light weights will do for him in the long term, in terms of conditioning and neural adaptation... Or even in terms of his muscle's shape. After a few months of building muscle, all that toning will have no relevance whatsoever.

It annoys me that personal trainers sometimes insist that skinny folks ought to "tone up" - it's just an excuse for keeping them on light weights to prevent potential accidents (and therefore embarassment on the PT's part). There is no long-term benefit whatsoever for "toning up"... It's simply a cop-out.

[Newtt]

I once tried the assistance of a trainer at my local gym, and I asked him for some help making a split for me. he gives me something with 15-20 rep benches and stuff. i just kinda looked at him and left

[TeenGettingBig]

Indeed guys..

today also saw 2 skinny assed guys, all they did was jog on treadmill, and stretch and leave!!

Can't wait to be a trainer myself and put people on decent programs.

[andrewmul]

^^ cause im sure a trainer wont no better than a 14 year old who has posted on this forum for 1 month

[andrewmul]

Originally Posted by TeenGettingBig

Indeed guys..

today also saw 2 skinny assed guys, all they did was jog on treadmill, and stretch and leave!!

Can't wait to be a trainer myself and put people on decent programs.

Whats wrong with that? Maybe they dont want to get big, maybe they are long distance runners, maybe today was there day for running and not lifting. Please take your head and remove it from your ass and stop being so stuck up and think your the king of lifting!

[_Mazza_]

When I first ever went to a gym I got a free session with a personal trainer and routine.

I had a form to fill in stating goals and only ticked gain muscle

the routine I was made included 20 minutes on a bike machine, 20 minutes jogging on treadmill and on the cable machines there was only 1 set per bodypart of about 20 reps. They didn't even have a bench. Never went back to that gym, bought a bench and some squat racks and never looked back lol.

[TeenGettingBig]

Originally Posted by andrewmul

^^ cause im sure a trainer wont no better than a 14 year old who has posted on this forum for 1 month

90% of trainers are brainless when it comes to building muscle.

Good to see 14 year olds coming on here and learning stuff that will actually work for them.

[TeenGettingBig]

Originally Posted by andrewmul

Whats wrong with that? Maybe they dont want to get big, maybe they are long distance runners, maybe today was there day for running and not lifting. Please take your head and remove it from your ass and stop being so stuck up and think your the king of lifting!

Hahaha... i know the people.
I can tell you now both of them are not long distance runners..

Fact is i talked to them both, both of their goals was to 'put on muscle' but they were clueless on how to do it.

They don't know the first thing about lifting, thats where the ignorance of trainers is the problem..

Maybe you should get over yourself, not me. I am out there trying to find a way to help mis informed people.

[TeenGettingBig]

Originally Posted by _Mazza_

When I first ever went to a gym I got a free session with a personal trainer and routine.

I had a form to fill in stating goals and only ticked gain muscle

the routine I was made included 20 minutes on a bike machine, 20 minutes jogging on treadmill and on the cable machines there was only 1 set per bodypart of about 20 reps. They didn't even have a bench. Never went back to that gym, bought a bench and some squat racks and never looked back lol.

Mate that is exactly what happened with me years ago...

Joined a gym, ticked the 'Gain Muscle' on the goals sheet while siging up..
routine consisted of crunches, push ups, running, bike and light bicep curls.. this was from a TRAINER.

[V1sual B1nary]

The 14 year old now knows not to listen to trainers, unless the trainer is huge then maybe.

It might just be my gym but all the trainers are tiny. It is a healthclub so i wasnt expecting huge guys there but there 4 trainers, 1 is a small little woman, 2 guys that are just fat and about 5' 6" and the other guy is about 6'4" and really thin. None of them look like they have even stepped in a gym before then they wonder why i dont follow their advice.

[andrewmul]

Originally Posted by TeenGettingBig

Hahaha... i know the people.
I can tell you now both of them are not long distance runners..

Fact is i talked to them both, both of their goals was to 'put on muscle' but they were clueless on how to do it.

They don't know the first thing about lifting, thats where the ignorance of trainers is the problem..

Maybe you should get over yourself, not me. I am out there trying to find a way to help mis informed people.

You are out there trying to find away to help mis informed people?? You are really helping them i must say......coming on here and bitching about them is really helping them, they must be well on there way to getting huge!

If someone comes to the trainer and his goal is put on muscle oyu jsut dont say right go left 3 reps of everything that will get you big. They need to be conditioned first. Lifting weights at higher reps say 15, strengthens your tendons in preparation for going heavy. Also the msut important thing in putting on muscle is the diet.

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[TeenGettingBig]

Originally Posted by andrewmul

You are out there trying to find away to help mis informed people?? You are really helping them i must say......coming on here and bitching about them is really helping them, they must be well on there way to getting huge!

If someone comes to the trainer and his goal is put on muscle oyu jsut dont say right go left 3 reps of everything that will get you big. They need to be conditioned first. Lifting weights at higher reps say 15, strengthens your tendons in preparation for going heavy. Also the msut important thing in putting on muscle is the diet.

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What doing 10 reps at your 40 rep max is gonna help prepare you for heavier weights? HAHA. Ridiculous.


Also, if you actually read my posts, i am asking for advice on how to inform these people...which i have received some nice responses.

You on the other hand...

Wake up.

[andrewmul]

Originally Posted by TeenGettingBig

What doing 10 reps at your 40 rep max is gonna help prepare you for heavier weights? HAHA. Ridiculous.


Also, if you actually read my posts, i am asking for advice on how to inform these people...which i have received some nice responses.

You on the other hand...

Wake up.

Ehh no 10 reps at your 10rep max 15 reps at your 15 rep max. Have yo uever heard of thing called HST??

Yeh you asked for adivce on your first post after bitching about them, then you posted again bitching bout seeing 2 guys jsut go running. It would probably be moe beneficial if oyu jsut said hey go to www.bodybuilding.com/forum and that will help you. Its common sense, thats how most people have learnt from this site. Its probably how you learnt. All oyu can do is tell them about htesite its up to them whether they want to learn, thats common sense. You obviously just came on here to bitch about them.

[TeenGettingBig]

Originally Posted by andrewmul

Ehh no 10 reps at your 10rep max 15 reps at your 15 rep max. Have yo uever heard of thing called HST??

Yeh you asked for adivce on your first post after bitching about them, then you posted again bitching bout seeing 2 guys jsut go running. It would probably be moe beneficial if oyu jsut said hey go to www.bodybuilding.com/forum and that will help you. Its common sense, thats how most people have learnt from this site. Its probably how you learnt. All oyu can do is tell them about htesite its up to them whether they want to learn, thats common sense. You obviously just came on here to bitch about them.

10 reps at your 10 rep maximum is fine, nothing wrong with that. THat is NOT what we are talking about.

We are talking about people who do 10 reps, when they could of got another 20 reps out.. We are talking about people who go as light as possible.

Did you even read the thread??????

[TeenGettingBig]

Haha you gave me neg reps...

Read the thread again, and again, Obviously i know i am bitching, because i stated i am sick of hearing people talk about light weights = tone.. again read the thread and you will see this.. its a rant, which is very noticeable.

You deserve a lot of neg reps my friend, because you are rebutting about things we are not even talking about.

[andrewmul]

Originally Posted by TeenGettingBig

10 reps at your 10 rep maximum is fine, nothing wrong with that. THat is NOT what we are talking about.

We are talking about people who do 10 reps, when they could of got another 20 reps out.. We are talking about people who go as light as possible.

Did you even read the thread??????

you were bitching about trainers programmes. You dont no that these trainers arent tellin people to do their 15 rep max.

You should take the saying "Don't judge a book by its cover" before you start bitching about trainers programmes that you dont no in full detail.

Yeh you deserved the negged reps for being arrogant. Feel free to neg me back at the end of the day im on this forum to learn not to be popular and bitch

[farzamk]

Doing 20 reps is not in any way beneficial to someone looking to build muscle. However for beginners who have NEVER lifted weights, I would introduce them to the exercises and machines and teach them how the muscles and everything should be worked, along with that you should give a nice 6 week phase of daily training involving jogging, stretching, push ups, crunches, other abdominal work, back exercises, lunges, squats (body weight for all), calf raises, light plyometrics, pull ups and also use some monkey bars to strengthen those tendons.

In the last couple weeks, I would introduce exercises and work on technique using weights that wouldn't result in injury (12-15 reps).

After the phase I go to the 8-10 reps for everything and eventually 6-8 depending on the exercise.

There is no reason for a non beginner to be training beginner style lightly and learning style.

[TeenGettingBig]

Originally Posted by andrewmul

you were bitching about trainers programmes. You dont no that these trainers arent tellin people to do their 15 rep max.
bitch

My rant was actually about people at the gym, not trainers.
It was about how they are not being told that they need muscle to be 'toned' and cant just get toned by doing ridiculously light weights at high reps. They need to betold what to do correctly by the trainers.. I am very sure if trainers were telling them to push themselves, work at a heavier weight, they would follow what he trainer says, because they would tend to believe this person is knowledgeable.. yes??

Yes actually i do know what these people have been told to do by their trainers.. NOTHING, only a program written out. Not even knowing what a 5 rep, 10 rep or 15 rep maximum is. No idea at all. BECAUSE they have never been told!!

Originally Posted by andrewmul

You should take the saying "Don't judge a book by its cover" before you start bitching about trainers programmes that you dont no in full detail.

Thing is, i do know their programs, i've seen them and they are ridiculous. All they have been told is to do a certain amount of reps, nothing more. No help what so ever..

My reason for wanting to know how to explain to them what gradually increasing weight is, and pushing yourself, and not doing a weight for 10 reps that you could easily of done 10 rep on a weight 20kg heavier!!

Originally Posted by andrewmul

Yeh you deserved the negged reps for being arrogant. Feel free to neg me back at the end of the day im on this forum to learn not to be popular and bitch

I am not arrogant, i am RIGHT. No one in this thread has agreed with you, while all the above posters have agreed with me. You haven't even read my original post because what you are posting is irrelevant to what i am actually saying.

[Big_fuzzy]

Meh.

I do a curl variation called deadlifts.

[TeenGettingBig]

Originally Posted by farzamk

Doing 20 reps is not in any way beneficial to someone looking to build muscle. However for beginners who have NEVER lifted weights, I would introduce them to the exercises and machines and teach them how the muscles and everything should be worked, along with that you should give a nice 6 week phase of daily training involving jogging, stretching, push ups, crunches, other abdominal work, back exercises, lunges, squats (body weight for all), calf raises, light plyometrics, pull ups and also use some monkey bars to strengthen those tendons.

In the last couple weeks, I would introduce exercises and work on technique using weights that wouldn't result in injury (12-15 reps).

After the phase I go to the 8-10 reps for everything and eventually 6-8 depending on the exercise.

There is no reason for a non beginner to be training beginner style lightly and learning style.

Yep, agreed.

But in this case, this guy is in there frequently, well over a month or two. In a sense he is not a beginner because he has been going there for a while, but in a sense he is a beginner because is definitely does not know what he is doing.

I would love to help him get some results because he is wasting his time in the gym.

Thanks for your input.

[andrewmul]

Originally Posted by TeenGettingBig

My rant was actually about people at the gym, not trainers.
It was about how they are not being told that they need muscle to be 'toned' and cant just get toned by doing ridiculously light weights at high reps. They need to betold what to do correctly by the trainers.. I am very sure if trainers were telling them to push themselves, work at a heavier weight, they would follow what he trainer says, because they would tend to believe this person is knowledgeable.. yes??

Yes actually i do know what these people have been told to do by their trainers.. NOTHING, only a program written out. Not even knowing what a 5 rep, 10 rep or 15 rep maximum is. No idea at all. BECAUSE they have never been told!!







Thing is, i do know their programs, i've seen them and they are ridiculous. All they have been told is to do a certain amount of reps, nothing more. No help what so ever..

My reason for wanting to know how to explain to them what gradually increasing weight is, and pushing yourself, and not doing a weight for 10 reps that you could easily of done 10 rep on a weight 20kg heavier!!







I am not arrogant, i am RIGHT. No one in this thread has agreed with you, while all the above posters have agreed with me. You haven't even read my original post because what you are posting is irrelevant to what i am actually saying.

read the poster above you, describing a trainers programme

[TeenGettingBig]

Originally Posted by andrewmul

read the poster above you, describing a trainers programme

I did, it was a great post..

Read my post also, the guy pretty much does 2-3 exercises and leaves. Been doing this for some time..



Let me ask you this, do you think he is getting anything out of doing what he is doing, and doing this for another year will give him any kind of positive results??

[TeenGettingBig]

Originally Posted by Big_fuzzy

Meh.

I do a curl variation called deadlifts.

I tried showing him deadlifts, but they are 'too hard' for him to do, and would rather to light curls!!!