Upright Row debate

Jbert112 · 05-23-2007, 02:58 PM

How do you guys prefer your upright rows. closer grip and pull past the shoulders? or wide grip and pull to the bottom of the chest. i have heard that going all the way up is bad for the rotator cuffs and can cause joint problems.

jon_h · 05-23-2007, 03:03 PM

What are you working? Trap/shoulders? Wide grip to bottom of the chest for side delt.

Canadian Iron · 05-23-2007, 03:03 PM

READ:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...82&postcount=4

Jbert112 · 05-23-2007, 03:07 PM

i work my shoulders well with the wide grip. i just wanted to see what other people prefer and if in fact there is any truth to the rotator cuff / joint problem which i've heard of so much

Jbert112 · 05-23-2007, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Canadian Iron

READ:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...82&postcount=4

good article there that's along the lines that i was thinking already. thanks

Mtguy8787 · 05-23-2007, 03:13 PM

going all the way up IS bad for your shoulders, even if it doesnt hurt. And even if it werent, going high up still wouldnt be a very good trap exercise.

They can be a decent shoulder exercise, but you do not need to go up very far at all. Raise your arms till they are parallel with the floor. This is as far up as you need to go to get the most for your shoulders. Whe I do this, the bar would be at lower chest level.

There is no point in going higher than this, as it will not do any more for your delts, and the RC stress increases greatly past that point.

There are many other great shoulder exercises, so UR rows arent a necessity for good shoulder development. But I still do em once in a while as an alternative exercises, when I dont feel like doing presses or raises.

Bonecrshr · 05-23-2007, 04:07 PM

I've never realy felt that I was getting a lot out of them, actually. Therefore, I rarely if ever do them.

jdmalm123 · 05-23-2007, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jbert112

How do you guys prefer your upright rows?

I do them in the form of shpulder presses or push presses!

Senate156 · 05-23-2007, 10:53 PM

I do them with a narrow grip to concentrate on my traps and lift the bar up to my collarbone. but yeah, i love upright rows...i can't believe i neglected them for so long...they have really helped to add mass to my traps, in addition to improving my snatches.

ryanthestark · 05-23-2007, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonecrshr

I've never realy felt that I was getting a lot out of them, actually. Therefore, I rarely if ever do them.

x2, plus working traps and shoulders never works for me, I never understood doing them the same day. shoulders are for chest day in my book.

Beastnik · 05-24-2007, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Jbert112

How do you guys prefer your upright rows. closer grip and pull past the shoulders? or wide grip and pull to the bottom of the chest. i have heard that going all the way up is bad for the rotator cuffs and can cause joint problems.

I do cable upright rows, keep my back straight if not trying to lean back a little bit, close grip, hands about 5 or 6 inches apart or so and I pull the bar to right under my chin making sure to concentrate on using my traps. Try different ways out each week and pick the way you prefer.

Beastnik · 05-24-2007, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Jbert112

i work my shoulders well with the wide grip. i just wanted to see what other people prefer and if in fact there is any truth to the rotator cuff / joint problem which i've heard of so much

Ive never had rotator cuff problems with upright rows andI was prone to rotator cuff problems awhile ago, usually when I did incline presses.

slipper · 05-24-2007, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Jbert112

How do you guys prefer your upright rows. closer grip and pull past the shoulders? or wide grip and pull to the bottom of the chest. i have heard that going all the way up is bad for the rotator cuffs and can cause joint problems.

very dangerous for your rotator. i suggest doing a close grip going up to your shoulders but never above. a wide grip seems to hit the biceps too much and also seems very harsh on your rotator.

I dont work at Ballys · 05-24-2007, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Canadian Iron

READ:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...82&postcount=4

i dont internally rotate my shoulders when i do them. it depends on elbow positioning, grip width, ROM, and whether you are jerking the weight (along with tempo). actually after dislocating my shoulder 5 months back i have been able to do these w/o issue.

Mtguy8787 · 05-24-2007, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Beastnik

Ive never had rotator cuff problems with upright rows andI was prone to rotator cuff problems awhile ago, usually when I did incline presses.

which is caused by weak external rotator muscles 98% of the time.

ryanthestark · 05-24-2007, 01:03 AM

but did u kno upright rows make you gay?

Ok, I'll go back to the misc I guess....

I dont work at Ballys · 05-24-2007, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ryanthestark

but did u kno upright rows make you gay?

Ok, I'll go back to the misc I guess....

we stay out of your "lets jerk off on a cookie to this piece of hair I took from a girls head today" threads. in turn, please stay out of ours. thanks!

1quick1 · 05-24-2007, 01:22 AM

I don't do them at all. They hurt my shoulders and I don't mess wtih anything that hurts my shoulders.

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Originally Posted by Ballys Trainer

we stay out of your "lets jerk off on a cookie to this piece of hair I took from a girls head today" threads. in turn, please stay out of ours. thanks!

Oh and btw I would've repped you for this but apparently I've exceeded my rep quota for the last 24 hours.

ryanthestark · 05-24-2007, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Ballys Trainer

we stay out of your "lets jerk off on a cookie to this piece of hair I took from a girls head today" threads. in turn, please stay out of ours. thanks!

hey hey now, no need to get mean

Besides I've seen you come a couple of times with the "Are you aware" so u got no room to talk buddy

gokusan · 05-24-2007, 01:30 AM

I use EZ bar for traps & straight bar for delts.

2MuChBoDyFaT · 05-24-2007, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Bonecrshr

I've never realy felt that I was getting a lot out of them, actually. Therefore, I rarely if ever do them.

me too, they only thing they did for me was nearly fcuk my wrist up

I am better off without them.

EoR · 05-24-2007, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Bonecrshr

I've never realy felt that I was getting a lot out of them, actually. Therefore, I rarely if ever do them.

Sorry, I am just in shock seeing your picture.

I am sure nobody messes with you.

One of the biggest people on the boards that is for sure.

Dura fit · 05-24-2007, 04:51 AM

Personally, I love upright rows,

I find they really help bring out my shoulders more. After seated dumbell presses, I treat them as my second main shoulder exercise.

I find they work front, side delts and traps, with all grip widths. But as others have said, with a narrow grip my traps work harder, vice versa with a wide grip. I use all variations to really work the whole shoulder region.

2 Shades Darker · 05-24-2007, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Bonecrshr

I've never realy felt that I was getting a lot out of them, actually. Therefore, I rarely if ever do them.

agreed, cable pulls towards your face are much more effective.

psychowolverine · 05-24-2007, 07:31 AM

I use to do narrow grip up to the chin, but developed a few shoulder discomforts, so I quit doing them. I am going to try a wider grip and a lower pull in 2 days.

psychowolverine · 05-24-2007, 07:52 AM

I use to do narrow grip up to the chin, but developed a few shoulder discomforts, so I quit doing them. I am going to try a wider grip and a lower pull in 2 days.

IRONMANN1 · 05-24-2007, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by psychowolverine

I use to do narrow grip up to the chin, but developed a few shoulder discomforts, so I quit doing them. I am going to try a wider grip and a lower pull in 2 days.

Wide grip upright rows are fuggin tough! Start out with light weight bud.

psychowolverine · 05-24-2007, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by IRONMANN1

Wide grip upright rows are fuggin tough! Start out with light weight bud.

bite me peashooter

Just kidding..

I plan on using a light amount... probably around 100lbs.. Dont need a lot on those.

IRONMANN1 · 05-24-2007, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by psychowolverine

bite me peashooter

Just kidding..

I plan on using a light amount... probably around 100lbs.. Dont need a lot on those.

lol

I dont fcuk with exercises that are pretty much pointless like these, especially when they're are exercises that blow upright rows out of the water. But i was curious the other day and messed around with narrow and wide grip upright rows, just to see the difference in form. WG was tough, and hit my delts harder, versus traps with NG. It almost felt like a side lateral in a way of sorts

I dont work at Ballys · 05-24-2007, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by IRONMANN1

lol

I dont fcuk with exercises that are pretty much pointless like these, especially when they're are exercises that blow upright rows out of the water. But i was curious the other day and messed around with narrow and wide grip upright rows, just to see the difference in form. WG was tough, and hit my delts harder, versus traps with NG. It almost felt like a side lateral in a way of sorts

thats what it is. only difference is your biceps are secondary. you can do these with DB's too, turning you hand in at the top of the motion, to prevent the internal rotation that is teh DANGEROUS!!!!