HAVOC **Final Review**

[BIG F@CE]

Well i had just finished my last dose of HAVOC yesterday.
I ran a 30/40/50 cycle...i was contemplating ordering another bottle but decided not to.
The sides at 40 were getting to me but didnt keep me down.
back pumps OMG i was unlucky enought to have them almost through out the day. the only thing that helped was downing 2 grams of Taurine. but that only goes so far.
shoulder pumps. LaZY lAzY arms during the days because of this.
appetite was down
lethargy (except for when i hit the gym adrenalin kicks in and i become superman for 2 hours)
joints were hurting (mostly my elbows)

Strength Gains were out of this world and as i have said before i never thought id ever increase my bench sooo drastically and fast.
195 max to a 225 max!!!
My body was aching to the whole cycle except for when i was in training.
a lot of friends couldnt beleive the changes my body was making in such a short period of time. most of them jokingly pointed a finger and said "he on Teh Roids!" i lol'd each and every single time.

during my first 2 weeks i was calm and my aggression was down.
but week 3 @ 50mg opened up a whole new can of worms. ton o'haters in the gym thats for sure especially when your a little guy like me jumpin' 20lb increments on shoulder presses. :stares:

im not sure why but HAVOC decreases your thirst and you have to remember to keep on drinking *ALL DAY LONG* you can get dehydrated faster than anything while on cycle...stupid me did. i had to miss a day and drink like 3 gallons of water too help my body catch back up.

Stomach issues are something too look out for also. HAVOC increased my stomach acid production which was very annoying to deal with day in and day out. im prone to acid reflux if i dont watch what i eat, so those of you who know what im talking about best get yourself some R-O-L-A-I-D-S.

Appetite was down in the 1st week so i decided to change my diet to contain more fruits (sweet).

Body Mass has increased with a reduction in belly fat Vascularity was becoming more pronounced in week 3 also.
Muscles are fuller and harder which is what i wanted and got! i didnt take any measurements but im sure i have gained some serious mass on my chest and back. My button up shirts are not fitting
now the next goal........KEEP 90% of my gains.

ill keep adding to this as i remember more things...for some reason i think it messed with my short term memory..i dunno.

Edit: i would like to personally thank BLOUT for his Newbie thread http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=1399921
And all the other folks who contributed to that thread with vital information.......oh by the way RPN's HAVOC DELIVERS!

[jason1052004]

Seems like you saw some good gains off of what you did. Would you ever take Havoc again? If so, what would you do differently?

Good luck with PCT and locking those gains in.

[BIG F@CE]

Originally Posted by jason1052004

Seems like you saw some good gains off of what you did. Would you ever take Havoc again? If so, what would you do differently?

Good luck with PCT and locking those gains in.

i would run it again for sure. the only thing i would do differently is increase my Fiber and Forcefully increase my water intake.

as for the back pumps and shoulder pumps i guess ill have to mega dose some taurine

[jason1052004]

Good to know.

[bigbridrol]

nice job face, I think I will probably stick to a lower dose to avoid some of those problems. Good write up! Would read again!

[ab-swing asianbabe]

Thanks for the review, loved your feedback!

[Coulaid]

Is this your first ph cyle?

[BIG F@CE]

Originally Posted by Coulaid

Is this your first ph cyle?

yup

[factotum]

How much LBM do you think you gained?

[BIG F@CE]

i put on 11lbs total weight since day 1.

i couldnt estimate how much LBM i gained for sure. but my visual appearance has definitely changed for the better.


just to guess i would say 2-3lbs

[BIG F@CE]

note: for the aggression in week 3 it was an internal mind battle for me.
i had to keep telling myself "its the stuff...now calm down"

[jsweetness]

good review, keep us updated on how the PCT goes.

[BIG F@CE]

Originally Posted by jsweetness

good review, keep us updated on how the PCT goes.

Will do.

so far its going great

[Coulaid]

Originally Posted by BIG F@CE

i put on 11lbs total weight since day 1.

i couldnt estimate how much LBM i gained for sure. but my visual appearance has definitely changed for the better.


just to guess i would say 2-3lbs

Only 2-3lbs of LBM?

[BIG F@CE]

Originally Posted by Coulaid

Only 2-3lbs of LBM?

yeah just a guess could be more maybe 4-5.

but im more inclined to believe most of the 11lbs it is water weight possible fat gains....

[nosaj03]

What was your PCT and at what point in the cycle did you start?

[BIG F@CE]

Originally Posted by nosaj03

What was your PCT and at what point in the cycle did you start?

Havoc ended yesterday PCT started today
TORM
Reduce XT
Fenugreek
Cycle support

[Madevilz]

Originally Posted by BIG F@CE

most of them jokingly pointed a finger and said "he on Teh Roids!" i lol'd each and every single time.

well isnt Havoc a steroid?

[BIG F@CE]

Originally Posted by Madevilz

well isnt Havoc a steroid?

yeah but they didnt know i was really on it.

[Bloute]

Great review Big !

[BIG F@CE]

Originally Posted by Bloute

Great review Big !

thanks. your using Torm for your PCT also arent you....hows it taste

[jblaze4lif]

havoc is supposed to be dry gains .. i highly doubt you gained 3 lbs of lbm out of 11 on a steroid in 3 weeks .... i say 7-8 lbs muscle 2 lbs fat ... 1-2 water : )

havoc decreases estrogen .. should dry you out pretty good

Did your waist size increase a lot?

[BIG F@CE]

Originally Posted by jblaze4lif

havoc is supposed to be dry gains .. i highly doubt you gained 3 lbs of lbm out of 11 on a steroid in 3 weeks .... i say 7-8 lbs muscle 2 lbs fat ... 1-2 water : )

havoc decreases estrogen .. should dry you out pretty good

Did your waist size increase a lot?

waste size stayed the same.
your numbers sound a lot better than mine...lol


edit: major redistribution took place while on havoc. Definition and size have increased mainly in my chest and biceps. traps are now more pronounced around the clock.

[leonidas300]

How was the old sex drive during your cycle?

[BIG F@CE]

Originally Posted by leonidas300

How was the old sex drive during your cycle?

kinda down the last couple days of the cycle but i seem to be fine atm.
so im leaving the fenugreek out of PCT.

i was always able to deliver throughout cycle

[sdputerbum]

thanks for putting up the review.. can you give a couple more exercise changes so i can get a feel for how much your strength kicked up?

When did you feel it "kick in"?

[BIG F@CE]

Originally Posted by sdputerbum

thanks for putting up the review.. can you give a couple more exercise changes so i can get a feel for how much your strength kicked up?

When did you feel it "kick in"?

kicked in the first week. felt stronger on day 5.
2nd week was even better.
3rd week i was gitty as hell for throwin the weights around that i previously couldnt.

pretty all my exercises except the 2 mentioned below went up.
biggest accomplishment was the flat bench.

exercises to avoid maxing out on for me were deadlifts and squats. i kept those to about 85%.

[jblaze4lif]

damnn nice nice ... i cant wait to try havoc ... gotta wait till my evo stack is finished ... Then its on on on !!!!!!

[sobelik]

Originally Posted by jblaze4lif

damnn nice nice ... i cant wait to try havoc ... gotta wait till my evo stack is finished ... Then its on on on !!!!!!

wait a while untill you get on cycle man.... time off any hormonal product is needed especially before you go in a PH.

[BIG F@CE]

maybe 3 months after PCT?