When should I Deadlift?

slippy1_4u · 05-01-2007, 11:28 AM

I know loads of people must've posted on this in the past, but I can't seem to find any relatively recent posts and i don't really want to take over someone else's as this is an individual question...

Anyway, I'm trying to work deadlifts back into my programme but I'm having trouble figuring out where to put them. I am currently cutting and my training split is
M - Back/Triceps
W - Legs/Abs
F - Chest/Shoulders/Biceps
(I have explained why I've split things up like this in my blog if you want to comment on it there instead of changing the subject of this post...)

I'm perfectly happy doing them on back or leg days, but I don't feel like my lower back is recovered enough for squats and certainly not for sl deadlift if I do them on back days. I certainly don't want to do them before squats (I'm sure I don't have to justify this) and after squats I just don't have the strength to do heavy deadlifts. I have thought about doing deadlifts and then leg press after, but the leg press at my gym is really awkward. The seat is on a sled on a slight incline so it's basically like pushing yourself horizontally. The awkward bit is the seat itself though. It's built with about 120 degree angle, so when you're pushing heavy weights you basically just slide up the damn thing. So that kinda counts out leg press...

I imagine I might be able to do front squats after deadlifts since these are meant to take most of the stress off the lower back. Or I guess I could just do leg extensions.

Any suggestions?

DJAuto · 05-01-2007, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by slippy1_4u

I know loads of people must've posted on this in the past, but I can't seem to find any relatively recent posts and i don't really want to take over someone else's as this is an individual question...

Anyway, I'm trying to work deadlifts back into my programme but I'm having trouble figuring out where to put them. I am currently cutting and my training split is
M - Back/Triceps
W - Legs/Abs
F - Chest/Shoulders/Biceps
(I have explained why I've split things up like this in my blog if you want to comment on it there instead of changing the subject of this post...)

I'm perfectly happy doing them on back or leg days, but I don't feel like my lower back is recovered enough for squats and certainly not for sl deadlift if I do them on back days. I certainly don't want to do them before squats (I'm sure I don't have to justify this) and after squats I just don't have the strength to do heavy deadlifts. I have thought about doing deadlifts and then leg press after, but the leg press at my gym is really awkward. The seat is on a sled on a slight incline so it's basically like pushing yourself horizontally. The awkward bit is the seat itself though. It's built with about 120 degree angle, so when you're pushing heavy weights you basically just slide up the damn thing. So that kinda counts out leg press...

I imagine I might be able to do front squats after deadlifts since these are meant to take most of the stress off the lower back. Or I guess I could just do leg extensions.

Any suggestions?

I would put them first on back day.

jmusclehead · 05-01-2007, 11:41 AM

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I would put them first on back day.

X2....Definitely on back day and since they are with huge poundages get them done while your still fresh.

rugbyman12 · 05-01-2007, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by slippy1_4u

I imagine I might be able to do front squats after deadlifts since these are meant to take most of the stress off the lower back. Or I guess I could just do leg extensions.

Any suggestions?

Deadlifts still use your legs a good bit. What i would do is try is on a leg day and a back day and see what suits you best. Your body may be able to cope better on one day than another so best to find out for yourself.

Kate~ · 05-01-2007, 12:19 PM

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I would put them first on back day.

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Originally Posted by jmusclehead

X2....Definitely on back day and since they are with huge poundages get them done while your still fresh.

After really reading alot about this...most put on back day.

IRONMANN1 · 05-01-2007, 02:05 PM

Back day...

Those who say they put them on leg day astonish me. Unless it's periodized, putting them with squats is crazy, and even with that i still think it's rediculous.

Or you could put them on Deadlift day

EoR · 05-01-2007, 02:07 PM

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Back day...

Those who say they put them on leg day astonish me. Unless it's periodized, putting them with squats is crazy, and even with that i still think it's rediculous.

Or you could put them on Deadlift day

I agree. Though for me it is easy since I have designated my split via push+pull and legs.

IRONMANN1 · 05-01-2007, 02:19 PM

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I agree. Though for me it is easy since I have designated my split via push+pull and legs.

Negged for adding pointless information thus adding to your post whoring ways.

Kate~ · 05-01-2007, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by IRONMANN1

Back day...

Those who say they put them on leg day astonish me. Unless it's periodized, putting them with squats is crazy, and even with that i still think it's rediculous.

Or you could put them on Deadlift day

Deadlift day

IRONMANN1 · 05-01-2007, 02:24 PM

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Deadlift day

Hay my girl has the same stats

ThickAsABrick · 05-01-2007, 02:25 PM

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Hay my girl has the same stats

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IRONMANN1 · 05-01-2007, 02:28 PM

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ThickAsABrick · 05-01-2007, 02:29 PM

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IRONMANN1 · 05-01-2007, 02:30 PM

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danj112 · 05-01-2007, 02:32 PM

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lol @ your usertitle

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IRONMANN1 · 05-01-2007, 02:34 PM

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danj112 · 05-01-2007, 02:37 PM

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Negged for being in a deadlift thread.

Negged for taking Keto and then bitching about it for 2 weeks.

Repped for pointing out I have no business being in a deadlift thread.

EoR · 05-01-2007, 02:38 PM

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Negged for adding pointless information thus adding to your post whoring ways.

IRONMANN1 · 05-01-2007, 02:38 PM

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Negged for taking Keto and then bitching about it for 2 weeks.

Repped for pointing out I have no business being in a deadlift thread.

Repped for pointing out my bitch tendencies.

Negged for not stabbing yourself in the juggular.

strawser9 · 05-01-2007, 03:41 PM

back day...

switch off and on between deads and squats...

week 1:

BAck: deads
Legs: front squats or hack or just leg press/lunges

week 2:

Back: hyperextensions
legs: squats

continue....

strawser9 · 05-01-2007, 03:45 PM

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I would put them first on back day.

1st makes the rest of your w/o ****

are you doing them to get bigger, or to get stronger??

doing barbell rows, pulldowns, t-bar rows...with a sore lower back: is horrible

slippy1_4u · 05-02-2007, 02:36 AM

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1st makes the rest of your w/o ****

are you doing them to get bigger, or to get stronger??

doing barbell rows, pulldowns, t-bar rows...with a sore lower back: is horrible

I have to agree with strawser you there mate, doing deadlifts first does make the rest of my workout ****. I never do deadlifts to the point where my back is sore during a workout, but it still knackers out my lower back so I have trouble doing bb row as heavy as I'd like.

I imagine it is best to cycle them every other week as I've fallen in love with power cleans as well now and I'm not sure I'd want to do them in the same workout. Oh and I do deadlift in the 4-8 rep range, so it is mostly for strength but not entirely.

Another option would be to move my leg workouts to thursday on weeks I do deadlifts. Would put me lifting two days in a row which I've found isn't brilliant whilst dieting, but it would save me from having to do less effective exercises (I'm sure plenty of people get great results from front squats and hacks but back squats work best for me). Then again if I don't get doms in my lower back from deadlifting on back day I'm sure I wouldn't have any trouble doing my usual leg routine.