As Time Goes By.....

[Below 30]

Men start to realize that they are missing out on the world of female interaction. The question is, why do they keep letting so much time pass, before they take charge?

In this age of internet forums and commercial books like "The Game". Men still let so much time go by, when there is so much information they can easily access. They never waste time when it comes to doing things that are insignificant like, racking up male friends, play-wrestling with other guys, discussing their genitalia with other guys and exchanging #'s with other guys. But when it comes to females, the one thing they were born for, they avoid them.

Insignificant (in this case), it means not high priority, interms of our purpose on earth. Any straight man, has no problem getting the phone # of some other dude and calling him a friend. But for him to get a # from a female and it's all kinds of fears and folklore about the world comming to an end, if he talks to a girl. Again, this is interms of the age we live in. Males are being hit left and right with info about treating girls like humans and not to be afraid of them. Yet the message is still not getting through.

It's like not matter how much advice you give and how many examples that are provided, guys just fear females to the highest degree. A man could even grow up with more than 3 sisters and he still won't know what to do. So I wonder, where does a man learn that it's cool to feel-up another man, but run across the street if he sees a HB? Even with MTV and hard-core music videos, showing alpha's controlling females with an iron grip, guys still fear females.

I wonder what it will really take, to get young men to understand the mating game early? It's always the same, he becomes 45 years old and then flashes back to college and wonders why he didn't say hi to that one girl.
I talk to a young man and give him examples of what to say to the girl. But instead of doing it, he tells me why he can't. He seems to have done years of serious research on why he can't, but half-assed research on how. Ironically, these would be the guys who believe strongly in marriage and children. I don't believe in those things, yet I don't fear females.

So it seems like evolution has affected every aspect of our being, except the fear men have of talking to women. Ironically, it's only as time goes by, that he sees the light. But by that time, the path is too crowded to reach it.

[Slashed]

I see what you mean. The stuff about phone #'s is usually to do with teenagers that haven't come across a girl before. Most of the threads in this section are usually to do with someone over-analyzing.

[jonny62]

very profound post man..puts some light on this subect,thanks

[wildphucker]

I totally relate to that but it still doesn't help me get over the fear.

It isn't so much a bit of anxiety as it is a completel phobia of rejection.

[Below 30]

Do you guys see, I think I have an interesting way of helping with the fear aspect.....Put fear in you.

Homophobia!

Work with me here. Straight men don't like to be thought of as gay. So what if there was a new criteria for what constitutes being gay, in the public eye. What if that criteria was already met by all men and the only way to erase it, would be to interact with girls more.

Check this example. As a kid, I play wrestled with alot of guy friends. Somebody asks me, if I had play wrestled with any girls, my answer is no. So now I'm labeled as gay, unless..... I start talking to females right away. Only then would the label be lifted. You see, psychology, you implant this in your own head and then tell yourself, there is nothing wrong with gay people, but you are not. Now you tell yourself, if you can feel-up your male buddy, you can surely ask a girl for her phone #.

So remember if you're still scared to talk to a girl, think to yourself about calling your male buddy to come over to play wrestle with you. Get it, try it.

*Nothing agaisnt Gay individuals*

[Russ-T]

What Happened To The Blue Font...........?

[Below 30]

Originally Posted by RustyNail31

What Happened To The Blue Font...........?

Life is a test on many levels and there were certain individuals when I first got here that didn't let me know in a proper manner, that the colour was not pleasing on the eyes. So I needed to see the reaction of the rest of the community, to find out if they are like those few individuals. Test concluded the rest of people are nothing like them fools.

It never bothered my eyes, but appearantly, it is not universal. Black seems to be the new blue.

[Russ-T]

Black might be the new blue to some, but why adapt to what others want be yourself. I mean you have very good advive and everything plus you know when your posting it's cool i think. I mean dont change cause everyone or some ppl want you to only change becuase you want to.

[Below 30]

There are times to fight a battle, but when, is the question. If I am giving out good advice and I'm using a method that the people can't understand or have a problem with, who am I talking to?

If I am reaching 30% of the community and the rest stay away because of the text, that's not a necessary battle to continue anymore. Plus, I made my point to the select individuals. They originally put me in the red when I didn't even understand the whole 'rep' system. So it seems they couldn't beat me and I have nothing more to prove.

This ties into this subject, because no matter what your friends may say about not needing to worry about getting good with females, you have to decide, which battles to fight. "Do I keep trying to win the battle of keeping my male friends, or the battle to be good with girls?" Choose to fight battles that make sense for yourself and know when a battle is won or lost.

[LethalOnGuitarZ]

You should stay blue; your advice stands out enough to warrant a different colour.

[Overun]

One thing you are forgetting is that if you look back though history up to the times of early evolution men and women have never, until recently been considered on par or equal in any social, physical or mental aspect. During the enlightenment, there was the odd exception of a woman or two sitting in on the philosophoies (gathering of intilectuals) however other then this, women have always fought for equality. This has everything to do with why men have problems socializing and talking to women, it has never served a purpose. Typically the role of the woman has been the nurturer, the man the provider. In order to best provide men had to establish themselves in social circles which provide them with the ability of attaining what they want more easily. What is the purpose of socializing with a women? To get what you want more easily? Well considering instinctually men want to reproduce with women, ie sex the ability to provide stability along with genetics is all you need. Sociability with women is a newly introduced concept hence men have not had the time to practice it or become good at it.

[Below 30]

I can understand where you're comming from with the evolution theory. But think about it. In the 80's, young people weren't carrying guns and mass amounts of weapons to school, now, it's like the norm. This is because of the glamourization of gang lifestyles, by the media.

So men have evolved to be more like gangsters, even though they come from high income, suburban backgrounds. But they still can't evolve to ask a girl for her phone #. It's so bad, that alot of guys would rather hide in the bushes and rape a girl walking through the park. Young men today can adapt to almost anything negative the media portrays, but it's like they consciously avoid the message to talk to girls.

If a man has such a high sexual drive that he can make an elaborate plan to stalk a girl and rape a girl, why can't he figure out a conversation starter, to ask for her phone #? He would rather risk being charged with rape and have his picture broadcast, than have one girl say she won't give him her phone #.

[Overun]

Originally Posted by Below 30

I can understand where you're comming from with the evolution theory. But think about it. In the 80's, young people weren't carrying guns and mass amounts of weapons to school, now, it's like the norm. This is because of the glamourization of gang lifestyles, by the media.

So men have evolved to be more like gangsters, even though they come from high income, suburban backgrounds. But they still can't evolve to ask a girl for her phone #. It's so bad, that alot of guys would rather hide in the bushes and rape a girl walking through the park. Young men today can adapt to almost anything negative the media portrays, but it's like they consciously avoid the message to talk to girls.

If a man has such a high sexual drive that he can make an elaborate plan to stalk a girl and rape a girl, why can't he figure out a conversation starter, to ask for her phone #? He would rather risk being charged with rape and have his picture broadcast, than have one girl say she won't give him her phone #.

This ties into my theory as well having to do with mens social circles. Assuming im right that men hang out with other men and socialize with them to make it easier to attain what they want, then these surburban gangsters as you put it are simply adapting to their social surroundings. You did raise the point that men have easily adapted to this situation, however cannot learn to socialize with women. This is exactley the reason why, men have absolutley nothing to gain by socializing with women, that social circle is sexually exculsive and does not offer any other benefits. Evolution in this area is slow, because your completly contradicting your basic programing it just doesnt make sense.

Im all for empowerment of women, but it seems that many men as these message boards can attest to have problems with socializing with women. This is due to the fact that they have strayed from the traditional ideal of what a man is. A man is the provider the woman is the nurturer. A woman is meant to be taken care of by the man, which is typically why relations in which the man is to emotionally entwined or his financial abilities are exceeded by his female partner do not work. Men are becoming more emotional, more "in touch" with themselves and at the same time loosing the very essence of what has traditionally defined men and women. This is where the alpha male comes in, its simply a man who is himself, empowers himself had the confidence and the ability to provide for his partner and family. I always hear women talking about empowerment, about self concept and confidence, where did the men go? Empower youself Man up.

[Brutotal]

Originally Posted by Below 30

. But they still can't evolve to ask a girl for her phone #.

Remember the story where Sue said she couldn't catch a ball, so she'd always close her eyes because it was going to hit her? Someone tried to convince her she could catch the ball and she should keep her eyes open. Then when they threw the ball to her she closed her eyes and was hit? Sue then went on to say that she could never catch a ball and the guy who tried to help her was wrong.

I think the same thing is happending on a large scale with men. "Just have confidence walk up to her and talk" A poor AFC just goes and talks to the girl but misses the confidence part because he doesn't believe it will work. He then gets shot down after missing an essential concept which he ignored and screams it doesn't work.

[Below 30]

"Men are becoming more emotional, more "in touch" with themselves and at the same time loosing the very essence of what has traditionally defined men and women."

Sumed up nicely.

But as men become more emotional, they have no problem interacting with a man, who sell's guns to kill other people. They have no problem interacting with a man who sells narcotics, that messes up brain cells. But they still refuse to interact with a girl, that can provide them with sex.

Emotional, taken to mean more men have become more effeminate. But females don't do half the idiotic barbaric things the men do on daily basis. Example, skateboarders grinding stair rails and landing on their crotch. He doesn't seem to mind taking a risk on his genitals, but he sure as hell can't ask a girl for the phone #.

There is a greater force I feel is at work here, to specifically prevent these guys from talking to a girl.

[Below 30]

Originally Posted by Brutotal

Remember the story where Sue said she couldn't catch a ball, so she'd always close her eyes because it was going to hit her? Someone tried to convince her she could catch the ball and she should keep her eyes open. Then when they threw the ball to her she closed her eyes and was hit? Sue then went on to say that she could never catch a ball and the guy who tried to help her was wrong.

I think the same thing is happending on a large scale with men. "Just have confidence walk up to her and talk" A poor AFC just goes and talks to the girl but misses the confidence part because he doesn't believe it will work. He then gets shot down after missing an essential concept which he ignored and screams it doesn't work.

Yes, that was a great comparison.
So that's what I wonder, what is the force at work to prevent the man from talking to a girl.

On Break.com, there was a video of a TV station that did a story on a man who went to the library to masterbate to online porn. He did this at a computer, almost in the middle of the library, he was caught on hidden video. he had no problem doing this in public, yet I guarantee he can't talk to girls. So why can he tell himself it's ok to masterbate in public, but not talk to a girl.

[Overun]

Originally Posted by Below 30

"Men are becoming more emotional, more "in touch" with themselves and at the same time loosing the very essence of what has traditionally defined men and women."

Sumed up nicely.

But as men become more emotional, they have no problem interacting with a man, who sell's guns to kill other people. They have no problem interacting with a man who sells narcotics, that messes up brain cells. But they still refuse to interact with a girl, that can provide them with sex.


Emotional, taken to mean more men have become more effeminate. But females don't do half the idiotic barbaric things the men do on daily basis. Example, skateboarders grinding stair rails and landing on their crotch. He doesn't seem to mind taking a risk on his genitals, but he sure as hell can't ask a girl for the phone #.

There is a greater force I feel is at work here, to specifically prevent these guys from talking to a girl.

All a matter of their social circle, if a man feels he needs a gun to protect himself and his family he will get one or even if he needs to kill some one who has infringed on his means of attaining what he wants, if a man feels that drugs make him feel good, he will get them, if a man feels he needs sex he will get it. The key here is money buys you a gun, money buys you drugs, money can buy you virtually anything, and all you have to do is work, which is what men are built for. That is the central idea of the man, being a provider work for the means to survive. You can also pay for sex which some men do however the majority choose to do this though a relationship. Heres the tough part how to go about it socially because were not programed to do so. Birds rustle their colour feathers, male animals fight, the roar, they flaunt their physical atributes to attact females. This is typically good looking people usually have good looking mates , its that simple its destiny based on genetics and evolution. Men do not know how to interact with women that can priovide them with sex because never before in history have women been so intelligent, so educated so self sufficent that the typical criteria in which garner a womans interest has become so elivated that not many men can fulfill it.


Men have become more effimanate, because they have difficulty meeting the new expectations women have of them. Mating has become that much more taxing on the male, that much more complicated. The idea of looking masculne has gone from being proud of having hair, the wide broad working shoulders the rough hands to a more groomed man, a more femanine version where we wax, spend 60 dollars on hair cuts, tan, try to look like abercrombie models. This has also corelated to an increase in gay/lesbian couples, this is in no way a coincidence, and i believe the inroad to gender assimilation.


The force you talk about my friend is simply this, men are scared to be themselves, women are empowering themselves so they progress as we regress their expectations increase, ours decrease, we settle they strive for more. Men get emotionally attached and hurt, women move on to biger and better things, and men regress further. It takes alot more to be a real man now a day, alot more to provide for your woman, there are plenty of women out there, the problem is the quality of men has decreased in corelation to the increase in standard of woman.

[Below 30]

That's some serious logic.

[GWDuke]

Originally Posted by Overun

Men do not know how to interact with women that can priovide them with sex because never before in history have women been so intelligent, so educated so self sufficent that the typical criteria in which garner a womans interest has become so elivated that not many men can fulfill it.


Men have become more effimanate, because they have difficulty meeting the new expectations women have of them. Mating has become that much more taxing on the male, that much more complicated. The idea of looking masculne has gone from being proud of having hair, the wide broad working shoulders the rough hands to a more groomed man, a more femanine version where we wax, spend 60 dollars on hair cuts, tan, try to look like abercrombie models. This has also corelated to an increase in gay/lesbian couples, this is in no way a coincidence, and i believe the inroad to gender assimilation.


The force you talk about my friend is simply this, men are scared to be themselves, women are empowering themselves so they progress as we regress their expectations increase, ours decrease, we settle they strive for more. Men get emotionally attached and hurt, women move on to biger and better things, and men regress further. It takes alot more to be a real man now a day, alot more to provide for your woman, there are plenty of women out there, the problem is the quality of men has decreased in corelation to the increase in standard of woman.

I disagree. I know many decent guys with good jobs, good looking, fit & in shape who are single. How many women in this situation are single? Not very many. Just because women's standards have increased doesn't men that they are higher quality. Many make piss poor decisions and end up ruining their lives because they seem to prefer instant gratification (fun) over long term results (responsibility). There are plenty of single mothers out there in their 20s who made poor choices in the men they got involved with.

[Below 30]

*I just noticed the poll and you guys would get a thread closed for me? Man!*

Originally Posted by GWDuke

I disagree. I know many decent guys with good jobs, good looking, fit & in shape who are single. How many women in this situation are single? Not very many. Just because women's standards have increased doesn't men that they are higher quality. Many make piss poor decisions and end up ruining their lives because they seem to prefer instant gratification (fun) over long term results (responsibility). There are plenty of single mothers out there in their 20s who made poor choices in the men they got involved with.

I understand what 'Overun' was saying. The point is, women have elevated what they want to be attracted to in a man, more than nature would naturally have it. He makes a point about the animal world for example, a deer, that the male antlers are enough to intrigue a female.

So for humans, say a man just needed to be big, have a full beard and have a deep voice and he'd have a female no problem. But obviously, strong male looks alone don't do it anymore. So in this day and age, alot of guys don't know what else to do to attract a girl. So guys basically turtle-up around HB's, they don't know where to start. I never thought of it that way before, but I like that logic.

So PUA's had the ability to tap into their mind, dig deep and pull out the natural secrets needed to mentally attract females. Most guys though can't, because most of us get blocked by our parents and the media. Most guys learn from the media that girls are all powerful, the more beautiful they are. An HB10 isn't human, she's the most perfect mystical creature ever created. So to get her, we learn you must tell her she's beautiful, give 50% of your pay check to her and fear her like God.

This thread is not here because most of us don't know this, it's here becaue I'd like to see ideas, on how to get guys to stop thinking of HB10's as super-beings. I want some insight as to what it would take to tell a guy to just say hi to the girl and not have him say, he can't because he's scared. So many guys start threads here for advice, but they never have the courage to follow it. No matter if you give detailed instructions on what to do. That's what I'm really talking about.

I don't want to see these young guys wasting their days fearing girls and getting no action, until they're 50 years old.

[iGirl]

Can someone enlighten me on what is the purpose of having girls schools and boys schools? This concept always baffled me as being anti-social, something that prohibits young people from getting those essential gender interaction skills at the age when it's most important.

I think internet also has a lot to do with this problem. Insted of getting outside to meet people, teens are stuck in front of their screens, sometimes maybe having conversations with females, but this e-dating is distorted. Most of people act differently on the net, therefore guys cannot get those skills that they would otherwise get in real life.

[Overun]

Typically schools with only one gender have been restricted to either the rich or ones which follow distinct religious values. Its simple keeping men with men ensures that their minds stay focused, they develop a strong social circle with other males and in turn allow them to get what they want. Women staying with women ensures that they are raised according to traditionalist values of what it means to be a woman. Think about it, during middle school the teens are going though puberty, consider this like being in heat for an animal. The issue here is the teens are so underdeveloped mentally that their sexual urges can control them quite easily. Ultimatley if you look at schools which are gender excusive, the university enrolment rates are typically higher, so i believe it serves it purpose.

[iGirl]

I don't know, we went to a normal school (girls/boys mixed), noone had problems with their marks because of love or dating issues. I guess you learn to deal with everything at once, exactly like it happens in later life. My last 3 years of school were filled with fun of falling in love, dating etc, I wouldn't want it any different.

[The Experiment]

From personal experiences, I cannot really remember why I avoided interaction with girls. Well, I mean, I talked to them but only rarely and usually only if they initiated. I'm trying to think but nothing really stands out, in terms of a traumatic experience.

Perhaps that was the deal: I wasn't willing to take risks or the effort. Maybe this plays a key role. How much are the boys today risk takers? I'm guessing the ones that don't do well with women are the ones who took the least amount of risk and was the guy that always played it safe. Don't get me wrong, playing it safe is fine...sometimes. Although one thing I learned all too well is that risk and dating go hand in hand. Or most things in life. If you want the best things in life, they are not going to come easy. If you want them, you got to put in the effort.

Much like life. There is always going to be the top 10% that will change the world. The remaining 90% just follow what the 10% say. Most of the ten percenters got there due to taking the right risks and the desire to get things done. The ninety percenters look at the ten percenters throughout life and wonder why they can never get ahead. Its how society seems to work. We seem to be drawn to the monarchists, the authoritarians, and the dictators by nature. This will probably never change, no matter how much social engineering is done.

[Below 30]

I actually agree with the postive academic potential, gender separated schools have. I agree fully with the idea of the virtual world screwing with the natural development of young people and the mating game.

But like priests and children in a church and the perverse under world related to it. I think gender specific schools were based on the same twisted evil ideology. If there is a school of all boys, the men who run it, can practice their pedophilic acts on them. Being so young and surrounded by the one gender, they can be taught it's 'normal'. The selling point to get parents to send their kids there, is that it is keeping the boys away from girls, which will help them to learn better and stay focused.

But boys aren't sexually mature until atleast 13, so how would that ideaology make sense. The male and female body and brain wave patterns are basically the same until puberty. Same goes for the female only schools, with the teachers being female. The assaults are usually carried out by the men who are the top brass at the school.

So I believe that those factors do indeed help to keep men further in the dark about what it really takes to make it in the mating game.

[Below 30]

Hahahahahahhahahhaha!


'The Experiment' with the colourful spirit!

[iGirl]

below 30
I'll rep ya on recharge, you speak some wise words.

[TDE]

Originally Posted by the experiment

from personal experiences, i cannot really remember why i avoided interaction with girls. Well, i mean, i talked to them but only rarely and usually only if they initiated. I'm trying to think but nothing really stands out, in terms of a traumatic experience.

Perhaps that was the deal: I wasn't willing to take risks or the effort. Maybe this plays a key role. How much are the boys today risk takers? I'm guessing the ones that don't do well with women are the ones who took the least amount of risk and was the guy that always played it safe. Don't get me wrong, playing it safe is fine...sometimes. Although one thing i learned all too well is that risk and dating go hand in hand. Or most things in life. If you want the best things in life, they are not going to come easy. If you want them, you got to put in the effort.

Much like life. There is always going to be the top 10% that will change the world. The remaining 90% just follow what the 10% say. Most of the ten percenters got there due to taking the right risks and the desire to get things done. The ninety percenters look at the ten percenters throughout life and wonder why they can never get ahead. Its how society seems to work. We seem to be drawn to the monarchists, the authoritarians, and the dictators by nature. This will probably never change, no matter how much social engineering is done.

qft!

[Briisk]

Originally Posted by Slashed

I see what you mean. The stuff about phone #'s is usually to do with teenagers that haven't come across a girl before. Most of the threads in this section are usually to do with someone over-analyzing.

this.. and i do it too

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