Why is CYTOLEAN "different" for me?

Kohen_Gadol · 03-16-2007, 10:38 PM

I've been getting hammered with PM's (which is why they were shut off) as well as e-mail from hundreds (literally!) of people asking why their Cytolean experience was a little different than someone elses.

"My friend took it and felt euphoric and happy and motivated to work, he had a ton of energy for 6 hours but when I tood it all I noticed was it killed my appetite for 4 hours and made me feel hot too, so what gives?"

I think with this product, more so than with just about any other non-hormonal based product, the individual differences between users will be exceedingly pronounced.

Ideally, when I came up with this idea, I was shooting for a nice, very clean euphoria/positive mental focus with hunger suppression and some thermo effects without making people feel all spun out. This would be the ideal responder and this is how I had hoped EVERYONE would respond of course.

However, because the main mechanism of action of Cytolean is based on a sympathomimetic amine as well as FIVE (5) different MAO-Bi's, this leads to a potentially large variation in how its going to affect people.

Let me give you an example - people respond very differently to the d-amphetamine (which is but a mere methyl group at R-alpha away from PEA!). Today, the medical use for this stuff (its one of the ingredients found in Adderral) is to treat ADD/ADHD. So most people would assume its obvious major effect would be to increase focus, which dextroamphetamine does very well in most (but not all people). If it worked well in all people, there would be no need for alternate ADD/ADHD drugs. In the past D-Amphetamine has been used very well in people as an anorectic. There have been instances where people thought it could be used to treat depression. And many experiments show that it also can increase metabolism. This has also unfortunately been abused for its euphorigenic effects.

So if we look at all the major effects of d-amphetamine and assign them scalar intensities on a level from 1-10, we can say people will notice the following:

Increased mental energy/focus from 1-10

Euphorigenc effects from 1-10

Appetite suppression effect from 1-10

Metabolic booster effect from 1-10

Ideally, we might say we hope that a person using d-amphetamine is able to rate the stuff a "10" in all areas. Realistically, we know this is not the case. The same will be true with all substituted phenethylamines (which d-amphetamine is)...its just going to work a bit differently in different people due to metabolism, brain chemistry, etc.

These differences with Cytolean have the potential to be even more pronounced because Cytolean is absolutely depending on a secondary system (the MAO-Bi system) to make the primary system effective. This leads to more and more potential possibilities on the "scales of effects" - that's just how it is with a product like this. There is no way around it.

It's going to "work" for all people who try it in virtually some manner. There are going to be many people for whom all the effects will be in the 8-10 range and then there will be some people who have a 10 in one area and a 5 in another.

There really is no way around this if you want a "clean" effect and you use PEA.

I've been reluctant to comment much about this stuff since we launched it lest I be accused of self aggrandization. But to be honest, this is a very solid product in a very saturated area and when you compare it to what other stuff you can find in GNC and the like, we hope you're going to say, "this blows it all away" - hey, it's going to be less than $30 for a months supply. I think the price is very reasonable for what you get. I'm guessing in short order you'll probably see places online carrying it for $24.95 or maybe even less.

It's also 100% DSHEA compliant, will not get you into trouble with sanctioning bodies or employment drug testing (as far as we know) and it has a pretty decent safety profile although you ABSOLUTELY should not exceed the suggested dosage on the label per day under ANY circumstances and you should consult a health care provider before using it.

A lot of other "mainstream, big" companies just launched a bunch of fat burners. I do not think any of them are particularly innovative or interesting (some of them have some nice stories and pretty capsules though) or "cutting edge" like Cytolean is. They are also MUCH more money than Cytolean is.

I worked on this idea for a long time in my spare time. It took dozens of iterations to get this tweaked as best we could (and I admit there is always room for improvement). Matt Palada at C-N-W was instrumental in helping me source small amounts of raws (as was a nice Asian man in Quincy, MA who is an herbalist doctor at the Kam Man Asian Market!) over the last...I dunno, 8-9 months? So I really want to thank Matt for his help (he is one of the good guys!).

My biggest "beef" with PEA was that it worked awesome for 15-30 minutes and then it stopped. Even when used with "real" MAO-Bi's like Deprenyl. My primary goal here was to find a way to extend this "quasi-empathogen-entactogen" type effect for as long as realistically possible. I'd like to think most people will get at least 4-6 hours "feel time" out of this before it tapers down and fades away with no crash.

Anyhow, it seems a lot of people like it already and we do not even have bottles to ship out yet!

Plasmajet is being worked on VERY DILIGENTLY all next week. This product has been a real challenge for me, not in that it has been difficult to make it work really well - that was pretty easy! But getting this to taste OK has been a royal pain. And if it tastes like crap and looks like neon orange glop than nobody is going to use it for sure.

I really had hoped this would have been done by now and I'm not happy it has not been. I'm hoping we can get this wrapped up and into production for June 2007. But until we can solve the "works great, tastes like shat" issue, it's gonna wait.

There is another surprise supplement I did (and kept nice and quiet) that Gaspari will launch (without me present!) at the Olympia in 2007. Its more of an add on product to Size-On/SP-250 and its not absolutely better per se ingredient profile-wise to some items out there now (certainly it equals them) except due to some of my connections in mainland China, we are now able to source some really nice amino acids of all sorts at about 1/3rd what they cost to purchase here stateside. Even with slowboat freight, this means it's going to cost only about 2/3rds of what others are paying for the same stuff here now.

Now we had two options - dose this like the other people did and sell it for 70% of the price that everyone else did or we could ramp up the dose of the materials (and its not just free form amino's its gonna have a number of other goodies in it too, some of them are novel...about half a dozen of them are).

Well, my opinion is that if people are willing to spend $49.99 for a 30 day supply of something very good then they will be willing to pay $45 for a 30 day supply of something great and dosed a lot better. So we're compromising
and this product will be less money than similar products but dosed probably 25% higher where you really want it to be.

There will be no need to "proprietary blend" this baby, its obvious, no magic, just more bang for the buck!

Meet SOMATROPIX - you will hear more about this forthcoming goodie in the next 3-4 months and you can probably meet it at the Olympia in 2007. It's not going to get launched though until it tastes better than everything else out there than it competes against! So please be patient.

Hey, I know I can be argumentative, cranky, slow to reply and sometimes I can be downright mean and nasty. I'm human, I am not perfect and never laid claim to being perfect.

I just like making supplements that do what I say they're going to do. I have never hid that I want to make a lot of money either (I'm not going to snow you with the "I'm doing this out of the goodness of my heart to be an altruistic person, braw!"). I still think the best business strategy is not to be the cheapest guy, but to give the customer at least what you promise him and even more if you can. I'm lucky that Rich Gaspari embraces a very similar philosophy because when I tell you I am now pretty much forever married to Gaspari Nutrition (I have a deal that lasts 7-10 years and I will sit on the BoD) I mean it. Rich Gaspari did not make Gaspari Nutrition the rising star and the success that it rapidly has become. Neither did I for that matter. All of you folks out there who took a chance and tried the line, who gave it a shot, you are the ultimate reason for our success.

So I hope you will consider giving Cytolean a shot. I'm confident for most people, they are going to really like this product. And even if it is not a "perfect 10" in each and every way one could measure it...well...all things considered for the majority of people out here, this is going to be one of their favorite fat loss prods and maybe favorite overall prods.

It looks like I am gonna be away for awhile. I have a simple request for you folks who read this. If you like Cytolean, if you really, really, really like it and think it is one of the best diet aids you have ever used or at least that is available in the market place now...I'd like to open a magazine from "the inside" and see that this is the Fat Loss Supplement of 2007 here when bb.com announced their annual awards in the months to come. Lets base these awards on new products that really work and not the same old, same old. You can make the change. Let the admins here know when you like something and when you do not!

Like my buddy Matt Palada is fond of saying, "I'm pressed, but not crushed!"

ZDub212 · 03-16-2007, 10:45 PM

Very well said...definitely an exciting step forward in Gaspari's line. But where are you going?

Nathan1 · 03-16-2007, 10:50 PM

Company Promotion?

drxmn · 03-16-2007, 11:02 PM

Great insight here. If it lives up to it all for me, ill be buying some.

Hopefully Ill get the euphoria/energy and not appetite suppression!

EMISGOD · 03-16-2007, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ZacharyMills

But where are you going?

Also, why no Olympia?

TheUnlikelyToad · 03-16-2007, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ZacharyMills

Very well said...definitely an exciting step forward in Gaspari's line. But where are you going?

Des thanks you for your being so candid...

Keep up tha good work!

Giggety Giggety · 03-16-2007, 11:30 PM

Best of Luck BK

icomefromchaos · 03-16-2007, 11:48 PM

hope you're not leaving why I think you're leaving...

sorry to hear the bad news. good luck sir

TRDE59 · 03-17-2007, 12:04 AM

Best of luck, BK. It sounds like a great product.

I don't mean to sound like a freeloader, but are there still samples available (free or otherwise) so we can try out the effects for ourselves and see if it works satisfactorially for us?

gobigandgohome · 03-17-2007, 01:14 AM

very informative, the months to come will definately be exciting.

deserusan · 03-17-2007, 01:35 AM

Did you take some Cytolean before writing that? Shoot me an e-mail, if you can, about these "new releases."

pu12en12g · 03-17-2007, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Kohen_Gadol

It looks like I am gonna be away for awhile.

Keep your head up man, and good luck.

ab-swing asianbabe · 03-17-2007, 02:42 AM

Best wishes BK!

Btw, did you get my email?

avian · 03-17-2007, 06:12 AM

Good luck. Looking forward to see what you will do with the NO market (never bought into this hype but you got my atention with Plasmajet).

retro_roots · 03-17-2007, 07:11 AM

Personally I'm excited about Soma-whatever I'm all about getting the most bang for my buck.

uhockey · 03-17-2007, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan1

Company Promotion?

I kind of agree, but not entirely......I dig what Bruce is saying, even if I'm pretty sure it's just to generate hype.

Like my review wasn't enought.

I do like the commentary on the MAO-Bs though, there is a HUGE degree of variance per individual and I actually had wondered how the different options would manifest in different phenotypes.

Blap Blaow · 03-17-2007, 07:16 AM

kbi

jamesyot · 03-17-2007, 10:59 AM

Plasmajet is being worked on VERY DILIGENTLY all next week. This product has been a real challenge for me, not in that it has been difficult to make it work really well - that was pretty easy! But getting this to taste OK has been a royal pain. And if it tastes like crap and looks like neon orange glop than nobody is going to use it for sure.

I really had hoped this would have been done by now and I'm not happy it has not been. I'm hoping we can get this wrapped up and into production for June 2007. But until we can solve the "works great, tastes like shat" issue, it's gonna wait.

I dont care how bad plasmajet taste, if it works thats all that counts to me
Look forward to seeing it soon.

TooPowerful4u · 03-17-2007, 12:25 PM

Great post Bruce. Every employee of this company CARES (for the company and its sucess and also about our customers) and is not JUST an employee. Thats what makes us better than the rest. Thats what makes us the best. I cant count how many employees we have now (i assure you its a LOT) that are cream of the crop and were offered alot more money by other companies and were aggressivly persued... yet chose to work for us. They know what we are all about, what our plans are for, our reputation and honor, and they know this company will soon be at the very top because of it. I am not sure the bb.com awards are given solely on votes, but if it is there should be no competition with Cytolean in the next year. If the votes are truly valid and not swayed, then it is a guarantee. Good luck, we will all keep in touch....and keep you informed.... thank you for allowing us to produce the best products possible and become #1

deserusan · 03-17-2007, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by retro_roots

Personally I'm excited about Soma-whatever I'm all about getting the most bang for my buck.

Me too. I don't even know what it is.

dwm230000 · 03-17-2007, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TooPowerful4u

Great post Bruce. Every employee of this company CARES (for the company and its sucess and also about our customers) and is not JUST an employee. Thats what makes us better than the rest. Thats what makes us the best. I cant count how many employees we have now (i assure you its a LOT) that are cream of the crop and were offered alot more money by other companies and were aggressivly persued... yet chose to work for us. They know what we are all about, what our plans are for, our reputation and honor, and they know this company will soon be at the very top because of it. I am not sure the bb.com awards are given solely on votes, but if it is there should be no competition with Cytolean in the next year. If the votes are truly valid and not swayed, then it is a guarantee. Good luck, we will all keep in touch....and keep you informed.... thank you for allowing us to produce the best products possible and become #1

And you're humble too.

Patrick Arnold · 03-17-2007, 03:55 PM

seriously though, i would like to try the stuff just to see what all the hype is about. However, I am sensitive to caffeine levels over 300mg so i wanna make sure this stuff is not overly loaded with caffeine first. So if you don't mind me asking, how much caffeine is in each serving?

Patrick Arnold · 03-17-2007, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TooPowerful4u

Great post Bruce. Every employee of this company CARES (for the company and its sucess and also about our customers) and is not JUST an employee. Thats what makes us better than the rest. Thats what makes us the best. I cant count how many employees we have now (i assure you its a LOT) that are cream of the crop and were offered alot more money by other companies and were aggressivly persued... yet chose to work for us. They know what we are all about, what our plans are for, our reputation and honor, and they know this company will soon be at the very top because of it. I am not sure the bb.com awards are given solely on votes, but if it is there should be no competition with Cytolean in the next year. If the votes are truly valid and not swayed, then it is a guarantee. Good luck, we will all keep in touch....and keep you informed.... thank you for allowing us to produce the best products possible and become #1

please, enough. this is insulting to alot of other very reputable and capable companies. you are NOT doing gaspari a service by posting this

how many other companies have you worked for? how many other companies facilities have you visited? yes, everyone's baby is the cutest baby and everyone's daddy can beat up everyone elses.

deserusan · 03-17-2007, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

seriously though, i would like to try the stuff just to see what all the hype is about. However, I am sensitive to caffeine levels over 300mg so i wanna make sure this stuff is not overly loaded with caffeine first. So if you don't mind me asking, how much caffeine is in each serving?

It's in a prop blend. I can send you some if you would like.

drxmn · 03-17-2007, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

please, enough. this is insulting to alot of other very reputable and capable companies. you are NOT doing gaspari a service by posting this

how many other companies have you worked for? how many other companies facilities have you visited? yes, everyone's baby is the cutest baby and everyone's daddy can beat up everyone elses.

Agreed completely.

deserusan · 03-17-2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

please, enough. this is insulting to alot of other very reputable and capable companies. you are NOT doing gaspari a service by posting this

how many other companies have you worked for? how many other companies facilities have you visited? yes, everyone's baby is the cutest baby and everyone's daddy can beat up everyone elses.

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Originally Posted by babolat06

Agreed completely.

Aye...it will be addressed.

Patrick Arnold · 03-17-2007, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by deserusan

Aye...it will be addressed.

ha ha!! fire his ass!!

then he can come work for us and we can abuse him.

"So every other company sucks, eh? Well it don't suck as much as scrubbin the production workers toilets with a toothbrush!!! Now lets here it loud this time!! er-go-PHARM!! er-go-PHARM!!"

drxmn · 03-17-2007, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by deserusan

Aye...it will be addressed.

uhockey · 03-17-2007, 04:53 PM

at this exchange.

I'd be shocked if cytolean's caffeine is even 200, judging from my my experience with it, but I guess anything is possible.

Also, we definitely need more people desiring abuse at DS.

Kohen_Gadol · 03-17-2007, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

seriously though, i would like to try the stuff just to see what all the hype is about. However, I am sensitive to caffeine levels over 300mg so i wanna make sure this stuff is not overly loaded with caffeine first. So if you don't mind me asking, how much caffeine is in each serving?

I will make sure that you get a hot sample with a gram of caffeine or more in it then!

If I have some sent to you are you going to "lick your balls" and then send us an e-mail telling us what you found which we will never receive? If we send you free samples are you going to send them back to us after you run them through GC/MS?

Hah...the guy who would not leave a beer at the table with me because he is afraid I would stick my finger in it or spit in it (or drop a couple hundred micrograms of window pane in it) wants to try a sports nutrition product I designed?

You should have asked about this in a PM, Patrick...now you know all the conspiracy theorists out there are going to start with all the nonsense again.

Worse, should "THE EARTH STAND STILL!" (inside joke) and you actually like the stuff you know you can't say anything here anyhow or else...well then the "see, I knew it was an unholy alliance!" junk is going to flow freely.

Send me an address by e-mail and I'll see if I can get the goombahs in NJ to find a few samples for you.

Or you could open up the latest issue of Oxygen magazine (I know you keep a copy of this by the crapper...I will not comment on why the pages are stuck together though) and respond to our offer for free samples of Cytolean.

Relish that?

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