Transdermal Test for cycle?

[dsw222]

I'm not planning on doing a strength cycle until late summer or early fall. I'm still researching a lot, so please dont jump on me for asking a question like this...

I really really really hate needles but want to do a cycle to gain some mass. What are your opinions of a transdermal test stacked with dbol tabs? I would also add in nolvadex to prevent gyno. Would you stack something else in there or make a replacement?

I would really like to avoid pins, and from what I have been reading it seems that orals would be ok for a cycle or two and wouldnt cause liver damage unless theyre used for long periods of time...

Like I said, I'm still reading up a lot of stuff on gear in general because I want to be very well prepared before going on something, so please dont be hostile :-)

I appreciate any help/learning info i can get!

[sicdeusvult]

Originally Posted by dsw222

I'm not planning on doing a strength cycle until late summer or early fall. I'm still researching a lot, so please dont jump on me for asking a question like this...

I really really really hate needles but want to do a cycle to gain some mass. What are your opinions of a transdermal test stacked with dbol tabs? I would also add in nolvadex to prevent gyno. Would you stack something else in there or make a replacement?

I would really like to avoid pins, and from what I have been reading it seems that orals would be ok for a cycle or two and wouldnt cause liver damage unless theyre used for long periods of time...

Like I said, I'm still reading up a lot of stuff on gear in general because I want to be very well prepared before going on something, so please dont be hostile :-)

I appreciate any help/learning info i can get!

IMO either go injectables or go for an oral designer supplement/gear like superdrol/pheraplex/epistane. Transdermals suck, you can't tell how much actually absorbed, and there's a ton of factors that can prevent you from getting nearly the dose you thought you were getting.


down with transdermals. up with injectables and *yes, gasp* up with designer gear. at least with those you know how much is in you and can predict it a little better, than having an unknown quantity of transdermal in you.

[Bansky]

get over it man, needles arent bad at all. have someone give you the injection if you cant handle doing it yourself.

[dsw222]

I hate needles :-(

I've read a lot of posts on here about injecting and all the stuff about hitting a vein or nudging a nerve in the ass... they all scare me to the point of not wanting to deal with it. I dunno, maybe I should just get over it, but it just seems that orals would be a lot safer in my eyes.

[sicdeusvult]

Originally Posted by dsw222

I hate needles :-(

I've read a lot of posts on here about injecting and all the stuff about hitting a vein or nudging a nerve in the ass... they all scare me to the point of not wanting to deal with it. I dunno, maybe I should just get over it, but it just seems that orals would be a lot safer in my eyes.

the first shot is always the worst. but on, dont have anyone else do it to you. would you rather someone else be responsible for screwing up? personally, if it were me, i'd be teh only one putting something into *my own* body, not somebody else (unless its a nursing student, a RN, dr, etc. someone certified/educated).

injecting is easy. and after a while (rotating it from left glute to right and vice versa) the muscle hardens/deadens so you dont feel the sting anymore really. hitting a nerve? yeah, but u gotta know where to put it and youll be fine. hitting a vein, who cares its ok. pull out, restick and youre fine, just dont shoot into it. its not a good feeling. ill paste to you what i wrote to some guy when he messed up his shot and did it in an idiotic fashion (2cc's in his freakin tricep lol)

Originally Posted by sicdeusvult

another thing bro, don't forget to aspirate. also, if you're running an oil based gear then don't rub it in after you shoot it. from what i remember, if its water based like winny you can rub it, but if its oil don't touch it aside from just pressure to stop the bleeding. you don't want it to spread around, since its an IM shot.

Instead, use one hand to pull the skin back so when you inject straight down into the muscle, you can aspirate easily, and when you pull out you let go of the skin and since the skin was stretched and not centered, the oil will not leak out of you.


glutes + quads best place for shots IMO.

and i dont think theres been any conclusive evidence about spot injections making more muscle growth around the injection site....im pretty sure it doesnt work that way. might as well shoot glutes, most fatty site and has the least amount of nerves.


ever hit a nerve? yeah... lol

also, in regard to the glute inj. spot, it's like the upper and outer quadrant of that particular glute.

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replace with s. t. e r. o.i.d & take out spaces. tons and otns of info there, esp on the forums too. great resource there. research chems too

and ALWAYS GET THE AIR BUBBLES OUT! the big ones at least, theres tiny ones you will never be able to get rid of.

and most importantly: STERILE! swab the rubber top of the bottle, swab the area with an alch swab in an outward spiral (common mistake is to swab over without a pattern, that just keeps it dirty), and swab once post IntraMuscular shot and apply pressure. throw them away after each specific use,

Original thread: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...1#post22075201 :

[dsw222]

Thanks for the replies I appreciate the advice and info

I'll keep all that in mind if I decide to go through with it and inject. I just have always hated needles, even getting little shots at the doc's bother me. I guess its just a psychological thing cause its not like theres a lot of pain... just the concept of sticking a needle into muscle makes me cringe.

I'll keep looking into injecting and how to prevent hitting nerves and everything, but I'll also keep designers in mind. Maybe I'll try a cycle of something like that first before going into injections. It just seems that needles take it to a whole new level.

[dsw222]

What about Anavar cycles? Some of the threads that turned up in a search said that 8-10 pounds of lean muscle can be gained...

That could be a good place to start for me before going into injections. I read its expensive, but I feel that the extra money would be well spent if I dont have to inject (even if I dont gain as much as I would on test base inject or other cycles)

Since anavar is said to be a weaker steroid, could something be used at the beginning of an anavar cycle to "kick start" it, or add some more power to it? Like dbol for a couple weeks?

Please forgive me if these questions are stupid but I'm here to learn.

I just want to play it safe for my first cycle but still get some gains.