stretching and then lifting

[wimp2pimp]

I found a really good stretch for groins. I go on the transverse hip adductor machine where you set how far apart your legs start out, and I usually put it at the farthest level apart, and one notch higher. And then I bend over forward for about 1 minute. This stretch exhausts the **** out of me, and immediately after that minute, I start pulling the weight for 10 rep max, and do it maybe 3 times.

Anyone see any problems to doing this? Would having that hardcore of stretch RIGHT before lifting the same muscles actually hurt it?

[bigboy15]

Originally Posted by wimp2pimp

I found a really good stretch for groins. I go on the transverse hip adductor machine where you set how far apart your legs start out, and I usually put it at the farthest level apart, and one notch higher. And then I bend over forward for about 1 minute. This stretch exhausts the **** out of me, and immediately after that minute, I start pulling the weight for 10 rep max, and do it maybe 3 times.

Anyone see any problems to doing this? Would having that hardcore of stretch RIGHT before lifting the same muscles actually hurt it?

Seems like you could get the same effect doing a butterfly stretch, but if you like sitting on a machine with your legs spread wide open, to each his own.

Ideally you would want to stretch the muscle after you have worked it, not before.

[niceasey]

Originally Posted by wimp2pimp

I found a really good stretch for groins. I go on the transverse hip adductor machine where you set how far apart your legs start out, and I usually put it at the farthest level apart, and one notch higher. And then I bend over forward for about 1 minute. This stretch exhausts the **** out of me, and immediately after that minute, I start pulling the weight for 10 rep max, and do it maybe 3 times.

Anyone see any problems to doing this? Would having that hardcore of stretch RIGHT before lifting the same muscles actually hurt it?

There is (apparently) lots of research that indicates stretching before lifting weights hampers performance and your better off doing warm sets and stretching afterwards.

[BluntMan420]

Originally Posted by bigboy15

Seems like you could get the same effect doing a butterfly stretch, but if you like sitting on a machine with your legs spread wide open, to each his own.

Ideally you would want to stretch the muscle after you have worked it, not before.

Originally Posted by niceasey

There is (apparently) lots of research that indicates stretching before lifting weights hampers performance and your better off doing warm sets and stretching afterwards.

These guys both hit the nail on the head!

[wimp2pimp]

Originally Posted by bigboy15

Seems like you could get the same effect doing a butterfly stretch, but if you like sitting on a machine with your legs spread wide open, to each his own.

Ideally you would want to stretch the muscle after you have worked it, not before.

the sitting and butterfly compared to the one i described is like standing hamstring stretch holding the oly bar, compared to sitting on the floor and doing the hamstring stretch. One is easier than the other, and i think provides a better stretch because you have gravity + the bar helping push you down. The machine forces your groins to be stretched out, while you can pull your upper body closer toward your knees

[hulkinout]

I believe in the research about stretching beforehand hampering gains, but only up to a point. For muscle groups that are notoriously tight, such as lower back or hams, I myself find I perform better with some light, 30-second static stretches before doing those parts. Nothing too aggressive. The difference on moves like squats and SLDL's is noticeable.

I stopped the pre-workout stretching for a while because of those articles, and my ROM on squats got worse and worse, even though I still stretched aggressively after the workout.

Just my 2-cents.

[wimp2pimp]

Originally Posted by hulkinout

I believe in the research about stretching beforehand hampering gains, but only up to a point. For muscle groups that are notoriously tight, such as lower back or hams, I myself find I perform better with some light, 30-second static stretches before doing those parts. Nothing too aggressive. The difference on moves like squats and SLDL's is noticeable.

I stopped the pre-workout stretching for a while because of those articles, and my ROM on squats got worse and worse, even though I still stretched aggressively after the workout.

Just my 2-cents.

i've actually had similiar results. On my rest day, I went into the gym for only stretching and jogging. And when I was about to leave (really warmed up), I decided to do a set of squats, and my form was noticably better.