Egypt is against democracy and voting..!

[deeyala]

Egypt is scoffing at a global contest to name the new seven wonders of the world, saying it is a disgrace that the ancient Pyramids of Giza — the only surviving structure from the traditional list of architectural marvels — must compete for a spot.


Top Egyptian officials have criticized the popular contest that urges people around the world to vote for their top sites from a list of 21 finalists that lumps the pyramids with upstart wonders like the Statue of Liberty, the Eiffel Tower and Peru's Machu Picchu.

The pyramids are "living in the hearts of people around the globe, and don't need a vote to be among the world wonders," said the head of Egypt's Supreme Council of Antiquities, Zahi Hawass, according to the state-run Middle East News Agency.

Egyptian officials refused to meet with the organizer of the "New 7 Wonders of the World" contest, the Swiss adventurer Bernard Weber, when he visited Egypt earlier this month, said the contest's spokeswoman Tia B. Viering. When Weber tried to hold a press conference near the pyramids, she said, police shut it down.

Organizers say the hostility is unwarranted, claiming the competition is supposed to renew international interest in culture and history, not strip the pyramids of their ancient status.

"The contest is not about taking something away, it's about moving something into modern times," Viering said.

The Egyptian pyramids are the only surviving structures from the traditional list of seven wonders of the ancient world, derived by later authors from various lists of marvels cited by ancient Greek and Roman writers.

Besides the pyramids, according to the Encyclopedia Britannica, the best known list includes the Hanging Gardens of Babylon, the Colossus of Rhodes, the ancient lighthouse that once stood on the island of Pharos in Alexandria, Egypt, and three other long-vanished edifices.

Choosing a new roster of world wonders has attracted ongoing interest over the years: The United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization, UNESCO, list of World Heritage Sites includes 830 selections.

Weber started his project in 1999, collecting nearly 200 nominations. That list was eventually narrowed to 21 by a panel of architectural experts, chaired by former UNESCO chief Federico Mayor.

But Weber wanted the masses to pick the top seven. People can vote on the Internet, by phone or by sending a cell phone text message until July 6. The seven winners will be announced on the symbolic date of July 7.

Half of the revenues raised by the campaign will go toward restoring historic sites, including the Bamiyan Buddha statue in Afghanistan, which was destroyed by the Taliban regime.

As part of the campaign, Weber is visiting each of the 21 sites, which also include the Great Wall of China, the Sydney Opera House, Stonehenge and the Acropolis in Athens.

Almost everywhere Weber has gone, he has been welcomed, but not in Egypt.

"We think it's about ego, and we don't know why the hostility is there," Viering said in a telephone interview from Belgium this weekend.

Egypt's Culture Minister Farouk Hosni, according to the Middle East News Agency, called the contest "nonsense" and "an attempt to seek celebrity and their efforts to meet Egyptian officials to give the contest significance won't take place. They have to understand the archaeological and the historical stature of the pyramids."

Egypt's ire may not hurt the pyramid's chances of making it on the new list. With more than 24 million votes so far, Viering said tombs — which are more than 4,000 years old — are in the top seven.

"We know that people all around the world want the pyramids as part of this as do people in Egypt," Viering said.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070128/..._seven_wonders

[deeyala]

Now go here and vote for the pyramids




Who said you have the right to choose your favorite monument???
LOL

[NuggzTheNinja]

Originally Posted by deeyala

Now go here and vote for the pyramids




Who said you have the right to choose your favorite monument???
LOL

Ahh, Egypt's greatest achievement: a product of slave labor. How curious.

[deeyala]

Originally Posted by NuggzTheNinja

Ahh, Egypt's greatest achievement: a product of slave labor. How curious.

Wow strong ignorance ,Nuggz..!


Actually supposedly it was an honour to contribute in building the final resting place of Pharoah who was believed to be their god's incarnation/ son/ himself or whatever..
And as messed up as it may sound, it was actually in their belief that such an act of serivtude helps attain a status closer to their god

[NuggzTheNinja]

Originally Posted by deeyala

Wow strong ignorance ,Nuggz..!


Actually supposedly it was an honour to contribute in building the final resting place of Pharoah who was believed to be their god's incarnation/ son/ himself or whatever..
And as messed up as it may sound, it was actually in their belief that such an act of serivtude helps attain a status closer to their god

Wow strong ignorance: not everyone in Egypt gave a **** about their idol-worshipping religion.

[moustafa_samat]

The pyramides in egypt created society as we know it today. It needed a state to build something like that. people united together and saw, what they can achieve. That is the woder of the pyramides. And no slave build it. It is build from the normal egyptians. They build it when the nile had high water and they couldn´t work on their fields. it was a honor for evrybody, to get a piecy of eternity.

[deeyala]

Originally Posted by NuggzTheNinja

Wow strong ignorance: not everyone in Egypt gave a **** about their idol-worshipping religion.

Actually Egyptians did..!

Chill out..

[NuggzTheNinja]

Originally Posted by deeyala

Actually Egyptians did..!

Chill out..

I wouldn't consider Jewish slaves "Egyptians".

[timmy47]

actually i read that they werent really slaves in egypt. they were actually treated pretty decent. i watched a video on it in history class that said they were more like workers and got paid or fed(one of those).not up to todays standards but not as bad as people think.

[timmy47]

Originally Posted by NuggzTheNinja

I wouldn't consider Jewish slaves "Egyptians".

and actually there isnt a lot of evidence to show that there ever was an exedus and jewish slaves in egypt. although it is also believed that something like that would not have been recorded by the egyptians because it would look bad. but as far as i know there hasnt really been a lot of physical evidence supporting the exedus i think the only documentation on this is the bible.

[moustafa_samat]

Originally Posted by NuggzTheNinja

I wouldn't consider Jewish slaves "Egyptians".

jews were never in egypt. And at the time the pyramides were build, there existed no jews. Egyptians collected evrything that happened in their country and jews are never mentioned. Anotherthing is, that Egyptians had never slaves in their history. It wasn´t common. The pyramides were holy places and no egyptian would allow a jew to touch it. The o9ld testament is nothing more than a funny story, but science has proved, that it is wrong.

[NuggzTheNinja]

Originally Posted by timmy47

and actually there isnt a lot of evidence to show that there ever was an exedus and jewish slaves in egypt. although it is also believed that something like that would not have been recorded by the egyptians because it would look bad. but as far as i know there hasnt really been a lot of physical evidence supporting the exedus i think the only documentation on this is the bible.

Ah yes, another Jewish conspiracy no doubt.

[deeyala]

Originally Posted by NuggzTheNinja

I wouldn't consider Jewish slaves "Egyptians".

Oh! i should have guessed the origin of your concern


I give you my word no Jewish slave was hurt in the process of the building...





































Since it's historicallly impossible

Basically the pyramids were built around 2570 BC nad Judaism started with the renewal of the convent with Moses at around 1200 BC...



Even if you consider Judaism started with Abraham, that would still be historically impossible since that was like , what?, 2000 BC??

Happy now?

So people who built these pyramids were actually polytheistic idol worshippers who enjoyed every second of building it

[NuggzTheNinja]

Originally Posted by moustafa_samat

jews were never in egypt. And at the time the pyramides were build, there existed no jews. Egyptians collected evrything that happened in their country and jews are never mentioned. Anotherthing is, that Egyptians had never slaves in their history. It wasn´t common. The pyramides were holy places and no egyptian would allow a jew to touch it. The o9ld testament is nothing more than a funny story, but science has proved, that it is wrong.

Nothing more than a funny story that your koran is based off of, yes?

Reported.

[NuggzTheNinja]

Originally Posted by deeyala

Oh! i should have guessed the origin of your concern


I give you my word no Jewish slave was hurt in the process of the building...


Since it's historicallly impossible

Basically the pyramids were built around 2570 BC nad Judaism started with the renewal of the convent with Moses at around 1200 BC...

Even if you consider Judaism started with Abraham, that would still be historically impossible since that was like , what?, 2000 BC??

Happy now?

So people who built these pyramids were actually polytheistic idol worshippers who enjoyed every second of building it

"Israelites", "Hebrews", "Jews"...let's not pick semantics here.

[Lysoloutdajoint]

Originally Posted by NuggzTheNinja

Ah yes, another Jewish conspiracy no doubt.

lol. I certainly believe there were Jews in Egypt, no doubt.

[moustafa_samat]

Originally Posted by NuggzTheNinja

Nothing more than a funny story that your koran is based off of, yes?

Reported.

And thats the reason, why quran is right and jews follow the wrong path. Quran corrected the lies that jews believe. Jews still follow it.

[Lloyd Braun]

Which wonder has garnered the most votes so far?

[NuggzTheNinja]

Originally Posted by moustafa_samat

And thats the reason, why quran is right and jews follow the wrong path. Quran corrected the lies that jews believe. Jews still follow it.

You're obviously a product of your country's f-cked up Muslim educational system. Devoid of historical knowledge, no listening, all talk.

And you wonder why you aren't a member of the EU? Hah. Good luck with that.

[deeyala]

Originally Posted by NuggzTheNinja

"Israelites", "Hebrews", "Jews"...let's not pick semantics here.

No, please. Let's do exactly that...


So according to you Jews always existed in Egypt even before Judaism started??

Is it even possible to have Jews- descendents of Sam, Levi...etc - sons of ISRAEL - before Abraham (pbuh), that's like before Israel himself was born, eh?


So, please elaborate..

How is that even possible..
When did Israelites came to existence? before Jacob (pbuh)?
before prophet Abraham?

[deeyala]

Originally Posted by Perspacitos

Which wonder has garnered the most votes so far?

They wouldn't tell..
They accidently mentioned the pyramids were still among the "top 7 ", though (inorder to try and soften Egypt's stance from the competition)

[timmy47]

Originally Posted by NuggzTheNinja

Ah yes, another Jewish conspiracy no doubt.

or you know, just a story like the ark and the rest. i think that story is more for the message behind it (maybe that they are gods children? i dunno) and not to be taken as fact. they suposedly wondered the desert for 40 years. the desert the roamed wasnt even that big. and you think after 40 years theyd leave behind some evidence of being there. there hasnt been any or enough significant evidence to show they were ever there, or in egypt as far as i know. if you can show more evidence besides the word of the bible then be my guest and prove me wrong.

[Lloyd Braun]

Originally Posted by deeyala

They wouldn't tell..
They accidently mentioned the pyramids were still among the "top 7 ", though (inorder to try and soften Egypt's stance from the competition)

If the list is supposed to take the place of the old ancient wonders of the world list it would still be hard to make a case not to put the pyramids on it.

If it's supposed to take it's place I'd probably replace my pick of the Kremlin with the Pyramids. The Pyramids are right up there with the Great Wall of China and the Colloseum IMHO.

[moustafa_samat]

Why you discuss with a religious fanatic? It´s fact, that no jews were in egypt.

[NuggzTheNinja]

Originally Posted by moustafa_samat

Why you discuss with a religious fanatic? It´s fact, that no jews were in egypt.

It's also a pretty commonly known fact that there never was any such thing as a "Palestinian" people as well.

[deeyala]

Originally Posted by moustafa_samat

Why you discuss with a religious fanatic? It´s fact, that no jews were in egypt.

Well actually it's still a disputed fact..
And if you believe in the Qur'an, then i am afraid that's enough proof for you they were there..!



eventhough, Nuggz got all the dates mixed up..

[Lysoloutdajoint]

Originally Posted by moustafa_samat

Why you discuss with a religious fanatic? It´s fact, that no jews were in egypt.

And your gritsy granny has holes in her panties! BYAAA!


Anyways, that isnt proven fact by any means of the word.

[deeyala]

Originally Posted by Perspacitos

If the list is supposed to take the place of the old ancient wonders of the world list it would still be hard to make a case not to put the pyramids on it.

If it's supposed to take it's place I'd probably replace my pick of the Kremlin with the Pyramids. The Pyramids are right up there with the Great Wall of China and the Colloseum IMHO.

I am under the impression it's a replacement..
And BTW i thought your Kremlin choice was WAY too weird he he he

[deeyala]

Originally Posted by NuggzTheNinja

It's also a pretty commonly known fact that there never was any such thing as a "Palestinian" people as well.

No, Nuggz sweetie..

Come back here and let's discuss how Jews inhabited Egypt before Judaism even existed , first...


We can move over to discussing Palestinians afterwards

[moustafa_samat]

Originally Posted by NuggzTheNinja

It's also a pretty commonly known fact that there never was any such thing as a "Palestinian" people as well.

You know what a very funny thing is? When jews try to provocate a muslim with palestine...The funny thing is, in turkey, we give a **** about palestine