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11-29-2009, 12:39 PM
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they make PH but not anti-estrogen serms etc?
just curious why all labs make PH but not a got PCT to go with them ?
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11-29-2009, 12:45 PM
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supplement manufacturers cannot legally produce pharmaceutical serms
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11-29-2009, 12:52 PM
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supplement manufacturers cannot legally produce pharmaceutical serms
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i think what he is saying is if they can make designer anabolics which mimic effects of prescription steroids, why can't they do the same with serms?
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11-29-2009, 01:00 PM
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if they could... legally, then they would be onto a gold mine but since it hasnt been done im guesing it wont be
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11-29-2009, 01:06 PM
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if they could... legally, then they would be onto a gold mine but since it hasnt been done im guesing it wont be
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i am thinking formestane is closest to a prescription ai, since it was originally used for breast cancer treatment.
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11-29-2009, 01:22 PM
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No where near aromasin, letro, etc. And AI's are shytty for pct anyway. Serms are far superior.
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11-29-2009, 01:24 PM
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No where near aromasin, letro, etc. And AI's are shytty for pct anyway. Serms are far superior.
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i have found td formestane to be effective. since i don't have a script for prescription serms or ai's i would rather take my chances with otc's than risky research chems- i wonder if pa or anyone else has ever analyzed research chems to see how much active is in them, or if it is even what it is claimed to be. absolutely no quality control whatsoever with research chems, imo.
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anyways... back topic
i am surprised that some clever chemist hasnt devised a legal alternative especially with how many PHs/DSs have been devised.
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11-29-2009, 01:33 PM
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anyways... back topic
i am surprised that some clever chemist hasnt devised a legal alternative especially with how many PHs/DSs have been devised.
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Me too. If they can alter a banned PH by a molecule or two and that gets it passed as ok for sale why can't they take tamoxifen for example and slightly alter it's make up but keep the same basic SERM properties it has?
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11-29-2009, 01:34 PM
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That's bb.com science. Pharma grade stuff is just as available on the net. There are countless people who have used research chem sites with bloodwork to back them up. Let me know if you want to hear the real and the raw.
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and there are countless people who have got screwed/scammed over
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11-29-2009, 01:45 PM
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No one deserves to get scammed, but I agree that a little research and a few questions and its easy to determine legit from fake sites usually, though not always.
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11-29-2009, 01:46 PM
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Quote:
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By altering the chemical structure its properties would be unpredictably changed. It may still be a serm, but more than likely no where near as effective or safe as originals, but hey, that's what OTC PCT is all about.
They deserved to get scammed. Anyone with half a brain and access to google can find dozens of reliable sites.
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how can you predict is would be no where near as effective or safe?
OTC is all about being legal and more likely to be safer POMs, and the ease of which they can be obtained.
so back on topic........
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11-29-2009, 01:52 PM
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In 4 months I'll have a degree in biochemistry and molecular biology. If you don't want to accept the right answer I'm cool with that.
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im cool with that, so... back on topic
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11-29-2009, 01:56 PM
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Quote:
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i think what he is saying is if they can make designer anabolics which mimic effects of prescription steroids, why can't they do the same with serms?
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Ph's don't mimic, they either convert to steroids or already are their own steroids. in terms of mimicking I think reversitol mimics a serm, doesn't it? But that doesn't make it a replacement for a serm,
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11-29-2009, 02:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AbysmalConflict
That's bb.com science. Pharma grade stuff is just as available on the net. There are countless people who have used research chem sites with bloodwork to back them up. Let me know if you want to hear the real and the raw.
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no what it is, plain and simple is greed. if they have a demand for one thing and little raw's to make it, what is stopping them from substituting-or diluting. you really have as much chance of knowing exactly what you are getting from a corner crack dealer- and the quality control is probably just as good.
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