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11-28-2009, 11:53 AM
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Believers: explain this, and I will convert to a religion of your choice (srs)
Explain to me, how could God be good after reading this:
All of your scriptures speak of a loving, caring, good God that hears our prayers and helps us when we need it.
Yet there a babies born every day with serious mental problems, full paralysis or harlequin disease (<-- VERY graphic, I am RAGING every time I see that picture. Seriously, that pic alone proves my point.). They have NO CHANCE for a normal life. All the loving, caring in the world can't help them. God could, but he doesn't do a thing for them.
If God were good, he would help them. He does not, so he is either neutral or non-existant.
To me, these facts mean only one thing. If God exists (let's assume he does), he is neutral. He is not using his powers to do good. I am not talking about giving everyone infinite money, infinite lives, infinite everything. But he should help harlequin babies at the VERY least! But he doesn't. Why should I worship someone who is not good? Just because he is powerful? Why not worship dictators then, hm? Sorry but I respect a poor/weak/powerless but good, moral man more than a very powerful being, that is NOT good.
If you can tell me how, despite these facts, God could be good, I will convert to a religion of your choice. I am being completely serious here. Yes I am an atheist, but that doesn't mean that I wouldn't be happy if there was a good, loving God out there. It would be awesome (srs).
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11-28-2009, 11:55 AM
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Pic made me sad
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11-28-2009, 11:56 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vorian
Explain to me, how could God be good after reading this:
All of your scriptures speak of a loving, caring, good God that hears our prayers and helps us when we need it.
Yet there a babies born every day with serious mental problems, full paralysis or harlequin disease (<-- VERY graphic, I am RAGING every time I see that picture. Seriously, that pic alone proves my point.). They have NO CHANCE for a normal life. All the loving, caring in the world can't help them. God could, but he doesn't do a thing for them.
If God were good, he would help them. He does not, so he is either neutral or non-existant.
To me, these facts mean only one thing. If God exists (let's assume he does), he is neutral. He is not using his powers to do good. I am not talking about giving everyone infinite money, infinite lives, infinite everything. But he should help harlequin babies at the VERY least! But he doesn't. Why should I worship someone who is not good? Just because he is powerful? Why not worship dictators then, hm? Sorry but I respect a poor/weak/powerless but good, moral man more than a very powerful being, that is NOT good.
If you can tell me how, despite these facts, God could be good, I will convert to a religion of your choice. I am being completely serious here. Yes I am an atheist, but that doesn't mean that I wouldn't be happy if there was a good, loving God out there. It would be awesome (srs).
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Go to the R/P section phaggot. This thread does not provide lulz
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11-28-2009, 11:57 AM
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You realize there is a religion forum for sh!tty, pseudo-intellectual posts like these, right?
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11-28-2009, 11:58 AM
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Bad things happen, therefore, God doesn't exist.
1. LOL
2. Take it to the R/P
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11-28-2009, 11:58 AM
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ralph pls stay. ok
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Yes but that gets so little traffic.
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11-28-2009, 11:59 AM
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if you think of the world as god's one big practical joke, then religion makes alot more sense
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11-28-2009, 11:59 AM
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11-28-2009, 12:00 PM
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Our negative view on sufferers of such illnesses is a man made problem. God wants us to love everybody as an equal, those are his tests, tests which we fail.
That's probably what I would say if I believed in god
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11-28-2009, 12:00 PM
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islam believes god is neutral lolz. we believe that god created the universe (yes big bang) and then let things unfold as nature inteded.
now you must convert to wicca!!
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11-28-2009, 12:00 PM
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Fairy tales brah.
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11-28-2009, 12:00 PM
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11-28-2009, 12:02 PM
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this is the dumbest "this is why there is no God" argument ever, and I don't even believe in God either but I know enough to not even have to ask this stupid question.
and why are you so hung up on harlequin fetuses? There are much worse diseases out there. Harlequin babies don't even survive, so it's not like they live with that horrible disease anyway. Life sucks and is unfair, get over it.
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11-28-2009, 12:03 PM
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ralph pls stay. ok
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rupert IV
Our negative view on sufferers of such illnesses is a man made problem. God wants us to love everybody as an equal, those are his tests, tests which we fail.
That's probably what I would say if I believed in god
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Try telling this to the parents of harlequins. Or try saying this while being harlequin. "Oh hai, it's not a problem, you just THINK it is" - God. Thanks God but no.
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11-28-2009, 12:03 PM
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Bad things happen, therefore, God doesn't exist.
1. LOL
2. Take it to the R/P
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11-28-2009, 12:04 PM
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lol cbx43 this isn't a "why there is no God" argument. This alone can't prove that God doesn't exist. But it DOES prove that God is NOT good. But as I said in the OP, explain to me how could he be good despite all these facts.
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11-28-2009, 12:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vorian
Explain to me, how could God be good after reading this:
All of your scriptures speak of a loving, caring, good God that hears our prayers and helps us when we need it.
Yet there a babies born every day with serious mental problems, full paralysis or harlequin disease (<-- VERY graphic, I am RAGING every time I see that picture. Seriously, that pic alone proves my point.). They have NO CHANCE for a normal life. All the loving, caring in the world can't help them. God could, but he doesn't do a thing for them.
If God were good, he would help them. He does not, so he is either neutral or non-existant.
To me, these facts mean only one thing. If God exists (let's assume he does), he is neutral. He is not using his powers to do good. I am not talking about giving everyone infinite money, infinite lives, infinite everything. But he should help harlequin babies at the VERY least! But he doesn't. Why should I worship someone who is not good? Just because he is powerful? Why not worship dictators then, hm? Sorry but I respect a poor/weak/powerless but good, moral man more than a very powerful being, that is NOT good.
If you can tell me how, despite these facts, God could be good, I will convert to a religion of your choice. I am being completely serious here. Yes I am an atheist, but that doesn't mean that I wouldn't be happy if there was a good, loving God out there. It would be awesome (srs).
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First, applying human morality to God is retarded. God created the game and made the rules, he's not a player in the game.
Furthermore, at one time God created a paradise for man to live in. Man violated God's rules and fell from grace. Like man, Satan also fell from grace.
From a biblical perspective, Satan runs **** down here. If you read the bible, note how Satan tempts Jesus by offering him control over the Earth through control of all the world's governments.
Now man has to earn his way into heaven. So if you were Satan and wanted to **** with man's chance at redemption and you were running things, what things might you do to **** with mans chances at redemption? You gotta overcome the bull**** to regain grace.
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11-28-2009, 12:33 PM
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A comprehensive answer to the questions:
Why is there evil in the world?
Why does God not stop people from committing evil?
Why do bad things happen to good people?
Why are people of various ages and innocence afflicted with disease and trials
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...postcount=9211
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11-28-2009, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by SYRIANKID
A comprehensive answer to the questions:
Why is there evil in the world?
Why does God not stop people from committing evil?
Why do bad things happen to good people?
Why are people of various ages and innocence afflicted with disease and trials
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...postcount=9211
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Thank you for providing a link that does not answer any of the questions.
why not post cliffs of the answers here?
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11-28-2009, 12:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vorian
Explain to me, how could God be good after reading this:
All of your scriptures speak of a loving, caring, good God that hears our prayers and helps us when we need it.
Yet there a babies born every day with serious mental problems, full paralysis or harlequin disease (<-- VERY graphic, I am RAGING every time I see that picture. Seriously, that pic alone proves my point.). They have NO CHANCE for a normal life. All the loving, caring in the world can't help them. God could, but he doesn't do a thing for them.
If God were good, he would help them. He does not, so he is either neutral or non-existant.
To me, these facts mean only one thing. If God exists (let's assume he does), he is neutral. He is not using his powers to do good. I am not talking about giving everyone infinite money, infinite lives, infinite everything. But he should help harlequin babies at the VERY least! But he doesn't. Why should I worship someone who is not good? Just because he is powerful? Why not worship dictators then, hm? Sorry but I respect a poor/weak/powerless but good, moral man more than a very powerful being, that is NOT good.
If you can tell me how, despite these facts, God could be good, I will convert to a religion of your choice. I am being completely serious here. Yes I am an atheist, but that doesn't mean that I wouldn't be happy if there was a good, loving God out there. It would be awesome (srs).
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cheerupemokid
First, applying human morality to God is retarded. God created the game and made the rules, he's not a player in the game.
Furthermore, at one time God created a paradise for man to live in. Man violated God's rules and fell from grace. Like man, Satan also fell from grace.
From a biblical perspective, Satan runs **** down here. If you read the bible, note how Satan tempts Jesus by offering him control over the Earth through control of all the world's governments.
Now man has to earn his way into heaven. So if you were Satan and wanted to **** with man's chance at redemption and you were running things, what things might you do to **** with mans chances at redemption? You gotta overcome the bull**** to regain grace.
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This is racism. Just because two humans committed a huge sin, it is okay to punish humans that had NOTHING TO DO WITH IT? An intelligent God wouldn't be racist.
When will you learn people??
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11-28-2009, 01:25 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vorian
This is racism. Just because two humans committed a huge sin, it is okay to punish humans that had NOTHING TO DO WITH IT? An intelligent God wouldn't be racist.
When will you learn people??
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racism..?
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Quote:
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lol cbx43 this isn't a "why there is no God" argument. This alone can't prove that God doesn't exist. But it DOES prove that God is NOT good. But as I said in the OP, explain to me how could he be good despite all these facts.
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It is impossible to disprove God. The lack of evidence suggests he does NOT exist as does the lack of evidence for all imaginary ideas - Santa, unicorns, manbearpig, etc...
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Thank you for providing a link that does not answer any of the questions.
why not post cliffs of the answers here?
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u should reread the link then
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